Quote from @Darrin Carey:
As a private lender, I'm suddenly getting a lot of requests for three things that concern me.
1. Lending the Downpayment (behind another hard money lender)
2. Lending all the borrowers closing costs
3. Lending funds for putting up earnest money
Personally, I think putting up money for those items as a lender is EXTREMELY HIGH RISK. Out of 500+ loans I've done, only a very few have had problems.
Every one that had a problem had one common feature, the borrower had little to none of their own money in the deal. (Early ones, I didn't know better. The couple recent ones, the borrowers lied about it, and I found out later. Those borrowers made the forever banned list. Not because the deal went bad, but because they lied about the source of funds, and ghosted everyone went the rehab got hard)
Is there someone out there teaching this as a strategy to borrowers and potential lenders?
Are people really making these loans? AND getting paid back?
Am I missing something here?
Darrin Carey
This has been why I've been bussing my *** in wholesaling to have anywhere between 30-100k liquid to have skin in the game, got tired of being told that lol. Because I do watch and listen to those IG videos telling you how you can invest with 0 money, it's very enticing for someone without the experience of structuring deals and buying real estate. When I tried to do this by calling multiple lenders, they told me I needed to have skin in the game.
For the person who says people are broke and trying to get rich quickly, that's pretty broad because being broke is perspective. I want to do my first flip and acquire my first Multi this year; if the deal makes sense and everybody makes their money, and it's a win-win situation, why does having skin in the game matter? I'm ignorant and biased, but don't hard money lenders run numbers to ensure it's a good deal anyways; if the rehab, purchase, closing cost of purchase, and closing cost of the sell; fit within the numbers and we all win and we all take into account anything that might go wrong, ultimately why does it really matter?
Should it not be case by case, we make the rules at the end of the day; who says you do have to have skin in the game, I truly find it silly, but again I have no experience, so I could be speaking out of emotion and not truly understand what goes into structuring deals.
I get that one person out of the whole thing has no risk at all by having 0 money but what if they can use their house as collateral or something of great value, they are also making the least and want their first property to get started. I understand both sides, to be honest. I wouldn't care to fund someone's deals if I made my money and they would get their first rental or their first flip. That being said it has to be an amazing deal.
The person who says you have to have skin in the game is almost like the type of person that made it to the top by grinding and figuring it out, so now they are not going to help you out and make it easy for you. Not to name-drop, but Social media gurus like Pace Morby make it sound super easy and teach you to go after deals that will have you have 0 to nothing in the agreement. So if there's a bone to pick, it's with him lol from what I can understand, he is the driver behind sub to deals, 0 finance deals, Allegator method, and a whole bunch more.
By the way @Darrin Carey my goal is to work with you on my first deal when I have skin in the game because I do know it's important to have for many private and hard money lenders. Hopefully I can learn from you as well