All Forum Posts by: Masa Don
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Post: The Magic of Leverage

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Thought this might be a good topic in these declining times. . .
The question is how much of your real estate investments should be leveraged?
Post: Help me understand this deal and 50%, 2% rule

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Meaning red hot and ready for investors to snag up all the good deals, good and bad, bad being I don't have enough hours in teh day to reasearch all the deals!!!!!
Post: Help me understand this deal and 50%, 2% rule

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- Greenwood Village, CO
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Thanks Jon I really appreciate it! And I agree I think the Denver area is on fire right now! We didn't take that huge movement like California but we still got hit which puts a bunch of properties in positive cash flow! And like you I am long term as well, I have not taken any cash from the property yet, nor do I plan on it.
My plans are to keep my real estate completely separate from everything else that I do, so therefore any dollars in go right back to the biz.
My investment strategy is to put what ever money I can personally into new units but then the goal is to never put money in again for that particular unit. So one day I am hoping that I will no longer have to put personal funds into my real estate account and I will be able to simply watch the well oiled machine do its thing.
Do you think this is a profitable strategy given the Denver Market?
Post: Help me understand this deal and 50%, 2% rule

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- Greenwood Village, CO
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Originally posted by Jon Holdman:
The 2% rule (rent must be 2% of the purchase price) has several assumptions. One is that it tries to get $100 per unit. It assumes SFR type financing (e.g., 30 year note, not 20 year.) For a 30 year, 6%, 100% note, it is exact for a $25,000 unit that rents for $500/month. Expense are $250/month, payment is $150/month, leaving you $100 cash flow. At 7% loan rate, it works for a $30,000 unit that rents for $600/month.
With a 7%, 30 year loan, for a $100,000 house, you only need $1525/month in rent to get the same $100 in cash flow. That's 1.53%.
If you go to cheaper units and lower rents, you need more than 2% to get the same $100. Your rents average $412. Take out 50% for expenses, and you're left with only $206/month NOI. If you want $100 for cash flow, that leaves only $106 for debt service. That will cover about $16,000. That's a rent percentage of almost 2.6%. At 8% and 20 years, you can only cover about $13,000.
Jon! I know you wrote this a while ago but I was researching this 50 2 thing and you just clarified it! Thank you, and just to make sure I am understanding I have a duplex 130K purchase price, loan $800 including insurance and pmi ect. in payments, I get about $1600 rent right now (I know it is not ideal because I am not getting the $100 per door but thus far the place has treated me decently) So I make the 50% rule but not the 2% because I am able to get 50% toward expenses, but not the $200 cash flow in the door. Am I correct on these assumptions?
Here is my question and I think you have posted this before, but if I am doing all of my own repair work then we are closer to 40% or so, and then this IS a positive cash flow property. Granted it still puts me only at the $160 but for my first true real estate investment this is decent?
Post: 8 plex . . . ideas?

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- Greenwood Village, CO
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Ok so lets say that this particular place is a D in all aspects except location I would put it at a B- C+ somewhere in there, and lets change the rent as Jon said to $500 including fix up what would be a good offer?
I guess my main concern on this place is that they have all the same utilities meaning that the landlord will have to pay ALL utilities (unless there is a way around this?). What type of liability is that? I am thinking with these volatile times utilities could be a huge damper on profits! What do you guys think?
Post: 8 plex . . . ideas?

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It is in the denver area, but in aurora, I figured low because I don't like to over estimate.
Post: B2 Zoning 5 Unit Decent Price

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I have stumbled across a place a guy is selling it is B2 zoned, 5 units for 200K, residental rents should pull about 500 ish per unit, what are the oppourtunites for utalizing the comercial side of this? If this is a good deal how do you go about converting to comerical (at least appealing to comercial) and advertising? The leasing I am sure is quite different. . . thoughts?
Post: 8 plex . . . ideas?

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Yea, I was thinking they were really high on the price, it isn't quite gang land but it is ghettos, the upside to it which I don't think comes close to the downside is the growth potential. But thanks for the figures guys!!!
Post: 8 plex . . . ideas?

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1b/1b units 8 of them, not great shape not great area, 300K, rent will pull in $350/unit but all utilities are on one meter, there are currently only 2 units rented, like I said not a great area. I know there is a lot more to look at but what would you say is a reasonable offer? Clearly NOT 300! How would you present the offer? with numbers explaing or simply offer and assume they have to understand they are asking way too much?
Post: thoughts on including utilities vs not

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TV, concering, wireless internet . . . cake walk, your only worry would be the tenants taking away your bandwidth, but if it brings in a few more bucks you can always pay a few more bucks for more bandwidth.