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All Forum Posts by: Account Closed

Account Closed has started 9 posts and replied 77 times.

Post: SFH for rental analysis

Account ClosedPosted
  • Property Manager
  • Renton, WA
  • Posts 81
  • Votes 20
Originally posted by @J Scott:
Originally posted by @Account Closed:

 its listed by the selling agent at 284k, but the zillow estimate is at 300k. By looking at the property, and in their disclosure statement, it needs a roof and new siding. its been listed for over 6 months now. 

The Zillow estimate is meaningless.  You should find a local real estate agent who can tell you how much the property is worth.

From there, I'd probably start my negotiation at about 15% below the actual value of the property -- if it's valued at the listing price, that would be about $240K as a starting offer (though if it's been listed for 6 months at the $284K price, it's not worth that much).

 I agree that at times the zillow estimatwe is meaningless, but the area where I live, most homes sell at zillow price. I understand other areas of the country, thats not the case. I think its been on sale for so long because people are shying away from the roof and siding issue. It was listed at 289k and then 284k and then they delisted it. Im very interested in it because its what I buy. 4 bed 2.5 bath sfh that generate 2k a month. I usually make 20k a yr of each home. after insurance and taxes. repairs are very minimal(fingers crossed).  Also does that 15% rule apply even if im paying in cash? I usually get my properties at a huge discount because i pay cash. Also now that its unlisted, do you think I should go straight to the owner? 

Post: SFH for rental analysis

Account ClosedPosted
  • Property Manager
  • Renton, WA
  • Posts 81
  • Votes 20
Originally posted by @Arlan Potter:

@Account Closed 

Then don't buy in seatle, buy in the outer areas where rentals make good money. It apparently works for you but the rent to cost ratio is not what I would want. I would think there are properties that will do a better ratio. Maybe harder to find but they are around.

I would also say that the average renter in the seatle area is not paying $2000 a month rent. The average wage for a working man does not support that type of rent. There has to be housing for the average folks. With moderate rent.

I completely agree. But I have 5 SFH and they all are rented for 2k a month, one is even at 2300 a month. mostly all the homes I bought at around 250k and are worth probably 300k or 350k now. all of them are 4 bed 2 bath or more. I find that people who rent 4 bd homes stay in that home for longer... I have tenants who have been with me for over 4 yrs. What do you think would be the ideal cost to rent ratio? thank yuo for your input. greatly appreciated.

Post: SFH for rental analysis

Account ClosedPosted
  • Property Manager
  • Renton, WA
  • Posts 81
  • Votes 20
Originally posted by @Arlan Potter:

it is way too high for a rental.  Can you get $3000/month in rent?  Find  3 $75,000 houses.

PS. I just sold a brand new 2,600 ft. 4 bed 3 bath 2 living areas on 1 acre for $295,000. In oklahoma. 

oh no... 75k wont get you an outhouse in seattle lol. SFH start at about 150k and thats extremely lower level. I buy most of my rentals at around 245k. and they give me 2k a month in rent.

Post: SFH for rental analysis

Account ClosedPosted
  • Property Manager
  • Renton, WA
  • Posts 81
  • Votes 20
Originally posted by @J Scott:

Are you just asking what starting price you should offer in order to try to reach a $250K agreement (the title made it sound like more than that, but that's what the post indicates)?

Assuming so, it would depend on the comp value, the condition of the property (in addition to the roof and siding) and how long it's been listed.  Also, you say above that it's listed for $284K and then say it's on Zillow for $300K -- which is it?

 its listed by the selling agent at 284k, but the zillow estimate is at 300k. By looking at the property, and in their disclosure statement, it needs a roof and new siding. its been listed for over 6 months now. 

Post: SFH for rental analysis

Account ClosedPosted
  • Property Manager
  • Renton, WA
  • Posts 81
  • Votes 20

4br 2.5 bath. 1860 sf built in 1994 listed at 284k

needs roof and new siding(hardie plank) most likely

listed on zillow at 300k and i know zillow can vary form rgion to region but where I live, the zillow price is pretty damn accurate fom what ive seen. 

Im looking to buy cash, what offer should I put in? I dont want to go too low, then they won't respond. I want something close enough to where we can meet in the middle and I can buy for like maybe 250k or lower. 

Post: Bank & LA defensive over inspection...WTH???

Account ClosedPosted
  • Property Manager
  • Renton, WA
  • Posts 81
  • Votes 20

wow... I guess you hear something new every day. Thank you for sharing that. yea I mean anytime an agent or seller does anything outside of the normal procedure, you should always have a mental red flag raised. Refusing inspection is just absurd, they probably won't ever sell that house unless its a cash buyer. I mean what traditional lender would go through a deal without inspection. 

Post: hypothetical question, lets see how this goes.

Account ClosedPosted
  • Property Manager
  • Renton, WA
  • Posts 81
  • Votes 20

Joe your killing me here...lol.  "Hypothetical" lol. Just wondering if the numbers did work.. its still option "b"?? @Joe Villeneuve I thought most people would pick option b too. 

Post: hypothetical question, lets see how this goes.

Account ClosedPosted
  • Property Manager
  • Renton, WA
  • Posts 81
  • Votes 20

I have a crazy question to ask all these professional investors. I'm curious to see which way the vote will go. Okay here's the question:

Let's suppose you have 100k in cash.. what would you do??

A. buy one sfh for 100k in cash and be free and clear and receive $1000 a month. 

or

B. Buy five different sfh at 20% down (20k) each. and cash flow $1000 a month ($200 from each house). 

and yes I know the numbers might not never work, but lets say they do and the world is made of candy. 

Post: Question About Reinvesting: Pay down mortgage(s) or save for next deal

Account ClosedPosted
  • Property Manager
  • Renton, WA
  • Posts 81
  • Votes 20
Originally posted by @Joe Villeneuve:
Originally posted by @Account Closed:
Originally posted by @Joe Villeneuve:

1 - Pay cash

2 - Refinance cash out

3 - Re-invest cash from cash flow on next deal

4 - Live off of remaining cash flow after refinancing

...rinse, and repeat

 Can you please give an example with real numbers. I'm very intrigued by what your saying and I think I get it, but an example would really help. I buy all my properties in cash and have never refinanced anything.  cash out refi on something you own free and clear? 

 You don't own it...it owns you.  Here's why.

Let's say you put $50k in cash into the house to buy/rehab/etc...and leave it there. Also, you have $400/month CF.  Your cash just died.  Let's follow the money:

The Money                        Event                    Net Income/Expense

1 - $50k                      In from the start                - $50,000 
2 - $4800k out            At end of year 1                - $45,200

3 - $4800k out            At end of year 2                - $40,400
.
.

11 - $4800 x 8            At end of year 10             - $  2,000 ...10 years later your still behind

            ... .or, you can refinance after 1 year (I can after 6 months) and...

                                   New CF:  $500 - 250 (debt) = $250/month

The Money                      Event                         Net Income/Expense         

1 - $50k                    In from the start                    - $50,000             
2 - $1500k out          At end of 6 months               - $48,500
3 - $50,000 out         At end of 6 months (RefI)     + $  1,500  (you're now ahead)

...and, you might be able to get out more than you put in when you refinance.

This we are doing on a regular basis.  I just analyzed 3 more properties this morning that would allow for this.

wow... thank you so much for that... probably the best most straight forward answer I've gotten on this site.

Post: Question About Reinvesting: Pay down mortgage(s) or save for next deal

Account ClosedPosted
  • Property Manager
  • Renton, WA
  • Posts 81
  • Votes 20
Originally posted by @Joe Villeneuve:

1 - Pay cash

2 - Refinance cash out

3 - Re-invest cash from cash flow on next deal

4 - Live off of remaining cash flow after refinancing

...rinse, and repeat

 Can you please give an example with real numbers. I'm very intrigued by what your saying and I think I get it, but an example would really help. I buy all my properties in cash and have never refinanced anything.  cash out refi on something you own free and clear?