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All Forum Posts by: Lindel Smith

Lindel Smith has started 1 posts and replied 31 times.

Post: Insurance on FLIPS

Lindel SmithPosted
  • Insurance Agent
  • Indianapolis, IN
  • Posts 38
  • Votes 16

There are a few carriers that will do vacant fix and flip properties that are 1-4 units on a dwelling fire policy that is not subject to a minimum earned premium, so if you get done with your flip in 3 months or 6 months, then you can cancel, receive a pro-rated refund, and not have to worry about that minimum earned premium. You insure for purchase price plus estimated renovation costs, and the carriers want to know scope of work and that its being done by licensed contractors and its good to go. 

Post: Insuring my rentals. ACV vs RCV & $5k vs $10k deductible. What would you do?

Lindel SmithPosted
  • Insurance Agent
  • Indianapolis, IN
  • Posts 38
  • Votes 16

Agreed value or RCV....never ACV...Not every carrier offers agreed value, but the ones that do essentially allow you to insure the property for market value. If you know you're not going to rebuild in the event of a total loss situation, you can just take your equity and walk with agreed value. Its nice for RE investors who are buying properties where the market value is significantly less than the replacement cost and most carriers that offer agreed value will still do replacement cost on partial losses. 

Post: Received my 1st rent ever along with a service request

Lindel SmithPosted
  • Insurance Agent
  • Indianapolis, IN
  • Posts 38
  • Votes 16

I hate to tell you this the first month of owning your rental property, but you'll want to have that attic thoroughly inspected. I'm talking every nook and cranny. You'll want to look for raccoon urine and feces. If there is any signs of urine or feces, I'd recommend tearing out the insulation, applying anti-microbial, and replacing the insulation. I'd double check your insurance policy to see if raccoon damage is covered. If not, you'll have to pay out of pocket. But I would not risk your tenants living in a home potentially with raccoon urine and feces growing diseases in the attic whatsoever. When you're looking over your insurance policy, I'd double check your liability limits as well. If your tenants become ill, that could lead to a costly lawsuit. 

Post: Picking insurance from 2 options for my first rental property

Lindel SmithPosted
  • Insurance Agent
  • Indianapolis, IN
  • Posts 38
  • Votes 16

@Ric Ernst In Indiana, Travelers version of a DP3 is an endorsement you add to their policy called "Special Form coverage". Their standard Landlord Home policy comes with Broad Form coverage or what would be known as a DP2, and it also comes with Replacement Cost on the dwelling. I don't believe Travelers even offers an "Actual Cash Value" endorsement. I couldn't tell without looking at the quote, but I'd imagine those quotes are for Special Form coverage with Replacement Cost loss settlement or what would be known as DP3. It costs next to nothing to add the "Special Form coverage" endorsement to a Travelers landlord policy, which essentially just upgrades it from DP2 to DP3. 

@Harvey Levin  Those dwelling limits for both Travelers and Auto-Owners are likely 100% of their underwriting system's estimated replacement cost calculation for the property. I know with Travelers on their personal line policies, such as homeowners and landlord home, their underwriting system won't allow me to bind a policy unless the dwelling is insured for 100% of the estimated replacement cost. Also, I used to work in Shelter's Indianapolis claims department. I hope I wasn't the adjuster that had to be the bad news bear. That is why I'm a broker/agent now! lol It is much easier to educate clients on the front end as the agent instead of after a claim as the adjuster. 

Post: Banks/CUs in northern Indiana that can refi a cash purchase?

Lindel SmithPosted
  • Insurance Agent
  • Indianapolis, IN
  • Posts 38
  • Votes 16

My partner is an assistant for the top loan officer at MJW Financial (mortgage broker/lender). I've talked to her about this in the past because I've been interested in doing something pretty similar as well. I can't remember exactly, but there were some time and LTV regulations as far as refinancing soon after purchase. If you'd like her loan officer's contact info, he could possibly help you or point you in the right direction. Feel free to reach out.

Post: Picking insurance from 2 options for my first rental property

Lindel SmithPosted
  • Insurance Agent
  • Indianapolis, IN
  • Posts 38
  • Votes 16

Hey @Kunal Lakhwani! I'm a broker in the Indianapolis area and represent Travelers. The dwelling limits are determined by a replacement cost estimator ran on each company's underwriting system. Auto-Owners is estimating it will cost $163k to replace, and Travelers is estimating it will cost $144k. If you think Travelers dwelling limit is low, you can insure it for more, but you are not guaranteed it if the house completely burns down. 

In a worst case scenario, if the house burns down, a claims adjuster and/or a contractor is going to write a complete itemized estimate to rebuild the house with like, kind, and quality materials. If the adjuster or contractor's estimate is $150k, Travelers is only going to pay $144k, and Auto-Owners is only going to pay $150k. In this scenario, you didn't pay for enough insurance with Travelers, and you overpaid for insurance with Auto-Owners. There are other factors you may want to take into consideration though depending on your investment strategy and goals. In a worst case scenario where the house burns down, would you actually rebuild the home or would you pay off your loan and take your equity and any remainder of the settlement to go purchase another rental property? Do you plan on filing claims for $1k to $5k worth of covered damages, or do you have a relationship with a property management company or handyman that can make those cost-effective repairs, and you only plan on filing claims for large losses like $10k+ worth of damages? 

If you would rebuild and/or plan on filing small claims, you might think about a lower deductible like $1,000 and a higher dwelling limit to be safe or add an endorsement Travelers offers called "Extended Replacement Cost," which adds an additional 25% to the dwelling limit in the event this something like this happens.

If you would not rebuild and you would just pay off the loan, take your equity, and invest elsewhere or you don't plan on filing small loss claims and only large loss claims, you may think about a higher deductible like $2,500 or $5,000 (will likely save you another $100 to $300 in annual premium) and insuring it for as close as the insurance company will allow you to get to the purchase price of the property (so at a minimum, your investment is protected). 

The detached structures limit is just preset to 10% of the dwelling limit. Detached structures all consists of fences, sheds, decks, light poles, pools, etc. If the property has any of those and not just a detached garage, you may consider if you have enough coverage for detached structures. 

Loss of rents is provided if the house becomes uninhabitable due to a covered loss (fire, tornado, etc.) and so your tenant is forced to move out. It is typically paid out monthly in the amount of 1/12 of the limit. I'd recommend taking whatever your total monthly income is for the property and times that by 12 to determine your coverage amount. If you charge $1,000 for rent, $1,000 x 12 = $12,000. If your house became uninhabitable, the adjuster would likely ask for a copy of your lease and bank statements to verify the rental income. The insurance company is not going to pay you a penny more than what you normally bring in for rental income. If you only bring in $1,000 a month, they aren't going to give you $2,000 just because you paid for higher limits. 

In regards to the quotes, besides the nearly $20k difference in replacement cost for the dwelling, the coverages are pretty similar. The only difference is the Utility Line coverage on Auto-Owners. How much are you willing to pay to have coverage for your utility lines (main sewer line, drain lines, gas lines, electrical lines, etc.)?


Feel free to connect if I can be of any help. 

Post: What level of insurance coverage should I get for STR?

Lindel SmithPosted
  • Insurance Agent
  • Indianapolis, IN
  • Posts 38
  • Votes 16

Hey @Sahand Banisadr. Let me know if I can help you. 

Post: Indianapolis Rental Properties

Lindel SmithPosted
  • Insurance Agent
  • Indianapolis, IN
  • Posts 38
  • Votes 16

Welcome to Bigger Pockets @Lauren E.! You've come to the right place. I'm an insurance broker in the area. My clients are always letting me know what contractors, lenders, and realtors have done a good job for them. Feel free to connect if there is anything I can help you with.  

Post: Indianapolis Networking / Referrals

Lindel SmithPosted
  • Insurance Agent
  • Indianapolis, IN
  • Posts 38
  • Votes 16

Welcome to investing in the Indy market @Jonathan Tao. I'm an insurance broker in the area. I hope you are protecting your assets and equity! I hear great reviews from my clients for contractors, realtors, lenders, etc. that they have used. Feel free to connect if I can help. 

Post: Indianapolis Cash Purchase Looking for Lender on $50k Renovation

Lindel SmithPosted
  • Insurance Agent
  • Indianapolis, IN
  • Posts 38
  • Votes 16

Hey @Deuce Thevenow. Congrats on your first investment! Have you thought about how you would pay back the lender or protect your own investment/equity if an accident occurred like a total loss fire, frozen pipe burst, or some vandals found out the property was vacant and under renovations?