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All Forum Posts by: Account Closed

Account Closed has started 21 posts and replied 1085 times.

Post: On the subject of cash flow and self-sustaining properties...

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@Lucas Mills Or you can buy them Subject To and sell to Tenant Buyers for cash flow and never worry about CapEx again.

Post: New Member Kellie Fernald

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@Kellie Fernald Unless you are flush with cash, that volume of purchases might be a bit of a challenge. Talk to your banker and ask how many units they will fund. For the remainder, find a  commercial lender and how much down you need for the remainder. Figure out your finances and the sources.

Post: I need your questions on Owner Financing & Real Estate Notes

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@Collin Corrington If you aren't *trained* to do Subject To & Creative Financing,  What could possibly go wrong? ;-)

Post: Rental vs. Flipping: Which, and why?

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@Account Closed I don't do Fix & Flip anymore. It has the highest tax bracket, takes the longest and is the riskiest. Generally a Fix & Flip runs for 3 to 6 months and and you can only do so many in a year. The market changes and you can be left trying to sell a property people can't afford. 

I start with the assumption that I am *not* going to put more than $25,000 into a property, "All in."

So, for instance, if the seller has $8,000 in equity, I give them $8,000 out of the $25,000 I have allocated and use the rest, $17,000 for the expenses. I Purchase (I take over the loan), pay escrow, pay title, pay carrying costs, pay utilities, pay for marketing, pay for property clean up, I do *very little* rehab and I keep $5,000 in reserves from that $17,000 in case I need it later. I've developed a spreadsheet for this model and I can tell pretty quickly if I am within my "safe zone". I assume 3 months to sell. Usually sells within 30 days though.

My typical houses are in the $150,000 - $300,000 range. I invest & coach in multiple states and In the Tri-Cities the numbers are a bit lower of course but relative to the same percentages. Say a property has a PITI of $1,200. I go to rentometer and see what rents are going for in the neighborhood. I then mark up the payment into the first quarter of the "red zone" on the chart, say, $1950. So the difference between what I pay and what I get is my monthly "cash flow" or $750 in that case. (That's from an actual deal.) People are willing to pay more if they will actually own the house rather than rent forever.

I do my comps and mark the sales price *up* beyond what things are currently selling for. Say, $30,000 above market. (Less of course in the Tri-Cities). It's "whatever the market will bear". I don't use real estate agents so I am saving the 6% fee, $12,000 in the case of a $200,000 property.

Then I offer the property on Owner Financing/Lease Option/Wrap/etc to business people who have great incomes, some money set aside and want to own a house but can't get financing because their Tax Returns don't show enough income. (Self employed get *great* tax write offs but that doesn't help when trying to get a loan from a bank).

The first Tenant Buyer who has $25,000 to put down and qualifies under DoddFrank gets the nod. If they have the money to put down, if they have a job that will support the payment under good lending guideline Ratios, (I used to be a loan officer and that is how I was trained), and If they don't have *unpaid* child support, if they aren't *delinquent* on student loans, if they aren't currently in a bankruptcy, if they aren't currently in a divorce, if they aren't currently in a lawsuit, etc. I don't care if they had a bankruptcy discharged last week. I don't care if they have lates and long ago write-offs.

So, I get the $25,000 back when the Tenant Buyer comes along, usually within a month or two. I get the $750 a month ($9,000 a year) cash flow and I don't care how long he wants me to carry the financing. Each year that goes by is another $9,000 to me plus the principal is being paid down. When he eventually does do a refinance, the difference between his payoff amount and my payoff amount I get to keep. This is a more *complex* technique but anybody can be taught how to do it. I read at Realtor.com that the average gross return on a Fix & Flip is about $25,000. This is *far* easier, faster, less risky and more lucrative. IMHO

Post: North Korea effect on housing market

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@Agypse Gos I would think that the next *big* earthquake in your area is more of a concern than North Korea. We know there WILL be another earthquake, we just don't know when. North Korea is finding that China is putting pressure on them to smarten up. When North Korea loses China's tacit support, North Korea backs down. That is about where we are right now. North Korea is backing down.

Post: DILEMMA Buying out Partners- Multiple Properties and Notes

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@Ron Flatt Congratulations to you and your bro's. It's an interesting dilemma that I haven't run into. I am not a CPA or Tax Attorney and I'd think you'd want to consult with both. But, I am a "strategist". I would probably have each of the three brothers form their own LLCs. Then I would divide the properties on paper to be as equal as possible with "scissors, paper, rock" deciding any issues. I would then have the Corporation sell/deed each of the properties to the appropriate LLC. Ultimately the properties and notes are in the separate LLCs and that allows each brother to liquidate as desired. It could all be done over a BBQ and a game or two of horseshoes. Now, I have to tell you, there will be a dozen people after me that will tell you why it can't or shouldn't be done that way, but I challenge then to a game of "scissors, paper, rock" to decide if they are right.

Post: Homeowner looking to start investing

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Originally posted by @Tom Depuma:

I bought my first home in 2014 which my wife, son and I live in! I have roughly 200k in equity  I'm looking to take the that and start investing into real estate. What's my first step?

Hi Tom. I don't know if you should buy in Buda or in Pest but Decide which kind of investor you want to be (SFR, Commercial, Land, Tax Liens, Passive, HML, Multi-Family, Notes, Fix & Flip, Buy & Hold, "Subject To", apartments, duplexes, assisted living, REOs, Foreclosures, Short Sales), etc. Decide how much money you have access to, & the zip codes, city or state you want to focus on. That will determine the next step. Outline where you want to be in five years. Put it all in writing. Start working your plan. There are plenty of people around to help you each step of the way. Drop me a line if I can help.

Post: 18 rentals owned free and clear

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Originally posted by @Adam Klugh:

@Derrick E. @Kyle J.@Chris Purcell@Chris Armstrong@Steve Vaughan@Bill Exeter@Dawn Anastasi@Rebekah Keller@Mark H.@David Faulkner@Account Closed@Levi T.@William S.@Glenn McCrorey@Doug McVinua

So... We've decided on a plan. But first, I must come clean to the crowd.

THE LIE

The profile I gave you all is actually for a client of mine. To answer how he got to where he is today... He's flipped over 100 properties to finally land where he is today holding an impressive portfolio of cash flowing SFRs free and clear. Jackson is an awesome buy and hold town. The only place I know of where you can buy a $100K property in an B-class neighborhood that rents for $1200-1300 a month. The rent to value ratios are awesome and you don't have to be in a ghetto to get them. I own 5 myself which I started to accumulated at the end of 2013 while working a full time job and getting my MBA.

The reason for the lie

The reason I mislead you all, was that I needed your help with the heavy lifting. I knew that If I could summarize this guy's profile in one sentence I would get more minds working on this coming up with better ideas than I could have ever done myself. I went into this meeting looking like a genius full of options thanks to the BP community.

Now for the strategy

After having a very productive conversation with @Dave Foster and another strategy session on Friday we've decided to take advantage of rolling a good portion of these properties into a large apartment complex through using a reverse 1031 exchange. 

Jackson is cheap. We are looking for a $1-2 million apartment complex. We will cash-out refi a portion of the best performing, most stable properties that we plan to keep long term. We will use that as the down payment on the apartment complex and over the next 180 days liquidate as many of the single family residences as we can deferring the tax into the apartment complex. (We actually have a way of getting rid of all the rest of them at full appraised value, but that's for a separate thread and you can message me if you want to know more about that).

If this strategy works as planned, most of the loan on the new apartment complex should be paid off. We could then re-leverage the complex and use that cash as down payments on 2 more equally sized complexes or one much larger complex. This should drastically increase monthly cash flow AND consolidate the management. 

Experienced investors please tell me now where I'm going to screw this up so I can prep for those issues you already know I'm going to run into. 

 Hi Adam, the first Adam was caught in a lie and he got kicked out of the garden. There wasn't a second chance.

Post: Looking for advice on my first flip

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@Joshua Whipple You can get a better idea of an area using Trulia.com has a section on neighborhoods and city-data.com gives even more detail. 

Post: tell or not to tell is the question

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@Moises B. Just to be clear, his job is to negotiate and get you the best deal, his job is to make sure there is a clear title, his job is to make sure you don't overpay, his job is to make sure the other side "performs", his job is to make sure you don't "crash and burn". Don't underestimate the complexity of the transaction and it is *highly* unlikely that you currently possess the knowledge and skills to keep yourself out of trouble until you've done a few of these. If the seller won't accept you having a real estate agent, pay your agent the 3% they deserve, out of your pocket and follow his advice. Otherwise, your next post is likely to be a "woe is me" type of post. I see them all the time on BP. People who *think* they can do it on their own without experience, with a coach, without a real estate agent. You need one of the three. The most costly is *experience*.  ;-)