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All Forum Posts by: J. Martin

J. Martin has started 159 posts and replied 3637 times.

Post: Sell my rental or hold!

J. Martin
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@Melvin Yuen , I almost bought some property in Vallejo because it was, and still is to some extent, beatdown more than other areas. But since I'm a buy and hold investor, and rents/rental demand were so much higher in Richmond for a just a little more money (and better commute to Oak/SF), I bought there.

I absolutely understand why it corrected and could have more to go. Good that you were able to identify the difference between that correction/reversion and the longer-term prospects of Vallejo. I think @Jon Klaus has the right idea. Where is your "extractable" equity best used (after selling costs, expenses, etc)? Extractable = net cash to you after sale. Another way to look at it is to ask yourself, "Would I buy this property again today at the current market price, with the downpayment of my "extractable" equity?" You are deciding to tie up your equity and stay invested at the current market price, which is just like someone buying into the market at that moment. (after taking into account transaction costs..)

So now that we've set the framework, what about your deal? Would you jump into the Vallejo market on a SFH rental at $350K in 2 years..? (this would almost certainly have to be for appreciation potential, because rents out there will not give you much CF at that price from my perspective, unless rents skyrocket.) If you would stay in at that price, why not buy another Vallejo SFH at that price, if you believe in it so much? Or would you hang onto it just because it's a "legacy" asset that you had already? I'm a buy-and-hold investor, and plan to hang on to most of my properties for a long time, so this pains me a little to say.. I think I would 1031X out of this if it hits $350K, or subdivide/sell and keep the lot. And this is definitely impacted by my view of Vallejo.

To be honest, the high and potentially uncertain property taxes, coupled with the less-than-great public schools, and longer commute to most employment centers (unless you drop $300/mo on the ferry) gives Vallejo some headwinds on long-term appreciation IMHO. In addition, the rents and rental demand out there are not great relative to rising prices, especially if they go that high... You may get more correction/reversion returns, but I think the longer-term appreciation will be MUCH slower and MUCH MUCH more speculative IMHO.

As far as selling/1031X, subdivide/partial sale, or cash-out equity.. These are, in order, how much exposure you want to swap out of Vallejo into something else. The 1031X gets rid of all your Vallejo exposure at that price, selling the house and keeping the lot as a kicker gives you some speculative upside if Vallejo keeps going, and the cash-out option gives leveraged exposure to Vallejo, the most concentrated bet on the area.

I would choose the option that is most consistent with your view of Vallejo's further potential at that time, and CF, relative to other investments that are available to you at that time.. My view would be the 1031 or subdivide/partial sale if it goes that high. But I would probably take some cash-out equity now, either way, while rates are still low and there are still deals to be had on more properties.. unless you're so flush with cash for new investments, it doesn't matter..

Post: 2013 Mistakes/Failures & Lessons Learned - Spill your guts!

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@Moe C. , just curious, what is your main reason behind this, or what has happened in the past that made you say this? Make mistake on recording? Not trust-worthy/screwed? Other..?

Post: 2013 Mistakes/Failures & Lessons Learned - Spill your guts!

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Thanks for jumping in @Account Closed . I was interested to hear your perspective, having had a good year in 2013. It sounds like allocating time is a common theme among BP members .. along with sometimes being more firm about your opinion with your partner(s)

Maybe another lesson here is to try to have a backup team of people you can trust that you can outsource jobs too when your main people are too busy. Sort of like a back-up / succession plan. I identified the most key people in my real estate business. Right now, they are my handyman and my main investor. So I'm working on finding some others to keep in the loop and do work with to diversify those key people..

Post: What returns do you target on your real estate investments

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@Don Konipol ,

I target 6-9% cash flow ROE on new purchases, although this is in the Bay Area where it's hard to find any cash flow. This return is also with 30yr fixed financing, lots of maintenance and reserves factored in, and relatively low-headache tenants. My prior purchases are higher and FHA ROE can't really be calculated because it was all borrowed. But the numerator is great! There's another 2-3% ROE "accrual" returns in principal paydown. And 3-4X leverage on any appreciation returns. At a long-term rate of 2%, that would add 6-8% ROE in appreciation returns.. No guarantee, but I also have to look at the reasonable upside and downside in assessing my purchases.

6-9% in CF
2-3% principal paydown
6-8% appreciation

= 8-12% ROE before appreciation,
14-20% after appreciation, over longer-term

I might add that buildings are in good condition and rents/ft are about $1.50/month (or $12/ft/yr), so a fluctuation in vacancy or expenses won't change my income too much. I noticed that in many low-income areas BP investors are in, the REO appears high (20-30%!), but a single new AC unit or wood rot job can take the profit negative for a year or more! Yikes!

Post: New Alaskans!

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Welcome Rodney . There are a lot of super helpful people and great advice on this site! I’m a ‘fix and hold’ investor from the Bay Area in CA, and loving it! A lot of others doing flips, wholesaling, notes, everything.. A few tips..

You can tag people by typing @ before you type their name, then clicking their name when it pops up at the bottom of the message box. You can click on the ‘vote’ button if you like someone's post or is helpful, and there are ‘awards’ to earn on your profile. The "Learn" link across the top navigation bar has lots of great info, and most importantly, the BP members! Welcome to BP, and good luck on your investments!

Post: Los Angeles New Member - Interested in Out of State Buy & Hold

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Hi Daniel, and welcome to BP! I’m a ‘fix and hold’ investor from the Bay Area in CA, and loving it! But you’ll find a variety of every type of investor on the site, and everyone is amazingly helpful. Some pointers for you: The "Learn" link across the top navigation bar has lots of great info, and so do BP members! You can click on the ‘vote’ button if you like someone's post or is helpful, and there are ‘awards’ to earn on your profile. And you can tag people by typing @ before you type their name, then clicking their name at the bottom of the message box. Welcome to the site, and good luck in everything!

Post: New Member from Boston, MA - MetroWest

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Welcome John. There are a lot of super helpful people and great advice on this site! I’m a ‘fix and hold’ investor from the Bay Area in CA, and loving it! A lot of others doing flips, wholesaling, notes, everything.. A few tips..

You can tag people by typing @ before you type their name, then clicking their name when it pops up at the bottom of the message box. You can click on the ‘vote’ button if you like someone's post or is helpful, and there are ‘awards’ to earn on your profile. The "Learn" link across the top navigation bar has lots of great info, and most importantly, the BP members! Welcome to BP, and good luck on your investments!

Post: NJ Newbie-Sort Of...

J. Martin
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Hi Michael, and welcome to BP! I’m a ‘fix and hold’ investor from the Bay Area in CA, and loving it! But you’ll find a variety of every type of investor on the site, and everyone is amazingly helpful. Some pointers for you: The "Learn" link across the top navigation bar has lots of great info, and so do BP members! You can click on the ‘vote’ button if you like someone's post or is helpful, and there are ‘awards’ to earn on your profile. And you can tag people by typing @ before you type their name, then clicking their name at the bottom of the message box. Welcome to the site, and good luck in everything!

Post: New from North Dallas

J. Martin
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Welcome Paul . There are a lot of super helpful people and great advice on this site! I’m a ‘fix and hold’ investor from the Bay Area in CA, and loving it! A lot of others doing flips, wholesaling, notes, everything.. A few tips..

You can tag people by typing @ before you type their name, then clicking their name when it pops up at the bottom of the message box. You can click on the ‘vote’ button if you like someone's post or is helpful, and there are ‘awards’ to earn on your profile. The "Learn" link across the top navigation bar has lots of great info, and most importantly, the BP members! Welcome to BP, and good luck on your investments!

Post: Fort Worth Realtor and Wholesale Newbie

J. Martin
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Hi Dana , and welcome to BP! I’m a ‘fix and hold’ investor from the Bay Area in CA, and loving it! But you’ll find a variety of every type of investor on the site, and everyone is amazingly helpful. Some pointers for you: The "Learn" link across the top navigation bar has lots of great info, and so do BP members! You can click on the ‘vote’ button if you like someone's post or is helpful, and there are ‘awards’ to earn on your profile. And you can tag people by typing @ before you type their name, then clicking their name at the bottom of the message box. Welcome to the site, and good luck in everything!