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All Forum Posts by: Tom Lafferty

Tom Lafferty has started 22 posts and replied 224 times.

Sorry for the slow reply, I've been up to my eyeballs with getting things organized.

@Will Barnard, I don't have it in front of me right now, but gross potential rent is around $255,000.

@Nick Keesee, he basically brought me the deal, helped me estimate rehab, walked all the neighboring properties for a market survey, negotiated the contract (and a re-trade that was unexpected but necessary), and guided me through all aspects of the ppm, company agreement, dealing with investors, hiring staff, etc. plus talked me off the cliff a few times when I was freaking out!

Projected IRR at the 100% return would be around 15-16%. If we convert the office, total return could be closer to 130%, with an IRR of around 20%.

Property is 1964 YOC

just noticed you asked for cash flow AND equity. That would be $137k if you count my original $50k

if we achieve a 100% return, I would get $100,000, which is $50k original investment + $50k profit. In addition, the 10% interest would be around $37k since our initial investment was around $370k. Or at least it was supposed to be. At closing, it ended up being $304k, so our projected returns will increase. So total profit for me based on initial projections would be around $87k. I'm not taking any management fee above that. Not quite the big dollars you guys play with, but at least it might cover my gas money driving back and forth...

Post: Management options for 32 unit apartment

Tom LaffertyPosted
  • Plano, TX
  • Posts 226
  • Votes 156

Hi John, it's in Garland. It's the one that prompted my comment regarding Garland that you responded to as well the other day.

There have been some other posts regarding this deal in the multifamily forum, but I thought I'd post a summary here as well.
I started looking into REI one year ago, and was overwhelmed by all the strategies. I read endlessly on BP, talked to everyone that would listen, and went to countless conferences, classes, etc. I finally decided multifamily was where I wanted to be, and started looking for property last summer. Yes, I used a "guru" to do this deal, but hopefully it will be the best decision I have made in a long time. There is NO WAY I would have attempted this without the experience and EXTREME hand-holding of someone very experienced. I wanted 80+ units in order to afford full 3rd party management, but as a beginner with no track record, and everyone and their dog buying here in DFW, it was very difficult to find something that wasn't getting overbid (at least in my opinion?).
So a 32 unit off market deal was presented to the mentor mentioned above, and he brought it to me. There were several other "students" in this group that wanted to invest with me, so I knew the money was there. In the interest of hopefully not getting blasted for involving OPM while I'm learning the biz, all of these people are highly educated on the risks of this investment, and know that I have no RE experience, although I have been extensively learning the biz for a year. Many are looking for properties themselves, and have passive investments in other apt deals like this one. I also have the support and experience of others who have done the same thing, and are now on their 2nd, 3rd, or 4th deals.

Here are some details:
32 unit property purchased for $1.13M, plus $63k in rehab. Bank loan of 75% at 4.5%, 25 yr amortization, due in 5 years. First year is interest only.
I put down $50,000 of my own money, and raised $326,000 from others, mainly in $50,000 shares. We are likely a little bit overcapitalized, so they may get a little bit of capital back in 6 months or so. Property is ABP, and currently has only 1 vacant unit. Rents are a bit low for the area, and it appears we can increase them. Properties nearby are getting much higher rent, are in worse shape, and are completely full.
Using projections that are hopefully conservative, we hope to have a 100% return in 5 yrs. That is assuming 2% annual rent growth, 2% expense growth (except yr 2, where I assume our taxes are going to go up dramatically), 10% economic loss after first few years, and a cap rate increase by the time we sell or refi.
As I mentioned, this property is a bit small to afford professional asset management and full time staff (at least if we want to make our projections), so I will be self-managing it (keeping books, managing the manager, etc). Our budget originally included a part time on site mngr, and PT maintenance person, but I ended up reaching an agreement with the owner of the property next door to ours to share his manager. She is absolutely amazing, and is there full time. If occupancy in the area begins to soften, we may have to make other arrangements, as there could be conflict of interest issues, but for now I am thrilled to have her. In addition, that frees up our office, which we can turn into a rental unit, and immediately add $75000 to the value of the property.
As deal sponsor, I get 10% of cash flow and cap gains at sale or cash out refi. That is only after investors get 100% of initial capital returned though.
This is not the home run, value-add deal that I hoped for, but it appears to be a strong yield play using conservative projections, and has the potential to do much better than projected. With regard to getting a track record going, I'm hoping that this was a very good decision. We shall see.....

Post: Management options for 32 unit apartment

Tom LaffertyPosted
  • Plano, TX
  • Posts 226
  • Votes 156

Closed on the property yesterday, and I'm sure this will set off a storm of "what have you done!" comments, but as requested, heres some more info:

1964 YOC, 32 unit property. Paid $1.1M with a 75% ltv 4.5% 5yr note. Bank is also financing $63,000 in rehab. Seller put a great deal of money into the property over the last 2 years, so we're basically continuing some interior upgrades, various exterior items, sewer jetting, and roof repair.
Property is ABP, has a chiller and boiler that were replaced last year. Currently only 1 vacant unit. Rents are currently $625 for a 1/1, of which there are 20. The market strongly suggests $660 is very easily attainable.
Here's what happened on the management option. After meeting with the manager of the property next door several times during due diligence, I (and other investors) decided we wanted her involved with our property at all costs. I made contact with the owner, and he was very interested. Now before everyone goes crazy and tells me I'm nuts because she'll always rent her units first, heres what we gain. Full time, on site, professional, tough, and very experienced manager. At best, we were going to have a part time, fairly inexperienced person for which we budgeted $15k/yr. We're getting this one for substantially less. Both properties are currently full, and there is quite a bit of demand in the area. If occupancy starts to soften, we would likely have to make other arrangements. Hopefully we will add other properties and this one will be part of a managed portfolio. For maintenance, we found a tenant at the property next door who is highly experienced with all aspects of apt upkeep, as well as unit turns.
Regarding Serge S comment about no way a property would cash flow given 50 yrs old, utilities paid, and low income tenants -- we're all three, and it is currently cash flowing. Things could change, but I guess we'll see.
One other bonus for us is that since the manager is now technically off-site (but about 20 ft away from our office) we are likely going to convert the office to an efficiency which will probably rent for $500, adding $75000 in value to the property. If we need office space in the future, there is an add on that could be very easily converted into office space.
Yes, I'm going to be crazy busy for a little while, but I cannot tell you how thrilled I am with the management arrangement that I ended up with. She is seriously AMAZING. She doesn't even start until Monday, but she already found a tenant for our one vacant unit.

Post: ?Building a Junker Portfolio

Tom LaffertyPosted
  • Plano, TX
  • Posts 226
  • Votes 156

I'm projecting $20k/mo on my one and only property-- in Garland. I sure hope Chapman doesn't jinx it!

Post: ?Building a Junker Portfolio

Tom LaffertyPosted
  • Plano, TX
  • Posts 226
  • Votes 156

HEY @John Chapman

Watch the Garland pot shots!

@Chris Soignier , I am a member, however the 32 unit is not through LU. I'll send you a message...