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All Forum Posts by: Benjamin Cowles

Benjamin Cowles has started 92 posts and replied 441 times.

Post: Lease Option agreement fell apart

Benjamin CowlesPosted
  • Cape Coral, FL
  • Posts 469
  • Votes 32

Yeah, so what ever happened with this?

Post: Question about another possible use of escrow

Benjamin CowlesPosted
  • Cape Coral, FL
  • Posts 469
  • Votes 32

Can you use an escrow account to hold a JV agreement with instructions to transfer the seller's property deed at the end of a contract for sale in a 'JV with seller' scenario?

I'm trying to make sure I understand how this process works especially from the seller's POV.

And I didn't read about escrow being used this way but I thought it would be helpful if a seller might feel insecure with just a copy of a JV agreement from some investor taking control of their property perhaps in another state. Or am I missing something?

Post: Confused about the "beneficiary" of a trust

Benjamin CowlesPosted
  • Cape Coral, FL
  • Posts 469
  • Votes 32
Originally posted by @Nick C.:

That's a long sentence and honestly I'm having a little trouble following it, but I'll give it a shot. In a land trust the beneficiary should be who/what actually owns the property, not the lender. And the trustee should be signing the loan documents. 

 Thanks. 

Originally posted by @Dion DePaoli:

Interest accrues in arrears.  Unlike rent, which is paid in advance.  For loan interest you must have the money in order for interest to accrue.  

Depending on what the loan purpose and type is usually this isn't overly negotiated.  Most lenders will seek payments on a monthly basis which comes due after having the money deployed during the prior month.  

Some hard money lenders will defer interest to the backside of the loan to accommodate scenarios like a fix and flip where the sale of the property pays off the loan.  Long term loans will generally seek a monthly payment.  

Thanks Dion. I forgot to specify. I was thinking between "interest only" payments vs "principle only". In your scenario where the HML will defer interest to the backside, wouldn't he earn more deferring principle to the backside (interest only payments) instead of interest, leaving the principle balance in place to accrue more interest while still allowing the investor time to hold onto their money?

Maybe I thinking too much into as you suggested. But if I were lending short term, if I wasn't going to offer to no payments till the balloon date and wanted to incentivize the borrower to get my money back I'd implement interest only payments, giving them smaller payments but also compensating myself over time for the loan. And am I correct assuming as a borrower you'd opt for anything between no payments to principle only? Thanks

I'm just trying to think from the seller's POV and am trying to eliminate all road blocks. Wouldn't it be a good idea to be prepared to at least put down enough to cover a potential foreclosure?

And beyond a substantial down payment and a mortgage/lien on the property, can a seller feel safe that they'll get paid their portion of the sales proceeds?

Suppose the seller is out of town or state and they a JV agreement, a piece of paper and the investor pays off the mortgage/DOT but they delay or appear not to intend to pay the seller their share of the profits from the JV agreement.

Can the JV agreement be put into the escrow instructions for the sale of the property and if so how can the seller be assured of this after they've let go of the property after selling to the investor? Have it in the agreement that the escrow used in the seller to investor be used also in the investor to end buyer sale?

Originally posted by @Evan Wiesner:

... Then once your done with the remodel you list and sell and the escrow company simply gets the payoff from the former owner. If you can use the same escrow company on both ends you can make it really easy by getting a pass-through title policy and they'll already have access to the payoff from the servicing company they sent it to originally

 Hey Evan. Thanks for your input in this thread. I'm confused about the above statement tho. Doesn't the "payoff" come from the investor paying off the seller for the note rather than the "former owner" or seller as you state here? Thanks

Is it as simple as as the borrower (obviously) you'd negotiate for interest later and as the note/mortgage holder the converse, interest first? Or is there more to these types of terms?

Post: Confused about the "beneficiary" of a trust

Benjamin CowlesPosted
  • Cape Coral, FL
  • Posts 469
  • Votes 32

I've read that in a trust, (ir)revocable it's usually those designated to 'benefit' by receiving the assets in the trust created by the "grantor" but that in a land trust it is the the grantor,  or the lender in a deed of trust who is the "beneficiary" rather than those that benefit by ending up with asset the trust was intended to impart the ownership of unto like in a regular trust. Seems a little inconsistent no? Is there any more sense to make of this or is this just how the terms came to be?

Originally posted by @Brian Gibbons:

Hi @Benjamin Cowles

If you are buying on a lease w option, you used to be able to "refinance" the contract into permanent financing.

Now you need standard underwriting with FHA and conventional, 3 - 5% down and DTI under 43%

See

http://www.fhahandbook.com/debt-ratios.php

If you had another type of financing, say contract for deed or Land Contract, that might be different, a possible refi.

 Thanks Brian. Hey, I saw in another thread where you mentioned you used notecollection.com to service rent payments between TB's and seller's banks. Around how much does that run if not a flat rate or %? Thanks again for all your contributions. Been reading a lot of your posts

Originally posted by @Robert Sepulveda:

@Benjamin Cowles the owner financing is essentially a private loan. A seller will have you sign a purchase agreement with a cash down payment for a portion of their equity and a note for the balloon payment. That note is a private mortgage. But I didn't see any mention before of the three year timeline, so you're right, there wouldn't be an issue with timing either way if it's three years down the road.

Yes, there are portfolio loans and private money that will primarily consider the strength of the cash flow on each property, once you have a stabilized two year rental history. They will all still consider your credit score and stated income, then the rental income and net profit per unit. Those will put you in the 6% to 8% range of rates vs 5% to 6% for conventional investment property loans. So you just have to calculate for that contingency in your analysis.

 Thanks Robert