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All Forum Posts by: Jordan Ray

Jordan Ray has started 19 posts and replied 319 times.

Post: Typical time between tenants

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Quote from @Cj Powderhorn:

I have 10 SF and MF rentals in several areas, my concerns are with Cape Coral and Memphis. I use property managers in both places. I feel like I’ve seen a few recent issues and curious what other investors have seen.

1. I have duplex in Cape Coral. Rents b/t $1400-$1700 per side. One side was vacant from April to August! When I inquired about it, the manager told me, ‘the tenant had an issue moving out of their last place’. Then, I just saw a placement fee of $1275 charged by the management company. This is something I haven’t experienced before. I’m not calling out the company yet, as I want to make sure I’m not missing something. I’m almost wondering if they held this property, at my expense, for a friend or acquaintance. How is a 4 month vacancy ok?

2. Memphis. Wow. I’ve used several different PM’s here since 2005. I have had one favorite company. However, tenant moved out prior to July 1. I was given a get ready estimate between $3-$4K. Which, to me, should have been a pretty quick turn. I check in this property several times and wasn’t satisfied, as there was no progress. Property finally listed around Sep 6. But the turn cost exceeded $6K. There was no information shared prior to the increase.

These seem like really long vacancy periods and poor communication. I haven’t experienced it before. I know there are lots of Memphis and CC investors here and appreciate any help.

 I have also noticed an increase in the amount of time to find tenants but your PM should be on the move as soon as the tenant moves out. Give RiverTown Realty a try, I have been partnering with them for my investors and they are renting and moving fairy quickly with great communication! I would use them myself but I self manage my own properties.. That does help me find what I need in a PM referral partner though! Give them a shout, happy to provide you contact info and a direct piont of contact just shoot me a DM.

Post: CAP rates in Memphis, TN

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Quote from @Ricardo Serrano:

CrestCore has produced an awesome interactive website ranking the zip codes in Memphis. Is there similar information on Multi-family CAP rates on either zip codes or known areas in Memphis? I'm assumming that there are CAP variations within the City. Blessings !!!

Each property is going to have its variables throughout the city. These areas are very street-by-street and property-by-property. I am 100% a believer that each deal needs its own analysis. Now of course, you can look at the face value of some properties and pass it pretty easy, but I wouldn't pass on each deal this way. Best of luck investing!

Post: Property management in Memphis TN

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Quote from @Mirlyne Andre:

Good morning all, 

My name is Mirlyne .My husband and I are looking for to invest in Memphis , we are out of state and we are  actively looking for a good property management. We’ ve made some research and  spoke with couple of them however based on experience from investors on the ground we would like to hear from you and  any advice would be greatly appreciated. We plan when we found a deal to go visit first and meet the crew .Thank you!

Best 

Mirlyne.


You should try Patrick Burleson at RiverTown Realty! Let me know if you need their contact info.

Post: Looking for Recommendations on Hard Money Lenders in Memphis, TN

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Quote from @Taz Zettergren:

Craig Jennings over at Avalon Capital is one of the best in the business. 


You couldn't have said that better, Taz! I use them personally and they are not only the best but they have the best product out there! You can't find anything like it in any other market.

Post: Looking for Recommendations on Hard Money Lenders in Memphis, TN

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Quote from @Sylvester Hardison:

I am looking for hard money lenders in Memphis to finance a real estate investment project. If you know of any reliable lenders or have recommendations, please let me know. Your suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance!!

@Robert Bell

Post: Need advice regarding which areas to target for out of state investing

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Quote from @Muhammad Rehan:

Experts, I am looking for some pointers which areas to target for my 2nd rental property. I am based out of California.

$$ Range = max 250k

Down payment = max 25%

Goal = Positive cash flow

Below are the areas i have done some research on so far.

Fayetteville, NC 

Like the fact that there property taxes are low, hence the rental comps vs expenses (mortgage + property taxes + hoa + insurance etc) are kind of breakeven or slight positive cash flow is possible. Assuming 7.5% mortgage rate.

Pflugerville, TX

Property tax is high but austin suburbs seems to have potential of growth due to major techs moving in the area. Rental comps vs mortgage not quite giving positive cash flow with high rates.

I also have areas like memphis, columbus, oklahoma in mind but haven't done thorough research on these so far.

Can anyone advice what other areas (or best from the above list) to look for within my budget and goal in mind.

Appreciate any pointers and happy to connect with local agents/investors.


Goodmorning Muhammad & welcome to BiggerPockets! You can hit those numbers easier in Memphis, TN! Happy to jump on the phone with you to discuss strategy! Talk soon!

Post: Need Agent to do BPO and represent in Memphis

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Quote from @John S Lewis:

I have equitable interest in 2 parcels and need a BPO to determine fair value - these parcels are commercial/industrial and in EMP zone.  I also am looking for a rock star agent to sell these 2 parcels.  if you are willing and able to list an equitable interest property and/or have buyers please reach out.  


Hey John! I am happy to connect you with a commercial agent in Memphis that would be great for this! DM me

Post: Do you think the Austin market is still worth investing in right now?

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Quote from @Rene Hosman:

The average vacancy rate in Austin, TX is currently hovering around 15%.


The best thing to do is to chat with agents in any market to see what real estate investing model fits your vision! Happy to chat with anyone over the strategies I am seeing work in Memphis, TN!

Post: Recent REI nation experience?

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Quote from @Kevin Lee:

Hey all! I've been reading along and trying to absorb as much knowledge as I can in the last 4 years. I'm curious if anyone has had any dealings with REI nation lately? My main question is if these properties ended up cash flowing or gaining appreciation in the past few years? Would you use them again? Any information would be appreciated. Thank you!


Hey Kevin! I've heard REI Nation is a great company and I have sold them some deals and they have great folks over there! I would recommend chatting with many different contacts to see what fits your vision for real estate investing in Memphis because there are always pros & cons to every investing model and you should know what your options are! Happy to chat! Talk soon!

Post: Househack NY: The Astoria, Queens 2-family market in 2024

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Astoria, Queens: Two-Family Properties, good investment?

Intro

Astoria, Queens, has long been known for its culture, heavily influenced by European countries like Greece, Italy, Germany, Poland, Croatia, and other countries throughout the Eastern world. Many families, including my wife’s family, migrated here and laid roots in the early to mid-1900s.

In recent years, Astoria has become a popular destination for younger generations to dine, hang out, work, and live. I have had office space in Astoria for 5 out of my 7 years in the business and it remains my favorite place to work.

Newer developments present a wide range of opportunities, including:

  • Affordable housing rental units
  • New high-rise condominium buildings
  • Small boutique condo developments
  • Mixed-use buildings
  • 2-4 family new-construction residential properties
  • Film studios

Astoria’s high cost of living is akin to other neighborhoods in the ‘outer boroughs’ with Manhattan views or proximity to the island. Other neighborhoods like Astoria’s southern neighbor, Long Island City (LIC), Brooklyn’s Williamsburg & Dumbo, and the Bronx’s Mott Haven have seen similar patterns.

With the rising cost of homeownership and growing popularity, prospective property owners in this iconic neighborhood are understandably drawn to two-family residences during their home search.

Why this approach?

Well, if you are within walking distance of coffee shops, restaurants, and Astoria Park and just 20 minutes from NYC, only one thing can make homeownership more special.

Rental income.

Our loved ones, too… they’d make homeownership here very special. OK, that makes two things.

Tenants can account for about 40% of a 2-family property owner’s mortgage in Astoria, given average rents and median sale prices. While rents increase gradually each year, mortgage payments remain the same. With the area’s growing popularity, house hackers can have half of their mortgage paid by tenants in just a few years.

In this article, I will examine market trends to show how the two-family market in this landmark section of Northern Queens has fared over the last three years.

2-family Property Values in Astoria

Thus far in 2024, Astoria sellers seem to be anticipating a bit of a standstill on property value increases. This is understandable since we saw a 1% DECLINE in median sale price from 2022 to 2023. As seen below, the median Asking/Listing price for 2-family properties in Astoria is the same as it was last year.


So, how has this impacted sale prices?

Have values gone down since the asking prices have remained relatively unchanged over the last 6-12 months?

Not at all!

In fact, values are up over 11% for two-family properties in Astoria as shown in the median sales price so far in 2024. This increase in sale prices is happening despite the fact that there are more properties available this year.

Inventory and market demand for Astoria Duplexes

Year to date, we have matched 2022’s total of new listings. As of late July ‘24, 71 new 2-family listings have hit the market. This puts Astoria on pace to see 121 new listings by year’s end which would be a 53% increase from 2023’s total of 79 new listings.

This is what folks have been waiting for! More listings means more options to choose from and could mean better deals.

The latter seems out of reach as the market currently stands. One of the main reasons for prices soaring is real estate investor demand for 2-family properties. Properties are selling faster in 2024 than they were in 2023 by an average of 7 days. This is a solid indicator that sellers still remain in power within this high-demand neighborhood.

Can this trend continue? Will we continue to see properties sell 1-week faster than last year despite so many more properties coming on the market?

The Fall and Winter months typically see less activity than the Spring and Summer. We could see less homes come on the market as well as duplexes that sit for longer periods of time before going into contract. The outcome will depend on the consumer’s priorities. With the start of the school year, many residents are reluctant to pick up and move. Landlords/owners feel their rental apartment will be vacant for longer while others prefer to wait until more inventory arises in the warmer months.

Astoria Rentals

While New York City’s metro area as a whole, especially desirable areas like Astoria, is not considered to be a ‘cashflow’ market, there is upside to purchasing rental properties here.

Median rent prices have risen from 2022-2024 as follows:

  • Studio rents up 30%
  • 1-bedroom rents up 19%
  • 2-bedroom rents up 18.5%
  • 3-bedroom rents up 21%

* While 4+ bedroom rents have increased as well, the findings are insignificant due to limited data/inventory for this apartment type. Just 7 apartments with 4+ bedrooms have been rented over the last 2+ years.

So what does this mean for househackers in Astoria?

Assuming a 20% down payment on a median-priced 2-family ($1,450,000), househackers can have 37% of their mortgage payment covered by their 2-bedroom apartment tenants. If they choose to live in a smaller unit and rent out their 3-bedroom apartment instead, the househacker’s tenant will be paying about 45% of their mortgage payment.

While this still leaves househackers short of cash flowing during the initial years, there are significant benefits to consider.

Mainly:

  • Annual Depreciation (About $50,000 for 27.5 years)
  • Mortgage paydown
  • Ability to refinance and lower your payment when rates decrease
  • Ability to use tax deductions for rental property expenses
  • And More!...

*This is not tax advice! Please consult a tax professional for the most accurate information specific to your situation.

The Four Astorias

11105 Zip Code

Most of the 2-family inventory can be found in Astoria’s Northernmost section which falls within the 11105 zip code. So far this year, 31 duplexes have been placed on the market here. This area is found North of the Grand Central Parkway and extends from 49 Street going westward to Shore Blvd. As hinted by the streetname, Shore Blvd runs adjacent to the East River.

11103 Zip Code

The 11103 Zip code has boasted 20 new listings year to date, 2nd most in Astoria. Neighboring other Queens neighborhoods such as Woodside and Long Island City, this section of Astoria begins just south of the Grand Central Parkway and the 11105 zip code. Located within this area is one of Astoria’s most popular and busy streets - Steinway Street - which is home to shopping, restaurants, Hookah lounges, Bars, and hundreds of other small businesses.


11102 Zip Code

Coming in with the 3rd most duplexes listed in Astoria is the 11102 Zip Code. The most popular attraction here is the scenic Astoria Park. The park is located along the East River between Hells Gate Bridge and the RFK Bridge, formerly known as the Tri-borough Bridge, connecting Queens, Manhattan and the Bronx. This area is also known for its abundance of coffee shops, brunch spots and European dining venues.



11106 Zip Code

Astoria’s southern most section had the least amount of 2-family properties listed over the first half of the year with just 7 new duplexes. This is surprising given the fact that it is one of Astoria’s most densely populated areas. The 11106 zip code is home to Kaufman Studios which spans about 5 city blocks and has produced hit TV shows from Netflix, Showtime, Amazon, Starz, and NBC.


Astoria Duplex investment property: By the numbers

I hope you like spreadsheets! We used our good friend, Jon Schwartz’s, househack calculator to give you the best illustration of a duplex investment property in Astoria.

Click here to review the Astoria Duplex deal and feel free to make a copy so that you can change the numbers to fit a specific deal.

Why the househack calculator? It is the only calculator of its kind to help you determine: if househacking is a better investment than a traditional home purchase, how long to hold onto the investment before selling, how long to live in the property, and which unit to occupy.

If this will be a traditional rental property investment (not a househack), select ‘renter’ for all units under the Summary Tab’s ‘Property Information’ section.

Metrics used for the deal analysis:

The purchase price is based on the median sale price - $1,450,000

Unit bed/bath counts are based on the median 5 bed/3 bath counts for sold Astoria 2-family properties this year.

Projected rents are $3,200 and $3,900 respectively as shown in our median rents for 2 bedroom and 3 bedroom apartments.

Not included in the analysis is ADU income. Garden-level or street-level ADUs are common in New York multifamily properties. These are typically lower levels with separate entrances. In Astoria, these units can bring in an extra $2,000-2,500/month.

For more information on the spreadsheet that we used, follow Jon!

Challenges for investors in Astoria

As seen in the analysis/spreadsheet, achieving positive cash flow on a duplex will take at least 4 years. Whether you use a 20% down payment or a 50% down payment, this will be the case.

Some of the main reasons are that operating expenses, acquisition costs, and capital expenditures take a substantial amount of any would-be profits. The same can be said for investment properties in other locations… We can even make the argument that profits and cash flow in ANY business are limited in the first few years of operation.

Aside from a small or non-existent return on investment over the first 3 years, competition is another challenge in Astoria.

As illustrated in our “Days on Market” graph, demand seems to be stronger than last year. Although we have more listings available, we are seeing just how many folks were sitting on the sidelines the past few years in anticipation of more duplexes for sale.


How to compete in a competitive multifamily market

A couple of recommendations for tackling any market with strong demand:

  • - View properties promptly. Be the first, or one of the first, to visit a property once it is on the market.
  • - Be decisive. If it is a property worth pursuing, express your interest to your agent so that the due diligence and negotiation processes can begin.
  • - Submit a strong first offer. Catch the seller’s attention with a competitive offer that will at the very least, produce a counter offer. The goal is not to hit a bullseye on the first try but instead to stand out as a worthy counterpart so that you have the upper hand amongst competing offers and other prospective buyers.
  • - If a property owner has already received other offers, consider using an escalation clause.
  • - If a property has already been on the market for longer than the average DOM, consider an offer that has terms/conditions favorable to the owner while maintaining a purchase price amount that is favorable to you. I.e. purchasing a property as-is, inheriting cooperative tenants who are paying below-market rent, etc.


Outro

On the rise in Astoria, Queens are median rents, median sale prices and overall housing inventory. Demand for duplexes has kept up with supply and then some. As a result, two-family properties are selling faster than they were last year.

Despite increased inventory and new developments, the barrier of entry continues to rise making investing here more challenging. All 4 zip codes have something special to offer which makes it no surprise that it is one of New York’s most desirable neighborhoods.

If the recommendations shared here will not make this a feasible area to invest in today, consider neighborhoods closer to the 1% rule. The 1% rule is met when the annual income of an investment property is equal to or greater than 1% of the purchase price. Most of the neighborhoods with more favorable returns will be further from Manhattan.

As it currently stands, given median sales prices and median rents, Astoria’s duplexes do not meet the 1% rule. The ratio here is at .49%. East Elmhurst, a neighboring town located just East of Astoria, is at .57%. As you go further southeast to Jamaica, NY, you’ll reach .62%.

While the 1% rule is not commonly met in New York, you can still use the formula to get a sense of which areas will allow you to reach positive cashflow more quickly and abundantly.

Long-term thinking goes hand in hand with buy & hold rental property investing. It is imperative to adopt this approach/mindset/strategy in areas where cash flow is almost a half-decade away.

When investing here, think long-term. The hold period in prime areas like Astoria is usually longer than other areas. This is why we see relatively low inventory here when compared to Queens and Brooklyn neighborhoods that are further from Manhattan.

Many properties here have been owned for multiple generations and that says A LOT! It means that local residents value their community and want to be part of it for decades to come.

Happy Investing and thanks for reading!


Memphis, TN is where its at!