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All Forum Posts by: Jordan Ray

Jordan Ray has started 18 posts and replied 315 times.

Post: New investors getting Stuck on list price

Jordan Ray
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Quote from @Bruce Woodruff:

Good advice! You would think that this would be obvious, but it's not (for newbies)

And don't be afraid to p*ss off the seller....on the last house I bought, I offered $60k less, and the sellers got irritated/insulted and refused to even counter. Fast forward a few months and guess what I got the property for? Yep.... that exact same price.

So, yes, offer what your budget allows and if the seller says no, just move on. But you have to be somewhat reasonable, meaning don't offer $100k on a $500k house :-)


Exactly! The main reason I made this post is because I find myself saying this to new clients multiple times a week. It's like a common reminder I am always verbalizing with new investors. Once they learn this 1 simple thing. They become "savvy investors" in my opinion. 

Post: New investors getting Stuck on list price

Jordan Ray
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I wanted to create this post to help the newer investors in the forums. I work with tons of investors, both local and out of state and 1 very common problem I see that is holding new investors back from getting a deal is 1 simple thing... getting stuck on the list price. Remember that we make offers in real estate and if you want to buy a property but don't find that the numbers work at the list price. Don't pass on it right away. This is not Kroger where there is price tag to buy milk. You can't make an offer on Milk at Kroger (Unfortunately). Make an offer at numbers that make sense for your investment strategy. You never know what a seller is going to accept until you ask! 1 very common thing in Memphis is that almost ALL property is listed too high for numbers to make sense.. and if its listed at numbers that work, then it creates a multiple offer situation and investors end up paying more than they need to. Stop getting discouraged and changing markets. That where your agents boots on the ground expertise comes in to land you actual deals. I get excited when new investors finally figure this out because their first deal then becomes a matter of when. This is a numbers game. Make offers until you land a deal. Hope this helps and its time for all the new investors on the sidelines to get in your chosen market and start making offers!

Post: Fannie Mae 5% Down Multifamily Loan for out of state purchase

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Quote from @Kiyana Hancock:

Greetings from Los Angeles, CA!

I’ll be brief. I am extremely outpriced in my market, and I am a first time home buyer. I am looking to purchase a multifamily out of state. Most likely Indiana. I am pursuing Fannie Mae’s 5% Down Multifamily Loan. I know the loan requires you to live in one of the properties for at least 1 year. I currently hold two jobs in LA and was hoping to manage the property remotely. I can offer more than 5% down. And also, would I have to be employed in the state that I am applying for this loan? The loan officer that has been coaching me is saying that I would have to show proof of employment in the state I purchase the property in. Anyone have ANY experience with this loan type? Is this loan possible for an out-of-state purchase?


Kiyana, you should be very careful because it looks like you are trying to commit loan fraud which could ruin your investing career. I would not be trying to buy a property and say your going to "Live in it" when you are not. That's a huge deal and could result in Federal jail time. 

Post: Property in a Conservatorship

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Quote from @Jamie Parker:

This past weekend I was driving with my mom and daughter looking at properties in the Memphis Area. Cutting to the meat of the situation, I came across a property that looked like a fixer upper, typical investment grade property. Could use some work, good bones. Fast forward, I called the agent this morning. I informed the agent that I was a wholesaler. I was informed that the property is held in a conservatorship. While the Agent mention that the seller would prefer no assignment, to which I acknowledged. 

If the seller accepts the offer, (contingent on appraisal[as per court approval requirement]), How should i proceed in the situation. Can I just birddog the situation, step out the way, bring the buy and asking for a referral? or partner with a buyer for a flip? 

Just curious has anyone been a situation like this before. 


I would just treat it like a normal deal if the numbers make sense. The problem you will have is the fact you would be assigning the contract. Not sure if the court would approve it unless you had a buyer lined up before getting to court. Goodluck!

Post: Your experience with Student Housing

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Quote from @Desiree Doubrox:

HI There;

There are two properties built in 1894 located in South Orange, New Jersey. 
Blocks away from Seton University, one with 11 bedrooms and 4 baths and the other with 14 bedrooms and 4 baths.

Both show signs of deferred maintenance but one more so than the other.  The couches and other furnature are outside on the porch, trash piled up, broken floor tiles and unkept yard. 

The sellers says it's just college boys and that's to be expected.

He's currently getting good rents...as unbelievable as it may seem and if cleaned/fixed up it could make more as well as increase the value of the property.

We own several coworking/coliving properties in the US and Mexico, so we are used to hospitality and properties out of state.

However, my questions are;

Is this a norm for college students, or student housing? 
Will they continue paying market rent for a mismanaged property. 
Are there great property managers that specialize in student housing properties?
Is a shared bathroom common or should we add more?
Are they profitable?

Student housing would be new for us and it may be better for us to stay in our lane, but... you never know.

Thanks for your feedback!

Desiree


I have seen this same exact thing in Memphis TN in properties located near the University of Memphis so my personal opinion is to stay away unless you can still buy the property where the numbers make sense. Be conservative and don't rely on young adults to pay their rent. Let's flip this around a bit as well. Let's say you did buy the property and the students decided to pay the rent and everything was great... would this property have a good exit if you needed to sell it like this?... Probably not. That seller will tell you anything to get you to buy that property but I can assure you there are better deals than this. Hope that helps!

Post: contractor is threatening to take me to court

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Quote from @Marc Shin:

I've been working with a contractor on some renovations and they are threatening to take me to court.  We do not have any signed contracts in place.  What we have is a good spreadsheet with a list of tasks, and as they perform the tasks, I've been paying him via Zelle.  I did not pay him the final amount (less that $2K) because he did not finish the job according to my satisfaction.  Can he really take me to court when we do not have any contract in place?   I live out of state from my property. What should I do?

I would just go ahead and pay him the $2,000 and get it in writing that he will not pursue you going forward and then set better systems & expectations in place to avoid this problem in the future, lesson learned. I personally have my contractor sign a "Independent Contractor Agreement" and I will have it specify the dollar amount of the renovations in the agreement and attach the scope of work to it. I will also specify that any additional work must be approved in writing. I also am sure to collect W9's from my contractors to make sure they don't try to not pay taxes on the money I paid them to get over on me that way.

Post: "Which out-of-state cities are good for investing now?"

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Quote from @Celine Li:

Hi everyone,

My name is Celine, and I live in Los Angeles. I've been learning about real estate investing and am ready to take action on my first out-of-state property using the BRRRR method (with plans for short-term rentals). I have enough cash to invest and am considering cities like Indianapolis, IN; Cincinnati, OH; Cleveland, OH; Atlanta, GA; and Charlotte, NC.

I’m looking to purchase houses around $300K, with the intention of fixing them up. For experienced out-of-state investors, where have you invested? Which cities and areas do you think have the greatest potential for appreciation?

Thanks in advance for sharing your insights!


Hey Celine, from my understanding its very difficult to grow a portfolio of short term rentals using the BRRRR method as an out of state investor. The biggest challenge is finding a team you can trust that will run the business for you because its not passive at all. I haven't heard of any property managers in any market that will manage your short term rentals but I could be wrong. Let me know if you have any interest in LTRs and I could help you find plenty of BRRRR deals with under $100K in Memphis, TN. Best of luck to you!

Post: Newbie & long distance

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Quote from @Radhika S.:

Hi!

I am starting out newbie, have young kids, have been a homemaker, but now want to do more for the family financially while also being available for my family. After reading & researching, I have decided to take the real estate route, read 'Rental Property Investing" and came out with the plan to buy single family homes LTR cash flow. I live in California, but being the market it is, I want to invest outside. I have garnered a 50K to get started, I am having difficulty choosing markets, although I have shortlisted it to be a 'landlord friendly state". It looks so wide and vast, I am overwhelmed and don't know where to start. I have been reading the forums out here but how should I narrow down to that one market?

I also tried biggerpockets/wheretostart, but for some reason the .xls would constantly keep opening skype files. What am I doing wrong here?

What should be my next step to narrow down and research?

I am also beginning to talk to CPAs and attorneys, but not sure What all questions I should have cleared at a minimum, to confidently take the big step.

I may be over thinking, but I think it is also the cautious me who does not want to screw up financially in my desire to help the family financially.

The 1st step would be to slow down and just focus on finding a market. Try using the BiggerPockets "Market finder" and see where that brings you and then just talk with agents in the market you pick and narrow down these options by relying on market local contacts to guide you. Continue to do your research and also ask ChatGPT questions as well as I have been finding Ai to be super useful for research lately. Hope that helps! Goodluck investing!

btw you can buy at least 2 properties in Memphis TN with $50K using the BRRRR method. Let me know if you would like to chat about this!

Post: When to get a property manager

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Quote from @Mike Sfera:

If I'm a first time rental investor, will I be able to hire a property manager to help me with research, etc. prior to getting my first property or will they only work with you if you already have a property?


I would say that it depends on the PM, I personally have a great connection with my local property manager in Memphis, TN and he manages over 700 doors and still answers my clients property management specific questions as the broker/owner.

Post: RE Lawyer local to property state best practice?

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Quote from @Samer Jaber:

Hi BP Community,

I’m looking into my first out-of-state multi-family partnership with someone that already has experience in the local market and connections to the operational teams required to make out of state investing successful. I am debating using my local lawyer vs. finding a lawyer in the state where the property is located. Is it too much of a hurdle for the Local, Esq. to review the local law? Obviously this depends on whether Local, Esq. is willing to do it (and whether there is a state-specific bar requirement just for this type of work), but I want an outside perspective first.

Thanks,

Looking in Baltimore


Hey Samer, are you exploring Markets?