All Forum Posts by: Michael Seeker

@Eric Graig - that's a great question!  What jumps out right away is that as a lender you do not get to take advantage of many of the bigger benefits of being a direct investor.  Appreciation, amortization and depreciation all come to mind.  I don't know anything about online lending pools, but your returns are probably going to be tied to the risk of the deals the money goes into.  If the funds are going into riskier development projects you might get 10%+, but if/when the market turns these will be the most likely to default.  If funds are going into passive deals, then you're probably looking at low/mid-single digits (unless borrower/deal is questionable) which isn't anything to get excited about.

Have you considered partnering with somebody who operates and a more favorable market or looking at being a passive investor in syndications?

We've got landlordlocks on all of our almost 100 units (probably 200+ locks/handles) and wouldn't go any other way.  The keyless thing is too expensive and prone to battery issues.  The smart key setups are OK, but as far as I know doesn't give you the option of having a master key.  This is fine for a couple units, but if you have any plans to scale, you need a solution that has a master key.

Whatever is lost in a few extra dollars for LLL solution is made up many times over by:

1. The time/hassle saved by having a single master key that gets us into every door on our properties <- I can't stress this enough

2. LLL keeps your order history and can look up anything you may need and resend keys/locks if needed

3. They mail to you and everything can be easily self-installed

They're also a great company and great people to work with.  Their website does suck, but we always call in orders which is easy.

@Ryan Schuler, I have not used Rently nor explored any self-showing solutions.  We had a property next to one of ours years ago that did self-showings through the PM company.  The prospective tenant had to leave their Driver's License with the PM co and were given a key to walk the property on their own.

My thoughts on it: while this is a way to streamline your showings it's also a great way to end up with higher vacancy rates.  It's also not at all feasible to do this with an occupied unit.  We list and show the majority of our apartments while the tenants who are moving out still reside in them.  Most of our leases on stabilized apartments start within 5 days of the previous lease ending.  Doing automated showings will guarantee some vacancy as you have to wait until the tenant moves out to even start showing/marketing.  You also are more likely to end up with a tenant who is ready to move in right away which tends to mean they are bad at planning and probably more likely to run into issues paying rent on time.

On top of all that, prospective tenants have a lot of questions and like to hear about what updates have been made to the property.  If there is nobody there to walk them through, then it's a very impersonal experience which could easily be the difference between a great prospect renting your listing vs. something else that may be an inferior property but leaves them with a better feeling.

@Rick DiChristofaro - something like this could only be done market by market.  Is there a specific market you're looking for?

@Account Closed - there are dozens of online PM software options with varying costs and features.  We reviewed several of these about 6 months ago and our top picks were:

Tenant Cloud
Good format, mobile app seems to work OK, free or almost free for small number of units

Rentec Direct
Reasonably priced, functional, looks and feels like it was developed in 2000 but everything works

We tested out both of these and ended up opting for a custom solution.  If we did not have the drive/resources to do so, we would have gone with Tenant Cloud.

@Abdessettar Ibourki, my first property was the same way and we eventually moved to mailing to a PO Box.  That was better but problematic for different reasons.  We then moved to a combination of various free payment sources such as PayPal (must stipulate the free option), Venmo, Square Cash and a couple others that never really got used.  These are free but do require you to "cash out" which can take a week or longer in some cases.  There are some services that will allow you to set up rent collection for a $1-$3 fee per transaction.

@Edward Carr - I've never heard of anything like this.  If by "lender" you mean private debt/equity, then sure that makes sense.  If by "lender" you mean a bank, then no way.

In my experience, when we find a deal to pursue, we lock it up with a contract and then start calling lenders - not the other way around.  So my advice would be to put a property under contract, include a financing contingency if possible, then start contacting lenders.

It's a seller's market pretty much everywhere, so not at all surprising that a deal has gone under contract while you were going back and forth with a lender. 

 We use our banks Bill Pay feature which allows us to specify recurring payments for a recipient, amount and mailing address.

You should not need to rely on or worry about the status of these programs in 40 years.  Even if you never buy another property and just slowly pay down your existing debt (or not) the benefits of rental appreciation alone will take care of you.  

That being said, I would be very surprised if the benefit structure and age requirements for both programs don't change multiple times over the next 40 years.  They are not sustainable as they are today, by 40 years out who knows what might exist.

Regarding the possibility of setting up a PM company to separate income sources, you may need to look into legality of that.  I know in my primary market you're required to have a brokers license to operate a PM company.  We are allowed to self-manage because we are operating property that we own.  If you split the PM out into another company, you will likely need to treat it as a completely separate entity and jump through whatever hoops are required in your area for that.  I've considered this a couple times throughout the years, but have never found it to be advantageous.

@Brian Babbage - my understanding is that if you roll your Roth 401k into a Roth IRA after leaving, you can withdraw the contributions without any taxes/penalties.

Where are you getting a 10% penalty?

I'm with you on investing in RE over the stock market if you have the deals available to do so.  Even if you have no cashflow and just pay down an 80% loan you'll get 10%+ returns with the added benefit of "losses" on your taxes.

If the deals are there and this is your best source of cash, I'd say the 10% penalty (if there is one) shouldn't be a barrier at all.