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All Forum Posts by: Account Closed

Account Closed has started 11 posts and replied 613 times.

Post: Help! Student Loan Debt Considered for FHA & 203k loan

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Originally posted by @Ashley Sanchez:

Recently, spoke with mortgage broke to attempt to qualify for my first MFR to 'househack'/rent.

I provided him my general background:
Have 140k student loan debt
37 k annual salary
Credit score of 700+

He said that with the new rule of considering student loan debt I would not qualify for a mortgage because of him having to consider the payment. I told him I wanted to use the FHA loan to fund a rehab property under 80k and then get a 203k loan for rehab work.

I'm truly getting discouraged because of it's not one thing it's another. If is not your DTI is too high, now it's student loan debt.

Can some advise if he is correct or if their are other loan avenues or lenders I can consider?

 A $37,000 salary and $140,000 student loan (who knows what total debt is), will very likely always cause problems due to a high debt to income ratio.

Post: What number is taxed on a financial statement?

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Originally posted by @Marc Izquierdo:

I was starting to build, edit, and run a few deals through a spreadsheet I developed.  Below is an example of the financial statement portion of the spreadsheet.  I was wondering which number the IRS uses to determine your taxes at the end of the year...

Clarify a few things. Are expenses during the year for the duplex allocated between all units including the owner occupied unit? That would be an IRS requirement. Are you also stating that the owner occupied unit contributes to generated income? What percentage of both income and expenses are attributed to the owner occupied unit and how does it affect the numbers on the excel file?

Post: Student Loan Debt - Enough to Buy a House!

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Originally posted by @Daniel Ortiz:

@Account Closed - With only a few quarters left after paying the student loan bills, I'm headed down a path to see how I can earn additional alternate income to try and attack the loans more aggressively. My aggressive approach though, is where real estate investing comes in. Goal is to leverage that as a way to attack the loans.

@Marcus Johnson - I admire your drive and focus to buckle down and grind through the $28k in loans.

If you have not already, you benefit from developing a personal budget to have an intrinsic understanding of what all your personal liabilities are, what you should be making and what your savings and investment requirement should be, in an environment where the future of social security and it solvency is suspect. 

I have heard some real horror stories where they do not wait on you to send student loan payments but have the ability to get at your paycheck as if they were making some sort of a FICA or medicare tax deduction -- before you even see your check. 

If you have  considerable personal debt, credit cards etc., and owe anything in the $100,000 range on student loans, at the recent 6.8% rate and 10 year term, the student loan payment alone would be somewhere in the $1152.86 range per month. When you factor in other obligations, your debt to income ratio at a personal level may affect your ability to make substantial or meaningful investments that rely on your personal credit.

About real estate investment strategy, the margins on a rental business model can be thin at times (there may be a few exception to this), unless you invest in a market where that is being offset by rapid growth in the value of the property. 

An aggressive strategy would be something along the lines of rehabbing and flipping.

Post: Student Loan Debt - Enough to Buy a House!

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Originally posted by @Marcus Johnson:

I had $28,000 in student loans and I got three jobs and I work really hard to pay those off along with my wife. Once we pay those off which only took five years we started saving money because we have no debt except our primary mortgage. When you minimize your debt you have more income to save with and invest. Plus borrowers would rather land to someone with a loan debt to income ratio.

 $28,000? The monthly payments on that would certainly be manageable. It is not unusual for grad students for instance to have student loans in the $100,000+ range. At a 10 year term and 6.8% interest, that can sting a bit. 

Until I reread your post, I thought you said you had to get three kids along with the wife to help work on paying down the loan. I'm thinking, good gracious! What is the pay rate in Minnesota?

Post: Two weeks in & already problems

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Originally posted by @Samantha Klein:

I just bought a 4/1 single family house last month, rehabbed and put tenants in. The tenants looked good on paper, made 3x the rent ect so they screened well. They moved in April 23rd and I receive a text this morning that the husband has cheated and left the wife and the wife doesn't know what she's going to do. These tenants have been married for 15 years with 4 kids together, and the husband has the better paying job. The rent for May has been paid. I just spoke with the wife in person but she's very emotional so I didn't want to push anything or make suggestions at this time. I signed them to a M2M lease, what should be my next move? She said she will keep me updated and find a way to pay the rent and utilities as I believe the husband is still going to help. Should I just leave it up to them to figure it out?

On a yearly basis you want to plan for, allocate resources, should there be a disruption of this sort. This is an inherent risk with the rental business model. Disruptions in the tenant's life may often also mean disruptions to your cash flow. Life happens.

Post: Looking to get financials from potential seller....

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Originally posted by @Chris Luksha:.
..I have been given jpegs of a quicken rental manager report, but it could be rigged in oh so many ways.  I only question it because his claims are a bit too high to be realistic unless he was a poor manager of the property, in which case I don't want it.  No matter how I run the numbers, I can only cash flow half of what he is claiming

Anyway - does anyone out there use Quicken rental property manager and know what I can tell him to get me the info I need from the system? I don't want an accountant's copy because it will probably have all his personal finances as well and he would be crazy to offer it up like that....


If the seller's intent was to give you bogus financial data, they could and would do so in many ways regardless of what file you told them to print out. This is why when buying a business for instance you rely on audited financial statements because someone typically goes to jail or looses a license for knowingly providing false information. If the seller is serious about selling, it is in their interest to provide the necessary financials. How they keep records may vary (if they formally do so at all) but they could produce standard financial statements from which you can make a decision on. Misrepresenting or using fraudulent cooked up documents to induce a contract is a serious prosecutable offense and definitely basis for voiding a contract at the very least. 

Post: Student Loan Debt - Enough to Buy a House!

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Originally posted by @Daniel Ortiz:

Hey Everyone, 

It's no secret that Americans owe over $1 trillion in student loan debt, spreading out over millions of borrows. I'm curious to hear how other successful real estate investors who were once faced with the same challenge were able to overcome the massive debt barrier?

Looking forward to the responses!

Dan

Student loans can get  you on the ropes. Depending on where you live and student loan debt principal balance, it may even be the equivalent of a few mortgages and can be significant. If you plan on maintaining traditional employment for a while, it definitely affects what jobs you go after (pay rate), if you plan on having any quarters left after paying student loan bill. Definitely want to look into ways of earning additional alternate income if you plan on aggressively attacking it.

Post: Which cities in the US have the best rental properties?

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Originally posted by @Dan G.:

Hello, 

My name is Dan and I'm new to Bigger Pockets and to real estate investing. There aren't many great deals in my area so I'm thinking about investing out-of-state and using a property manager. Where in the US can I get the highest possible cap rates for single family homes (preferably 3/2/2) without having to buy in bad neighborhoods that would have a lot of evictions/vacancies and other headaches?...Dan

What  is your investment budget? That sort of dictates both where (location) and what price range you invest/play in. Also housing price growth is not always speculation in some areas but rather a driven by demand and supply of inventory in that particular area.

Post: Employee Vs Self Employed

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Originally posted by @Rich Hupper:

@Account Closed I agree with you about the earnings potential. Would you say this is correct: The more self employed people pay in taxes the more financing they will qualify for? I have heard other people say on this board you need to pay to play. Is this what they mean by that?

Not exactly. Usually the more you pay in taxes, the lower the net income which affects growth of retained earnings. There isn't a direct correlation between taxes paid per year and qualification for financing. Perhaps you meant the longer you have been self employed or in business, have an operating history that demonstrates consistent earnings, the less perceived risk and hence lower lending rate or increased lending amount?  At a certain level it is about cash flow and quality of earnings.  Although the lower your taxes the better, it doesn't mean not to look into self employment simply because of a higher total tax from running a business compared to traditional employment.

Post: Employee Vs Self Employed

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Originally posted by :

@Account Closed that is an interesting fact. Thank you

I actually thought this was a rhetorical question but wage levels across the country is too low not to explore alternative earning channels from traditional employment sources. Census data suggest 2015 median household income in the United States was about $56,000. Now that is household income which means just that - the total household income; which in some cases mean a combined wage of some sort for households with couples. This in part is what fueled the last housing crisis... banks had to get creative in order to make the numbers even make any kind of sense. Try to get a mortgage in San Francisco with a $56,000 income. You typically don't restrict your earnings potential because you don't want to pay more in taxes.