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All Forum Posts by: Mike Freske

Mike Freske has started 3 posts and replied 62 times.

Post: Options for investor: 100k

Mike FreskePosted
  • Attorney
  • Minneapolis, MN
  • Posts 62
  • Votes 36
Originally posted by @Tom Ott:
Originally posted by @Mike Freske:

Hello all,

Been lurking around the forums for a while and always love to see the advice and knowledge everyone is willing to share.

I have a "hypothetical" situation and want to get your thoughts. 

A person has 100k to work with. They can place that money in a 10% short-term 3 year note which would be secured by a SFH. Or they can look to obtain buy and hold rentals. The market in MN still seems to be fairly good. For example, a duplex built in the 1970s in a B-/C+ neighborhood, not needing much work, will sell for about 300-330k with each side renting for between $1200-1400. Obviously these aren't exact numbers, but just ballpark.

First question, and knowing the audience I think I know the answer but curious as to responses, would anyone here look to purchase the note and be satisfied with the 10% return?

Second question, more general, what type of cash on cash ROI should one be looking for if they use the 100k to buy some rentals? Knowing they can get the 10% on the note. I know lots of people talk about cash flow per door, which is good to know, but not sure it always tells the full story.

Or a third option?

Thoughts?  Thanks!

Either purchase multiple Turnkey Investments using 80% LTV or possibly invest in to a syndication deal.

Thanks, Tom. 

Turnkey is probably the way to go, but I feel I must be willing to accept some lower returns?

Post: Options for investor: 100k

Mike FreskePosted
  • Attorney
  • Minneapolis, MN
  • Posts 62
  • Votes 36
Originally posted by @Account Closed:
Originally posted by @Mike Freske:

Hello all,

Been lurking around the forums for a while and always love to see the advice and knowledge everyone is willing to share.

I have a "hypothetical" situation and want to get your thoughts. 

A person has 100k to work with. They can place that money in a 10% short-term 3 year note which would be secured by a SFH. Or they can look to obtain buy and hold rentals. The market in MN still seems to be fairly good. For example, a duplex built in the 1970s in a B-/C+ neighborhood, not needing much work, will sell for about 300-330k with each side renting for between $1200-1400. Obviously these aren't exact numbers, but just ballpark.

First question, and knowing the audience I think I know the answer but curious as to responses, would anyone here look to purchase the note and be satisfied with the 10% return?

Second question, more general, what type of cash on cash ROI should one be looking for if they use the 100k to buy some rentals? Knowing they can get the 10% on the note. I know lots of people talk about cash flow per door, which is good to know, but not sure it always tells the full story.

Or a third option?

Thoughts?  Thanks!

 I always look at total return over the life of the investment plus cash flow from day one. My approach is a little different than many as I wouldn't do a duplex, it's too risky. It simply means more toilets to worry about. Instead, I prefer a safe approach and I would buy using creative financing, sell to Tenant Buyers getting $25,000 down, cash flow $500 - $800 per month and I get the depreciation, tax write offs and principal pay down. The Tenant Buyer does all maintenance and repairs. It is a bit of an advanced technique so it requires a lengthy explanation. Too long for here so go to my Profile https://www.biggerpockets.com/users/MikeM500 and follow the link. I can help you there.

But the numbers look something like the spreadsheet at:

Average Cash Flow Per Door In Phoenix Metro Area

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/600/topics/584916-average-cash-flow-per-door-in-phoenix-metro-area

Thanks for your reply. I will follow your link..

Post: Options for investor: 100k

Mike FreskePosted
  • Attorney
  • Minneapolis, MN
  • Posts 62
  • Votes 36


Originally posted by @John Murphy:

@Mike Freske a few thoughts I will offer:

1) What are the goals of the individual investing? Do they work full time and want a passive investment but still benefit from the many perks of RE investing? Do they have some time to put in sweat equity to force a better return? Are they looking to jump off the deep end and self manage their investment property? It all starts with goals.

2) You could invest in a syndication where your COC is on par with what you described but your IRR will be 15%+ in most cases. Many are 5-7 year hold periods. Bonus - you get to learn the syndication process so long as you vet your GPs/Sponsors and invest with the good ones!

3) Just get started! Whatever path you decide to take it's important to take the first step. Try something, fail at it, learn from it, repeat. Eventually you will get to the point where you have the experience, network, and ability to do the deals you want to do.

Best of luck!

 Thanks for the thoughts, John.

Person has a 6 figure w2 job as well as a side business in that field which brings in 10-20k a year.  So, more of a passive investment - buy and hold wealth building venture.  Sweat equity for a better return is possible. Self managing the property is an option to start, but, ideally end up with a manager due to the job and side business. Can probably make more in side business than saved by self-managing. 

Post: Options for investor: 100k

Mike FreskePosted
  • Attorney
  • Minneapolis, MN
  • Posts 62
  • Votes 36

Hello all,

Been lurking around the forums for a while and always love to see the advice and knowledge everyone is willing to share.

I have a "hypothetical" situation and want to get your thoughts. 

A person has 100k to work with. They can place that money in a 10% short-term 3 year note which would be secured by a SFH. Or they can look to obtain buy and hold rentals. The market in MN still seems to be fairly good. For example, a duplex built in the 1970s in a B-/C+ neighborhood, not needing much work, will sell for about 300-330k with each side renting for between $1200-1400. Obviously these aren't exact numbers, but just ballpark.

First question, and knowing the audience I think I know the answer but curious as to responses, would anyone here look to purchase the note and be satisfied with the 10% return?

Second question, more general, what type of cash on cash ROI should one be looking for if they use the 100k to buy some rentals? Knowing they can get the 10% on the note. I know lots of people talk about cash flow per door, which is good to know, but not sure it always tells the full story.

Or a third option?

Thoughts?  Thanks!

Post: I am looking to better understand how self directed IRA works

Mike FreskePosted
  • Attorney
  • Minneapolis, MN
  • Posts 62
  • Votes 36

@Lucas Milburn

Schwab

Post: I am looking to better understand how self directed IRA works

Mike FreskePosted
  • Attorney
  • Minneapolis, MN
  • Posts 62
  • Votes 36
Originally posted by @Lucas Milburn:

I currently own 3 STR properties and am currently applying for a HELOC against one that I own outright. In addition I have heard a couple podcast on BP referencing self directed IRA's. As I look to grow and purchase more properties I plan to bring on investors and wanted to better understand the concept so that I may better explain how to do it and how it works to potential investors as a source for them to draw from. Any info or good links to resources on the matter are greatly appreciated.

Thanks

 I currently have a self-directed 401(k). My solo401k (George's company - above).  They do a a good job of helping you set it up - roughly about $750 with a $125 annual expense. I put my funds with Schwab, into a "checkbook" account.  Then you can buy assets under the 401(k) - real estate included.  The assets are subject to the same rules and restrictions as stocks purchased in a 401(k).

Post: LLC - Must have or nice to have?

Mike FreskePosted
  • Attorney
  • Minneapolis, MN
  • Posts 62
  • Votes 36

Has anyone had any issues with transferring ownership to the LLC. I'm assuming the loans are in your name?

Originally posted by @Ana Coello:

@Mike Freske look into the FannieMae HomeStyle loan

Thank you!

Post: Tenant vacated instead of getting eviction

Mike FreskePosted
  • Attorney
  • Minneapolis, MN
  • Posts 62
  • Votes 36

@Curtis Maag

What does lease say? You always have a civil claim under the terms of the contract.

Post: Investing Foreign OPM in the United States

Mike FreskePosted
  • Attorney
  • Minneapolis, MN
  • Posts 62
  • Votes 36

@Manny Alvarado

If you can pay investors 6-8% and do #3, you could obtain a fairly substantial portfolio of properties and, it seems, essentially “eliminate” one of the problems most people have; finding seed money to invest.