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All Forum Posts by: Jon Shoop

Jon Shoop has started 1 posts and replied 103 times.

Post: Should I buy the property in my name or under LLC if its a BRRRR

Jon ShoopPosted
  • Property Manager
  • Dallas, TX
  • Posts 109
  • Votes 79

This has been a very informative post! Thank you to everyone who has contributed.

Post: Help on finding my second property

Jon ShoopPosted
  • Property Manager
  • Dallas, TX
  • Posts 109
  • Votes 79
Originally posted by @Julio Garcia:

Depends, HOA fee's are variable when it comes to effecting income. I'd stay away. upside is places that have HOA fee's tend to be more taken care of

you also might want to look and see if the HOA will allow you to rent it out, some don't.

I agree with this assessment. HOA's can sometimes (rarely?) be a blessing but can be a huge pain and issue. Plus, some HOA's limit the number of rental units allowed in the HOA at one time. So if they only have 10 rentals at a time in the HOA, and you're inbetween tenants with 9 spots filled in the HOA, and someone else gets their unit rented before you, you'll be stuck with no income on the property as the HOA will not allow there to be 11 rentals in this example. - Hope that made sense.

In Dallas, Fort Worth, DFW, etc. we have some HOA's that are very stringent and so they can be a difficulty for homeowners to deal with and be the mediator between the HOA and the tenant.


The owner is ultimately responsible for paying any HOA violations and so our company gets brought in a lot to help an owner with their rental in an HOA neighborhood or set of homes.

Best of luck!

Post: Top Reasons to Invest In The San Antonio Market. Any other faves?

Jon ShoopPosted
  • Property Manager
  • Dallas, TX
  • Posts 109
  • Votes 79

Great post! 

But one thing to note is that doesn't take into account the zipcode area around Dallas county that includes DFW. Not including Tarrant county into that stat doesn't represent Fort Worth's growth. Denton and Collin, which are the two counties north of Dallas county are growing a lot as well. I'd like to see those stats individually or cumulatively, I think that would be a very interesting statistic. 

Go Texas Real Estate, Go!

Post: Struggling with Price and Timeline, When do I Invest?

Jon ShoopPosted
  • Property Manager
  • Dallas, TX
  • Posts 109
  • Votes 79
Originally posted by @Haley Powell:
Originally posted by @Jon Shoop:

Hi Haley! That is certainly the age-old dilemma. Something that I've learned from property management, is that a lot of times, the higher priced rental homes take much longer than the $1k-2k range. Like significantly more. And that can definitely eat into your year-long returns on a rental property. So don't sweat so much not being able to get an expensive home right now. That's not always the case, as we got an expensive home in Keller rented within 2 weeks of listing. 

Since you are downtown I'll make a couple suggestions: 

Have you looked into duplexes around White Rock Lake? I think anything on the West side of the lake you are good on for your commute. The east side you'd probably want to stick to the lower half of the lake. I have a client who is doing exactly what you are looking to do: live in half a duplex and house hack the other half - granted she's using property management services so she really doesn't have to interact or deal with the next door neighbor in case something goes south. She lives in the M streets at a not too expensive duplex. 

Another option is to find and refurb a distressed home. My company owner does this all the time for clients and we have really good success and the client-owner's have all been very pleased and gotten good rent returns. When I was looking for my first home, I found a bunch of distressed properties off Mockingbird towards the lake.

A third option would be to go to the Bishop Arts District or one of the up and coming areas in South Dallas that is becoming gentrified. 

Hope that helped!

Hey Jon! 

These are great suggestions! I haven't come across any duplexes around WRL but I will definitely make a point to look now! I've found one in north Oak Cliff and when I looked at the neighborhood basically the whole street was duplexes! Sadly there was only one for sale, but I'll keep my eye on that area. 

Theoretically, I'm not opposed to rehabbing a property but I don't have a lot of knowledge in that arena or a lot of cash on hand. My concern is that I'm going to get neck deep on a property and realize I had vastly underestimated the money it required or get hosed by a contractor. I do really like the idea of adding value to the property, though. I feel fairly confident about saving up for cosmetic fixes, but we do a fair number of reno's in my field (landscape architecture) and there's always something funky you can't foresee that usually takes a bite out of the budget. I hope to be able to do full rehabs in the future when I have more money to spend and more experience under my belt.

To your third point, most of what I'm finding right now is coming up in South Dallas or West Dallas. I've been to a few properties and I wasn't impressed with the quality of the rehab. Some of the new builds were pretty disappointing as well. These impressions wouldn't be deal breakers if the location was great, but most of the ones in South Dallas were in neighborhoods I didn't feel comfortable or welcome in. West Dallas was a bit better, but what made me second guess those was if I'd be able to make a return after "fixing" the rehab. I wasn't sure the area would command the rent I'd need, I could be wrong. But Bishop Arts seems like a great choice, I'll definitely keep a lookout!

Thank you for your response! It's given me a lot to think about!

You're welcome! I'm glad you found it helpful. I think to the first point, just need to be patient and I think you can find what you're looking for in the WRL area. 

The second point, yeah I agree. Sometimes we can definitely get in over our heads. But maybe you stumble upon that shabby looking rarity that doesn't have any major needs or issues, or get connected with a good contractor... luck plays a role in those.

Third point, agreed! 

Post: Dallas - Obtaining Permit

Jon ShoopPosted
  • Property Manager
  • Dallas, TX
  • Posts 109
  • Votes 79
Originally posted by @Katie Anderson:

There’s no need to hire a general contractor for the sole purpose of permitting; although I don’t understand why your contractor wouldn’t be unwilling to obtain a home repair license. I think it’s $120/year. That is unless they don’t have general liability, which is something you’ll want to consider. You will need to make sure any plumbing and electrical work is done by a licensed trade. Not sure the whole scope but you might not even need to permit except for the structural changes you mentioned. Here some info from the city:

Does a contractor need to be licensed to do work on my home?
Any Plumbing or Mechanical contractor doing work on an individual’s home is required by the Texas Plumbing License Law or the Texas Mechanical License Law to have a license to work on that home. This license is required even if the scope of the work doesn't require a permit and inspection.

Electrical work must be performed by a licensed electrician.

A license is not required for general building work on your own property.

What kind of work can I do on my own home?
Electrical work must be performed by a licensed electrician unless the homeowner can prove to the Chief Electrical Inspector that they have the knowledge and expertise to perform the electrical work on their own home. Permits, unless exempted by Chapter 52 of the Dallas Building Code, are required for electrical work.

Under the Texas Homestead Act, Texas Plumbing License Law and Texas Mechanical License Law, a person who owns, occupies and has homesteaded the home where the work is to be performed is exempted from the requirement of having a licensed person do the work and may do any kind of plumbing or mechanical work on his/her homestead themselves. The work performed by a homeowner requires a permit (when required by Chapter 52 of the Dallas Building Code) and inspection (if required). If no permit or inspection is required, the homeowner is required to comply with the plumbing/mechanical code.

A homeowner may perform general building work on their own property after obtaining all of the proper permits.
Compliance with the Dallas codes is required on all types of work as well as obtaining the appropriate inspections.

 Some great information here! I may need to get some good contractor references for work in DFW, Dallas and Fort Worth. 

On another note, I don't think I would be using someone who isn't fully insured and licensed. I'm sure the work is cheaper from someone who doesn't have those coverages but...

Post: Struggling with Price and Timeline, When do I Invest?

Jon ShoopPosted
  • Property Manager
  • Dallas, TX
  • Posts 109
  • Votes 79

Hi Haley! That is certainly the age-old dilemma. Something that I've learned from property management, is that a lot of times, the higher priced rental homes take much longer than the $1k-2k range. Like significantly more. And that can definitely eat into your year-long returns on a rental property. So don't sweat so much not being able to get an expensive home right now. That's not always the case, as we got an expensive home in Keller rented within 2 weeks of listing. 

Since you are downtown I'll make a couple suggestions: 

Have you looked into duplexes around White Rock Lake? I think anything on the West side of the lake you are good on for your commute. The east side you'd probably want to stick to the lower half of the lake. I have a client who is doing exactly what you are looking to do: live in half a duplex and house hack the other half - granted she's using property management services so she really doesn't have to interact or deal with the next door neighbor in case something goes south. She lives in the M streets at a not too expensive duplex. 

Another option is to find and refurb a distressed home. My company owner does this all the time for clients and we have really good success and the client-owner's have all been very pleased and gotten good rent returns. When I was looking for my first home, I found a bunch of distressed properties off Mockingbird towards the lake.

A third option would be to go to the Bishop Arts District or one of the up and coming areas in South Dallas that is becoming gentrified. 

Hope that helped!

Post: River Oaks, North West of downtown Fort Worth

Jon ShoopPosted
  • Property Manager
  • Dallas, TX
  • Posts 109
  • Votes 79
Originally posted by @Travis Fairbairn:

@Jon Shoop

I’ve spent the last decade living in Roanoke! I love Roanoke, it’s my adopted home town. But those townhomes off the Oak St are expensive.

 They are. But they're nice looking! If they had a pool they'd be ideal. Not that Hawaiian Falls is far away but still... Need a pool at a nice place like that in DFW. 

Post: DFW advice, looking for neighbourhood to start investing

Jon ShoopPosted
  • Property Manager
  • Dallas, TX
  • Posts 109
  • Votes 79

I would start looking in the outskirts like the suburbs of DFW. Or the more run down areas inside of Dallas, Fort Worth, or Arlington.

Post: River Oaks, North West of downtown Fort Worth

Jon ShoopPosted
  • Property Manager
  • Dallas, TX
  • Posts 109
  • Votes 79

There's a few places on the outskirts of Ft. Worth and Dallas that are becoming like this. Lot's of growth of new properties! There's even some townhomes being built in Roanoke for example. I'll have to check out the River Oaks area. It looks and sounds nice! What other areas do you like?

Post: Best Place to Invest in DFW Texas Area?

Jon ShoopPosted
  • Property Manager
  • Dallas, TX
  • Posts 109
  • Votes 79
Originally posted by @Andrew Threet:
Originally posted by @Jon Shoop:
Originally posted by @Rob Lee:

Arlington/Fort Worth would definitely be your area of focus. DFW does not have a large number of small multifamily properties.  Our current market has pretty low inventory right now. It's a very competitive environment. Every property is getting multiple offers. The key is to be ready to execute when you see what you want. As you probably know, offers without a prequalification letter will not be considered. Good luck in your search.

 I agree with Rob. Dallas and North Dallas are probably out of your price range if you want good returns. I might even look towards Forney but Ft. Worth and areas west I think are hotter than east of Dallas.

Thanks for the input Jon, I don't think I've looked into much of Fourney yet but I've looked into Fort Worth. My biggest concern with that is just finding an area in Fort Worth that is still in a good enough neighborhood to attract the right kinds of tenants. Any suggestions on which areas of Fort Worth I should be paying attention to? 

 Probably the suburban areas then like Argyle, Roanoke, Benbrooke, Weatherford.