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It's just advertising at it's core. It's a REI site and it's going to be pushed at any expense.
I mean ****, you don't see much better on the forums. There's threads daily about the nonsensical things people do to be a "REI" at the expense of their actual stress, daily lives, and families well being. There's turnkey providers with predatory 2-year balloon options on houses, one's with 50 1-3 post people show up to support them. Have you dealt with agents on this forum? Horrible and slimy, for the most part. It's just the core of this place, you need to filter through the ******** to really see the best of it. There are great people here and great sources, though.
Thank you for your response. I know there is lots of good on this site and in the various podcasts. I am just disappointed in the tone of the site. Like everything, the degree of sales vs good advice is nuance. It is clear to me that it has swung too far and the overall platform is only a shadow of its' former self.
There is no question that the reins have been taken off the mods when it comes to self Promotion
Just look at the Sub to guys virtually every post now is a picture of a spread sheet of one of their deals and of course you to could have a deal like that if you pay them 15k to teach you :) Not saying the training is not worth 15k very well could be.. but that kind of posts one after another would have never flown a few years back.
Do people read the loooonnnnggggg posts that people write? Not often.
If you can sum it up in a picture, a spreadsheet and communicate all of that information, why not do it?
And if someone can spend $15k one time and thereby save $80k mutiple times, why is that a problem? If the savings aren't there, the spreadsheet shows it, Just for an example. ;-)
I get what your saying my point is post like you guys do over and over again in years past would never have been tolerated you would have been admonished by the mods. I know when I first started and did not realize you could not self promote I got my hand slapped a few times. Thats why you dont see me posting on the open forums about my deals were we double our money in a year cash on cash.. or the one I did in Washington state this week were we turned 60k into 115k in 25 days . And its not wholesaling :) And the point of the original post was how the podcasts have changed and for sure the folks running it back then promoted BP not their personal agendas. But yet again you are able to do a nice self promote off of my mention so your welcome LOL
@Jay Hinrichs: @Chris Seveney:
I am not disputing either of you, but you both make it very clear that you lend money or have funds for investment, which presumably you charge points and interest and are self serving. You don't lend money for free. You do large projects they may be interested in investing in and you welcome people to talk to you about it. I have no problem with that. In fact I think it's a good thing.
In fact, shouldn't a place like Bigger Pockets offer resources to investors and the only practical way is to mention what you've done and what you do.
A forum that talks only about analysis paralysis gets boring pretty quickly. People come here for inspiration, help and new ideas. And Bigger Pockets is wise to loosen the reins a little bit.
Frankly, I think because of the previous restrictions, a lot of users simply left for Facebook where I find at least 23 active sites promoting real estate investing with deals included. I like Bigger Pockets and am loyal to it. But to keep the interest of those coming here, it's important to grow with the times.
Most visitors and lurkers are new to real estate, that means they don't have the experience and confidence you and I have. You lend to experienced, sophisticated investors, you make that abundantly clear, I train the new. Everybody that is experienced was once new. It's just really easy for some to forget what it took to get here.
The best tax advice, 1031 exchange, estate planning and asset protection I've encountered is right here on Bigger Pockets. Many talented professionals that answer questions. It's obvious what they do for a living, but I welcome them and I've learned a lot from them. They charge for their services, imagine that. Would you prefer to join a "communty" to learn about real estate taxes and get half of what you need and pay half price or would you take a complicated tax return to a professional and get proper advice?
