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All Forum Posts by: Matt Ward

Matt Ward has started 5 posts and replied 213 times.

Post: Bad News for Buy and Hold Residential Investors

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@John Hyre thanks for your time spent on this, hopefully this provides the necessary perspective and basis for others who read it.  I agree completely.  Treating RE as not a TB based on these newly proposed guidelines would be a bit short sighted in my mind.

Post: The New 20% Pass-Through Deduction and You

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As you know, these cordial debates are invaluable to tax pros because the Code is law, and the law can be (in some cases) interpreted many different ways.  My point has/is/and will be that this is such a grey area (as to whether or not 199A will be inclusive of rental real estate), and that each practitioner will have his/her interpretation of this because, ESPECIALLY now based off the proposed guidelines, the IRS is deferring to IRC162 to define a TB. 

This is not different than how it was before the TCJA came out, as in many instances a TB was undefined but reference to IRC162 was advised.  

So if a practitioner was conservative in his/her approach to rentals as a business before TCJA, then continue on.  There are those that practiced more aggressively, and a whole bunch in between.

To my point above, which has/is/and will be (until clear guidance is given) is that it's inappropriate for us tax professionals to draw a line in the sand say "this is how the law is written, it's clear" and because of this "x, y, & z types of properties or situations will not get the QBI".  This is a grey area and tax pros, as well as their clients, have options that should be entertained based off of everyone's risk tolerance and individual tax positions.

There is no black and white here.  No "yes" and "no" when it comes to properties, types or numbers, etc. 

Post: Bad News for Buy and Hold Residential Investors

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One argument would be because the tax payer is involved continuously and regularly and with the intent of making a profit.  This is the supreme courts interpretation of 162.

Post: The New 20% Pass-Through Deduction and You

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What is 162’s clear definition of a TB?  My understanding is that there isn’t one... so the fact they use 162 doesn’t make me feel like we’re any closer to a definition...

Post: Bad News for Buy and Hold Residential Investors

Matt WardPosted
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@John Hyre very well said, again.  Completely agree.

Post: Looking for a CPA...

Matt WardPosted
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Originally posted by @Caleb Heimsoth:
Originally posted by @Matt Ward:

I agree with what @Michael Plaks @Nicholas Aiola & @Natalie Kolodij have already said.  RE CPAs for the most part bill by fee and not by hour anymore.  Value is the key... whether you are not getting value or you think you are not is a different story - in which case getting a second opinion couldn't hurt.

@Benjamin O'Brien $3,800 for 14 properties doesn't sound outrageous.... but if you aren't able to speak with him/her frequently on planning matters or general inquiries, etc., the relationship should also reflect the fee.  $1,200 for a 1040 with some complications also doesn't make me blink twice... but again, the relationship is a big proponent on your end to feeling the value.  Up to you.  Happy to give it a glance if you like - we're a boutique RE CPA firm in NorCal.

@Caleb Heimsoth $600 for a return w/multiple rentals?? I would be very concerned about the accuracy of those returns, both from an exposure standpoint as well as missed deductions and planning opportunities.  I know you'll say this is an unbiased opinion, but I'm speaking as truthfully as I can.

That's what most people say when I tell them this. I haven't been audited yet but if I ever am I will let you know. I read and educate myself about most REI tax deductions enough to know the basics and I'm pretty aggressive I'm deducting (like deducting half my cell phone bill) so I don't think I'm missing any strategies really, but if I am I'm okay with that for the price I pay.

To be fair he even acknowledged I got a good deal so I'm pretty sure it's under market, and that's fine with me. I'm also just as positive that 3800 is above market. They're not a REI specific firm either so that may also explain part of it.

The REI firms I've talked to charge outrageous amounts and that's fine but it's not for me. I know people with far more complicated taxes then me who have done it themselves for 25 years and been fine. This is probably a middle ground between doing it myself and paying a REI professional.

 Fair enough, well said.  Again back to value, you think you're getting it (which you are).  Whether you are taking advantage of everything, and shielding yourself from everything, is another story... but to your point, you're ok with that.  Most folks who come to us are not ok with that risk given the amount of zeros that are at stake.  Glad you have found a good provider though, stay with him!

Post: Looking for a CPA...

Matt WardPosted
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I agree with what @Michael Plaks @Nicholas Aiola & @Natalie Kolodij have already said.  RE CPAs for the most part bill by fee and not by hour anymore.  Value is the key... whether you are not getting value or you think you are not is a different story - in which case getting a second opinion couldn't hurt.

@Benjamin O'Brien $3,800 for 14 properties doesn't sound outrageous.... but if you aren't able to speak with him/her frequently on planning matters or general inquiries, etc., the relationship should also reflect the fee.  $1,200 for a 1040 with some complications also doesn't make me blink twice... but again, the relationship is a big proponent on your end to feeling the value.  Up to you.  Happy to give it a glance if you like - we're a boutique RE CPA firm in NorCal.

@Caleb Heimsoth $600 for a return w/multiple rentals?? I would be very concerned about the accuracy of those returns, both from an exposure standpoint as well as missed deductions and planning opportunities.  I know you'll say this is a biased opinion, but I'm speaking as truthfully as I can.

Post: The New 20% Pass-Through Deduction and You

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@Michael Plaks I wasn't aware there was definitely going to be a new Schedule E - learn something new every day!  I do agree with you - probably not.  That would require them to define a TB!!

Post: The New 20% Pass-Through Deduction and You

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Excellent perspective here from @john hyre

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/51/topics/601099-bad-news-for-buy-and-hold-residential-investors?page=2

Post: Bad News for Buy and Hold Residential Investors

Matt WardPosted
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@John Hyre I totally agree.  I think some folks here jumped to rash conclusions for some reason by saying that rentals are a no go, plain and simple..... when is anything plain and simple?