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All Forum Posts by: Josh Oaten

Josh Oaten has started 30 posts and replied 257 times.

Post: Off Market Deal Sourcing Strategies

Josh OatenPosted
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  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 261
  • Votes 143
Quote from @Account Closed:

Building and nurturing relationships with regional brokerages/brokers is another great way of being sent all offmarket deals they get.  7 out of 10 commercial properties we acquired in the last 15 months were received this way. 

On market or pocket listings?

 What are you doing exactly to build and ‘nurture’ your relationships?

Post: Off Market Deal Sourcing Strategies

Josh OatenPosted
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  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 261
  • Votes 143
Quote from @Jeremy Green:

Hey Josh, I am an active investor in the DFW Market and I strive heavily on sourcing off-market deals. I will find these deals by obtaining a list and text blasting the owners (Our bread and butter.) Or I will drive for dollars and call the owners directly. You have to target the right areas and motivated sellers to make a deal happen. Be persistent and personable with the sellers!

Jeremy,

Thank you for sharing. 
Where are you obtaining lists? (Costar, brokers) 
What is your process in contacting sellers? Are you speaking with them for months, taking them out for lunch etc?

My big question is how do you identify a motivated seller?

Post: Off Market Deal Sourcing Strategies

Josh OatenPosted
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  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 261
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What strategies have you used and succeeded with in sourcing off market deals for larger Multifamily properties (50 - 200 units) ?

Post: Creative Multifamily Strategies for Other Income

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  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 261
  • Votes 143
Quote from @Hoi L.:
Quote from @Josh Oaten:
Quote from @Jason Foxx:

What are some creative ways to get Additional Other Income from a high end multi family building? I may be running an 80+ unit in the near future.

Laundry is included in each unit. Ways that we already implement are storage, parking, certain fees, etc. 

I was thinking of possibly offering a unit cleaning service for interested tenants as a way to create additional income and cover the cost of common space cleaning. Vending machines and dry cleaning are other thoughts that came to mind.

Does anyone have recommendations?

Thanks,

Most have been mentioned.
Best ones are:
- Valet Trash
- Package Lockers
- Vending Machine (so long as it is not outside or accessible to outsiders. This can be a draw card for unwanted guests if not placed correctly)
- RUBs utility bill back, but I’m assuming this is already in place
- Internet/ Cable package that residents must use
- Renters insurance is another that you can make as a requirement for residents, similar to the internet/cable package.

@Josh Oaten How does "renters insurance" provide an extra income stream for us, the landlords?  Charge them a separate fee for our already in place commercial property insurance?  I require the tenants to obtain their own insurance, but I think they tend to ignore or "glance over" that particular aspect of the lease.  Any suggestions?  Thanks


 Hoi,

You as the owner, would source a renters insurance company that would give you a bulk discount of say $6/unit/month. You would then require residents to use the renters insurance provided by the community for a price of $10/month. The residents are then getting an affordable monthly renters insurance rate, your management team or yourself have everything in-house and in this instance you a profiting $4/unit/month.

Post: Hotel to multifamily?

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  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 261
  • Votes 143
Quote from @Alex Bro:

Possible deal I am looking to make happen with a rundown hotel. The issue is I don't see it viable as a hotel anymore, but the deal may still work if I can convert it to multifamily. Does anyone have experience doing so here in the San Antonio area?

Alex,

We are doing a hotel conversion in Tucson Arizona and are looking at this as an option in Phoenix. The big things to consider before purchase are the zoning, you want it zoned MF already or you could be sitting for a while waiting for this to be approved. The other is the plumbing, it is best to get properties that are already plumbed for a kitchen or have a pre- exisiting kitchenette. You can be the one to do this but you will want to calculate for a biggg number in your underwriting for the plumbing.

Post: 5 Things Every New Investor Should Do

Josh OatenPosted
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  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 261
  • Votes 143
Quote from @Jorge Abreu:
5 Things Every New Investor Should Do Before Investing In Their First Real Estate Syndication

When you first begin to consider real estate syndication as an investment option, it can feel lonely, intimidating, or even like you’re going in blindfolded.

We personally have experienced fears around investing in a property we have never seen, had concerns about how we would get our money back, and doubt around the inability to log into an account and see my money.

These fears were addressed head-on through research. Every article we read and every conversation we had built my certainty until we began to feel confident toward taking the plunge.

If you’re considering your first syndication and feeling hesitant, we recommend doing your research, connecting with other investors, reading through previous deals, and taking your time.

Do Your Research

The best way to build your investing confidence is through self-education and research. Listen to podcasts, read books, and find websites on real estate.

Books:

Rich Dad, Poor Dad by Robert Kiyosaki

It’s a Whole New Business by Gene Trowbridge

Principles of Real Estate Syndication by Samuel Freshman

Podcasts:

BiggerPockets Podcast

Best Real Estate Investing Advice Ever with Joe Fairless

The Real Wealth Show with Kathy Fettke


Ask Questions

Relevant Facebook groups and forums like BiggerPockets can help you learn what questions you should be asking.

It’s likely that other people have asked about your same concerns and, just by reading through the forum’s questions and answers, you’ll gain clarity.

Remember there are no dumb questions and that you have the right to be diligent about gathering answers to your concerns.

Connect with Other Investors

A successful investor needs a supportive community, and considering that syndication is a group investment, you’ll want to get networking.

Any new investors will share similar anxieties, questions, confusion, and excitement. Experienced investors can provide invaluable firsthand accounts of their experience with various projects and sponsors.

Find other investors through online forums like BiggerPockets, local networking events, or by asking sponsors if they’ll connect you to their current investors.

Review Previous Deals

Finding comfort with financial projections, summary data, and investment lingo may feel overwhelming.

As you review more investment summaries, you’ll start to understand the flow of the deal packages, how each sponsor communicates, and exactly which investments interest you.

Take Your Time

Each new investment opportunity fills up quickly. This can make new investors panic and start to believe they are missing the best deals. Remember, there will always be another opportunity.

Allow yourself time to complete the steps laid out here, so that when you make your syndication choice, you are confident about every step.

Considering Everything

If you take nothing else from this article, remember it’s completely normal to feel skeptical, anxious, and even timid when making your first syndication commitment.

The ability to take action is what separates the successful from those who give up.

Your first real estate syndication deal is a huge milestone in your investing journey, and, even though your head might be spinning now, this is a time to savor.

May I add a 6th, offer your services for free to those doing what you are wanting to do.

Post: Creative Multifamily Strategies for Other Income

Josh OatenPosted
  • Investor
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 261
  • Votes 143
Quote from @Jason Foxx:

What are some creative ways to get Additional Other Income from a high end multi family building? I may be running an 80+ unit in the near future.

Laundry is included in each unit. Ways that we already implement are storage, parking, certain fees, etc. 

I was thinking of possibly offering a unit cleaning service for interested tenants as a way to create additional income and cover the cost of common space cleaning. Vending machines and dry cleaning are other thoughts that came to mind.

Does anyone have recommendations?

Thanks,

Most have been mentioned.
Best ones are:
- Valet Trash
- Package Lockers
- Vending Machine (so long as it is not outside or accessible to outsiders. This can be a draw card for unwanted guests if not placed correctly)
- RUBs utility bill back, but I’m assuming this is already in place
- Internet/ Cable package that residents must use
- Renters insurance is another that you can make as a requirement for residents, similar to the internet/cable package.

Quote from @Brandon Beaudoin:

Good evening all you wealth creators!

We have been blessed with the opportunity to jump into a few apartment syndication deals over the last 6 months and I have a couple questions for the brain trust:

1. What are you doing with your cash distributions?

2. If saving your distributions, where are you saving them?

3. If reinvesting them, how are you reinvesting them?

Our immediate plans are to put them in *high* interest bearing MMAs and let them grow until exit but not sure that's the best option at present.

Any parting thoughts from some of the more experienced investors?

Thanks and happy hunting!

B

In general, our company along with our investors roll into our new deals as a 1031. Our deals are at a $50k min investment, 9% pref, +15% IRR and +5% COC.

Post: Apartment Unfair Water/Sewer Billing from the City

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  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 261
  • Votes 143
Quote from @Lucas Miles:

Purchased 2 small multifamily buildings in a very small rural town in Southern MN recently. The city is billing us $90 in base fees for every apartment (then in additional also a water usage rate), so 20 unit building we are getting billed $1800 + usage. There is also an assisted living retirement building in the town, the city is billing them only 1 $90 base rate for the entire building (not per apartment). Buildings are setup identical, 1 water meter in the building. We use 50k gallons of water is costs us ~$2000, they use 50k gallons of water they pay ~$200, obviously drastically unfair, (and extremely expensive for us) These are the only apartment type residences in the town. 

We have approached the city asking them to change this billing to make it fair/affordable, they declined saying the assisted living building is "grandfathered" in to pay the 1 base fee. 

Looking for any guidance for anyone that has dealt with a similar situation before, or if there are any legal precedence we can take. Thanks in advance!

Why don’t you attempt to reduce your general water use on property first? Do you have grass and irrigation running?

Second, why don’t you pass the water bills off to the tenants or at least 60-70%. You can have a Common Area fee and Utility charge?

Post: Getting started in multifamily investing

Josh OatenPosted
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  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 261
  • Votes 143
Quote from @Bob Bates:

I'm located in Salem, Oregon and am finding it difficult to locate multifamily properties particularly ones that cashflow. The MLS has only a few overpriced properties that roost for months. I've considered direct mail but my family property has been inundated with letters and cold calls which leaves me at a loss as to how to appear different than everone else.

Another question, should I be looking in other parts of the country with better value to rent ratios?  In this area the average multifamily is running $135k-$175k per door for rents of $1200/mo for a two bedroom.

Bob,

To me it all depends on what size apartments you are looking for/at.

I think right now the issue you are finding is across most of the major US markets. To me you are never going to find a good deal on the MLS because those are deals that have already been through multiple hands that have said no to them. Have you built any broker relationships yet? 

At a glance, the Salem market looks like a decent size and growing. If it is your first time, it may be best to find something local so you don’t have to travel if there are issues.