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All Forum Posts by: Sammy Lyon

Sammy Lyon has started 13 posts and replied 186 times.

Post: Why would a seller pay a buyer’s agent??

Sammy LyonPosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 192
  • Votes 345
Quote from @Mark Faulkner:

 Nice! Well if you ever have any sellers that plan to move to Georgia, let me know! I know there has been some movement to GA from CA recently. 

For sure! 

Post: Why would a seller pay a buyer’s agent??

Sammy LyonPosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 192
  • Votes 345
Quote from @Mark Faulkner:

Very well explained!

Although we don't work with the higher numbers on average here in Atlanta, I certainly have had good luck with negotiating. If an agent really takes the time to understand what's benefiting the client, it's more straightforward. 


 I do my fair share of $300k-$700k sales here in Los Angeles don't get me wrong, but my easy math brain loves using the even numbers for examples! :)  

So far, I've had no trouble explaining the benefits to a seller, and negotiating seller payment to buyer broker for a buyer. Fingers crossed it stays that way!

Post: New to Real Estate Investing - Looking to build cash flow and generational wealth.

Sammy LyonPosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 192
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Quote from @Marcy Pettitt:

Hello All - so nice to join this group of seasoned investors. Looking to absorb at least a small part of your knowledge. Thank you in advance for your willingness to share your experience and lessons.

 woohoo @Marcy Pettitt! Where are you planning to invest?

Post: Why would a seller pay a buyer’s agent??

Sammy LyonPosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 192
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Quote from @Christopher Robert Noland:

To sell it. Bc buyers can request to skip properties that don’t offer it. 


 simple and to the point! lol

Post: Why would a seller pay a buyer’s agent??

Sammy LyonPosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 192
  • Votes 345
Quote from @Malcomb Stapel:

@Sammy Lyon most of the folks on this forum are probably thinking right along the same lines. It just comes down to what is going to be the most attractive presentation of the property and terms. This may be how the new legislation was spun up in the media, but the reality will be different. Somebody will figure out a creative way to work it into a deal though. 


 I've started presenting offers to sellers showing them the net of the offer minus credits/concessions so they can see the full picture, and not just focus on a percentage point.

Post: Why would a seller pay a buyer’s agent??

Sammy LyonPosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 192
  • Votes 345
Quote from @Rick Albert:

It is also a great negotiation tool.

I just recently sold a property for a client and the buyer's agent wanted 3% even though we were going to counter at 2.5%. She said go ahead and raise the price. The difference would have been around $3K-$4K (because all costs go up when you raise the price). So we countered at $10K over the list price and the Buyer took it. Basically my Seller just needed $6K more because a Buyer's Agent wanted to get paid an extra $2K. 

This is why who you work with matters. I just did an exceptional job for my Seller and got her more money with the Buyer had agents who did her a disservice and she paid more for it.


 Damn, wait just so I understand -- Buyer's agent stuck with 3% and buyer paid $10k more to cover that. Plus more went to seller. I guess you guys were going to counter back anyway. On the buy side I have been writing 2.5% on the seller concession to buyer broker, and haven't been countered yet.

Post: Why would a seller pay a buyer’s agent??

Sammy LyonPosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 192
  • Votes 345

I've been thinking about this one a lot as a realtor having to have these convos with my clients, and wanted to break it down with some simple numbers.

You may have heard about the new law changes in the real estate industry about commissions and compensation.

Some home sellers might be asking, “why would I want to pay a buyer’s agent??”

Well, here’s my simple answer - you can net more money if you do!

Sounds contradictory, but this is how that works. (Hint: it has to do with how "leverage" works in real estate!)

Let’s say you are selling your house. Let’s use a $1M sale price, for easy numbers.

The buyer plans to put 20% down to buy your home. That’s $200,000 for down payment.

Pretend there are no closing costs, etc, so they just have the $200k that they’ve been eagerly saving for years to buy their $1M house.

This is their leverage (the beauty of real estate!) - with only $200k, they can buy a $1M house because they can borrow the rest from the bank.

Let’s say the buyer’s agent is asking for 2.5% of the sale price. That’s $25,000 in buyer agent compensation.

Now, if you the Seller pay the buyer’s agent, you will net $975k.

($1,000,000 - $25,000 = $975,000)

As a seller you probably have a listing agent to pay too on top of your transfer taxes, closing costs, etc, so the net is less than that obviously, but we are just focusing on the buyer agent compensation piece of it right now for easy numbers!

But if you DON’T pay the buyer agent, the Buyer has to pay them.

So now instead of $200k to put down on your house, the buyer only has $175k left for down payment.

($200,000 - $25,000 = $175,000)

Guess, what – now the buyer who was going to pay you $1M for your house can only pay you $875k, since they had to pay out of pocket for their buyer’s agent.

Why? With $175k, their buying power is now only $875,000 with 20% down.

($175,000 / 20% = $875,000)

Of course, the buyer can put less than 20% down and pay private mortgage insurance, but let’s say they really want to put 20% down.

As a seller, you have now reduced the pool of buyers who can pay $1M for your home since the buyer needs to save more money to reach a $1M purchase price.

So, would you rather make $875k and “save” money on commission, or make $975k and just pay their agent?

Up to you! :)

What do you think of this logic...?

Post: New Laws for Flippers in California

Sammy LyonPosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 192
  • Votes 345
Quote from @Andres Murillo:
Quote from @Sammy Lyon:

There are new laws affecting California transactions in 2024, some of which are very relevant to investors and house flippers.

According to the California Association of Realtors, starting July 1, 2024 most 1-4 unit properties that are resold within 18 months (aka flips) must disclose:

- repairs, renovations, room additions and structural modifications that were performed by a contractor with whom the seller entered into a contract

- the name and any contact info for the contractor for any work over $500

- any permits obtained

So you still can be an HGTV star, just make sure you do it by the book. :)

Have any of you flipping in the Los Angeles area been affected by these new disclosures?

It hasn't come up for me on a transaction yet and I'm curious how it's playing out in practice!

For more info, check out the law itself AB968: https://legiscan.com/CA/text/AB968/id/2764362

https://www.car.org/riskmanagement/qa/New-Laws/2024-New-Laws


All of the "owner-builder" folks that would get permits for work and then hire unlicensed, uninsured, discount companies to do the work for as cheap as possible will pivot. 

As a GC and investor - I've seen plenty of crappy work done on flips. Hopefully, this solves it. 

But the cynical side of my brain knows the worst flippers out there will find a workaround for it and continue delivering low-quality flips to unsuspecting buyers. 


 Because technically if you do the work yourself, you are not "hiring a contractor" so I wonder if that gets you around it. 

I've seen some super bad flips. Often they are by realtors who are bragging on IG about how many flips they've done this year. I don't see how they get away with it but maybe some buyer's agents are not helping their buyers with due diligence and inspections??

Have you had to fill out the new disclosures on your jobs?

Post: New Laws for Flippers in California

Sammy LyonPosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 192
  • Votes 345
Quote from @Jason Taken:

This isn't really that earth shattering, just kind of annoying.

The title insurer will usually require the scope of work and any lien waivers to issue certain endorsements required by lenders for recently rehabbed/constructed properties.

Permits are all public record anyway - and often double checked by the appraiser.

So - while it is kind of annoying, a lot of this work is already required to complete the transaction anyway.

Just my thoughts.


 In Los Angeles at least I see a lot of flips with no permits. I mean, it's fine I guess, disclosed, but pretty common.

I think what might be different is having to provide the name of the contractor?

Wow, sounds like things are already a lot more regulated where you are in Chicago.

Post: Is it a good time to buy?

Sammy LyonPosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 192
  • Votes 345
Quote from @Karl B.:

Back in April of 2012 when I was looking to buy a house in Los Angeles I seriously met with a realtor and she told me I should wait because she thought the market would drop further. I looked at her like she was stupid and found another realtor who also kind of sucked. Finally I found my Los Angeles realtor (third time's the charm) who was and is an all-star and she also sold my house for me in late-2020 when I left California. 

If the numbers make sense it's a good time to buy. Like Brandon once said, "Make your own deal." Also, the more ways you know how to buy, the better. I just won my first tax sale property and if all goes well (AKA the judge reviews the property and approves everything) I will likely go down the tax sale rabbithole as the property I bought was pennies on the dollar (hopefully noone broke in and stole the copper plumbing lol)


 Wow that's awesome - I've never heard a realtor say "wait" haha. Good thing you didn't.

You make a really good point - there's not just one way to buy. Everything is talking about the regular "get a mortgage buy a house wait for market to drop wait for rates to go down" which is totally fine and normal (and mostly how I make money as a realtor) but there are way more ways to buy than just that route!!