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All Forum Posts by: Tom Lafferty

Tom Lafferty has started 22 posts and replied 224 times.

Post: Lifestyles Unlimited…your opinions...???

Tom LaffertyPosted
  • Plano, TX
  • Posts 226
  • Votes 156

Wow. I'm sure you wont believe me, but I just tried again and a gray box popped up asking me the question. I guess I clicked without reading it before, because I can honestly say I don't EVER remember answering that question before. I haven't posted in the last few weeks, but is that new?

Post: Lifestyles Unlimited…your opinions...???

Tom LaffertyPosted
  • Plano, TX
  • Posts 226
  • Votes 156

Aw geez. This is why I have not wanted to reply to any LU posts in the past. I do not want to argue with anyone about the value of this. I absolutely see the value in BP, and its an amazing resource. Here's the thing though: to replicate what I am getting through my paid mentor, I would have to post about a million questions, sift through as many answers, many of which would be completely opposite opinions. Not to mention the fact that many would not apply to my local market. I seriously doubt you would be willing to take me, as a beginner with no experience in multifamily, and present me deals, show me step by step how to analyze them, tour the properties with me, come up with a detailed rehab budget, negotiate with the selling broker, help me with ALL my questions regarding the improvement and operation of the property, and then guide me through all aspects of the sale. Nor would I ever ask you to. This is what I paid for, and am currently receiving. When I was looking to start in single family I was completely fine using only BP as a resource. There is no way I would ever consider jumping straight into syndication with no experience without an expert who would meet with me or take an immediate phone call. In fact, I would have thought someone was crazy to even suggest such a thing 11 months ago. I figured apartments were only for billionaires with years of experience. Since then I have met and grilled dozens of people who started exactly that way with no experience and are now on their 3rd and 4th properties. I also know that I would never have passively invested in a deal with a sponsor with no experience without seeing proof that the process worked. It is basically just a little community of people who got together and were able to get into something I would never have gotten into otherwise. I've spent countless hours on BP learning a TON, but would never have jumped into this because of it.

All that to say, I think I could probably get a great deal of the info I need through BP. A lot of it I have not been able to find. I may have been able to find it had I posted more questions, but it would have been very difficult. I have chosen to use a resource that has been doing for many years what I want to be doing, has a great deal of DFW market knowledge, and is still practicing what he preaches.

As for your little dig as to why I didn't click the box, I've never noticed it before. Sorry, I'll click it now. Although, it does say "other than that of a customer." Isn't that what I am in this case? I'll click it for you though.

Post: Lifestyles Unlimited…your opinions...???

Tom LaffertyPosted
  • Plano, TX
  • Posts 226
  • Votes 156

I'm a current member and will give you my thoughts. I joined after attending Del's two day class at the upgraded PIG membership simply because the multifamily route was a no-brainer to me. The education that is available on their website is extremely detailed, and I have not found it elsewhere. Some of the videos are not terribly professional, and some could be updated, but there's a lot of content. Many of the classes I have been to have been just ok, while some were very good. Several have said that everything they offer is available at BP; I strongly disagree, speaking strictly about evaluating, buying, rehabbing, operating, and exiting an apartment property of 60 units and up.

Here's the biggest thing: Several times a month I am in the same room with like-minded individuals who have money to invest, have been educated and would easily meet the SEC "sophisticated investor" criteria, and that I have an existing relationship with; also an SEC requirement. Of course I could go out and get other investors without them but it would be much more difficult. I'm sure there are people in such a position to have tons of wealthy friends that trust them due to their job or whatever and could do it easily, but not me.

Another poster was correct when they said Lifestyles will not call you after you join, you HAVE to make it known what you are looking for, and stay after them. If you have $50 or $100K to invest you can definitely get into a property with a few other investors, but you are going to have to make it happen. They will not just give you a big list of available properties and say here ya go. One benefit to joining for me is their relationships with local multifamily brokers. You have a much better chance of being taken seriously going through them than you do as a random individual they don't know. The problem in DFW right now is that people all over the country are paying stupid prices for our available apartments and making it very difficult to get offers accepted. That is not Lifestyles fault, but hopefully they aren't selling memberships and telling people otherwise.

There are some "rules" I don't like at Lifestyles, but they are in place to protect the passive investors. My biggest problem is that if all you want to do is be a passive investor, with no desire to sponsor your own deal, you still have to join at the $12000 (or $15000 if no special at the time) level. Thats not terribly fair. HOWEVER--there are MANY I now know and consider friends that are THRILLED with the returns they've gotten by doing just that. Again, its getting tougher as the REO properties dry up and competition is crazy here, but they've made a killing the last few years.

I know that BP is VERY anti "guru," and pretty negative about paying anybody for anything, so I guess I better say what its done for me. I've spent almost a year now immersing myself in learning the apartment business. I wish I would have jumped in and gotten involved sooner because I likely blew it on several properties I could have been a part of right now. I'm not like that. I'm an extreme type B that has to learn and analyze a ton before moving. For the last 3 or 4 months I've been actively searching for and touring properties. I've made one offer on a 108 unit property at $2.6M dollars, and currently have one in on a 60 unit at $2.3M, and there are two more properties I'm seriously looking at. There is absolutely NO WAY I would have EVER been able to say that without the education I've gotten over the last year. I do not have the funds to purchase a deal like that on my own, but am comfortable making offers because I have a large list of qualified investors I've spent a ton of time building over the last year. This is STRICTLY due to the groups that I paid to belong to.

Full disclosure on all this is that I also have been working with another "guru" in town. Again, I'm the type that can't get enough information. But once the decision was made to involve other people's money, I looked at the expense as insurance to protect them. It has already paid off in keeping me OUT of a deal that I was prepared to make an offer on. I won't go into a lot of detail, but @James Mudd send me a message if you want more insight and I'd be happy to meet with you.

Post: Newbie Investor from NYC area

Tom LaffertyPosted
  • Plano, TX
  • Posts 226
  • Votes 156

yes! Definitely do your due diligence on syndication, as it is a fantastic tool to use. I've been trying to find a 100+ unit apt over the last few months and there are a LOT of people out there looking for passive investments. Now if there weren't so many people looking for the same apts, THAT would be nice!

Post: Housing cycles-multifamily

Tom LaffertyPosted
  • Plano, TX
  • Posts 226
  • Votes 156

I should have specified; I meant rental comps, not sale. I actually have been personally shopping the competing properties. Make sure they actually ARE competing though.

Post: Housing cycles-multifamily

Tom LaffertyPosted
  • Plano, TX
  • Posts 226
  • Votes 156

I think another factor is some of the buyers are putting too much stock in the pro formas. I know of one for sure that was positive he could up his rents almost 30 percent just because the broker had "comps" that said so. It did not work.

Post: Housing cycles-multifamily

Tom LaffertyPosted
  • Plano, TX
  • Posts 226
  • Votes 156

I realize this is a few months old, but wanted to comment too. I've been looking for c class apartments in DFW and surrounding for the last 6 months and just about everything is getting multiple bids if its even remotely reasonable. I'm staying fairly conservative with my projections, but cannot even get close. One 60 unit that I toured that was probably worth $34K/unit allowing for a decent return just closed for over $40k! I have no idea how they plan to make money at that price.
I don't know if that means we're too far along in the cycle here in DFW to buy, but it sure is something to consider. Our jobs situation is why I am still somewhat comfortable, but I've seen the Lindahl 5-7 yr number as well, and always wonder what the exit strategy will look like in 5 yrs if I buy now. I would assume interest rates will be higher, and cap rates as well....

unfortunately you won't find that on realtor.com in our area. You're going to have to either do some marketing yourself and find motivated sellers who will sell at a big discount, or buy from a wholesaler. There's tons of great info on BP regarding both.

Post: revenue management for apartments

Tom LaffertyPosted
  • Plano, TX
  • Posts 226
  • Votes 156

I was going to post a similar question, but thought I'd try replying to this one first.
Most of the discussion I can find on LRO or revenue management products is positive, but its all from big operators with several properties.
My question is, does anyone know if RM is affordable enough to be used in the C class world? Say 100 units?

Post: West Texas- Midland Investing

Tom LaffertyPosted
  • Plano, TX
  • Posts 226
  • Votes 156

You beat me to it @Matt C. ! I was going to suggest talking to Tony as well. I met with him a few weeks ago and he's an interesting guy to talk to.