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All Forum Posts by: Jonah Slove

Jonah Slove has started 15 posts and replied 60 times.

Post: Time to sell?

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Quote from @James Hamling:
Quote from @Jonah Slove:
Quote from @James Hamling:

@Jonah Slove I can't believe people would be so callous to say "don't sell" on a $1.3m property getting $2,500mnth in rent.    I guarantee not a single one of them would pay $1.3m for a property getting $2,500mnth in rent. I and most wouldn't even pay $500k. 

So it's a NO BRAINER, SELL! 

And if you don't have a need for the cash right now, be smart, 1031 it into something else. Something with better ratios of rent to price which will be VERY easy at this point compared to what you have now. 

I suggest to keep things simple. I'd buy new, keep it around median home price, think median rent's, a place people want to live and would be happy to pay rent to live. Simple. Keep it simple. Feel free to go 50% down, but use some leverage, enjoy a tenant making pay-down for you. 


 Ya thanks, it seems like a no brainer. Just having a tough time exploring what else is out there. My direct market isnt the norm as you can see. I would love to chat and hear what kind of strategy you would recommend. Thanks

Happy to chat, feel free to DM. 

For persons in general similar position, wondering "where do I go, what should I jump into" is the WORST way you can try to answer this, looking at all the various market's and deployment potentials first. 

What SHOULD be doing is starting with self-inventory. What your capabilities and expectations are. Are you ok with doing maintenance, or not? How much annual reinvestment in maintenance and cap-x is "ok"? Define this perimeter.     Are you ok with tenant issues or not? How much? Is greater of lessor potential of dealing with an eviction ok?     What is expectations of profit returns? No, DONT make it a per month number that's novice to point of grade-school, set a whole $ amount by yr 5 that is upward desire and minimum required. 

When you START with this self-inventory of capabilities and expectations, than we can take this list and map what it target's. It will define what property and tenant class are viable, what market's, rent ranges and unit pricing. It will even map out market's of viability. 

And than, it will tell one the criteria to weigh by, but what the viable options are so it becomes a choice between viable options instead of randomly saying "oh, which of the 14,000 potential market's do I explore". 

It's an action of using focus vs random chance. 

Generally today what I see for one of the greatest opportunity "zones" is in AAA strategy. Working in path-of-progress, sweat-heart terms from developers attaining sub-market rates, superior inventory, leading to superior tenancy and done correctly, superior returns. 

This market cycle is NOT on where a person looks to "buy a pay-check" which is exactly what one is doing when looking to buy some big cash-flow day 1. The vast majority of time what one get's is a big reoccurring operational expense to match. 

Keep in mind how active or passive you want to be or can be, are you a Landlord OR an Investor, they are 2 very different things that are the most jumbled skewed lines in business by novices/public in mass. 


 Makes a lot of sense. I really enjoyed reading through that Cash flow thread I saw you on. That really changed my perception of expectations. Sending you a DM. Thanks!

Post: Time to sell?

Jonah Slove
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Quote from @James Hamling:

@Jonah Slove I can't believe people would be so callous to say "don't sell" on a $1.3m property getting $2,500mnth in rent.    I guarantee not a single one of them would pay $1.3m for a property getting $2,500mnth in rent. I and most wouldn't even pay $500k. 

So it's a NO BRAINER, SELL! 

And if you don't have a need for the cash right now, be smart, 1031 it into something else. Something with better ratios of rent to price which will be VERY easy at this point compared to what you have now. 

I suggest to keep things simple. I'd buy new, keep it around median home price, think median rent's, a place people want to live and would be happy to pay rent to live. Simple. Keep it simple. Feel free to go 50% down, but use some leverage, enjoy a tenant making pay-down for you. 


 Ya thanks, it seems like a no brainer. Just having a tough time exploring what else is out there. My direct market isnt the norm as you can see. I would love to chat and hear what kind of strategy you would recommend. Thanks

Post: Cleveland OR Toledo?

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How is the rental market? Average tenant term?

Post: Possible Owner Carry

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Quote from @Nicholas L.:

Nah, it's the same everywhere.  It IS hard to get started.  It's a grind.

I don't like this as a first time deal and I don't think the numbers work.


 What don't you like and can you break down the numbers scenario you are using? Appreciate the feedback, good practice for me.

Post: Possible Owner Carry

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Ya I hear that. The sale price well below the market value is appealing. It seems like potentially a good deal! I am looking for a few deals to get started with but not having success in my area. Idaho is a different market than I see most people posting about.

Post: Possible Owner Carry

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Quote from @Nicholas L.:

Is it 100K below market value because it needs 100K worth of work?


 No from what I've seen it looks clean. 100k off so he can stay on the property. He can also be property manager.

Post: Wholesaler in Idaho

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Hey y'all, I'm looking for a wholesaler in Idaho. Anywhere in the state, let's connect!

Post: Possible Owner Carry

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Found a FSBO SFR that the owner is selling 100k, or so, below market value. He sent me the appraisal from 6 months ago for $370k and CMA's are around $350k. He is asking $270k with the agreement that he can continue to live in his camper trailer on the back portion of the lot for 10 years. If I sell the property before 10 years I own him $10k per year.

The property currently rents for $1700 with a long term tenant who wants to stay, and he hasn't raised rent in 2-3 years. How does this sound?

I have cash and HELOC available to make this a cash deal and was pre-approved with 20% down. What other options make sense? I would like to pull most of my cash out ASAP. Would a hard money lender loan 75% of the appraised value? If bought with cash either mine or HML is there a seasoning period or could I cash out refi ASAP? What other options are out there?

Post: Fix and Flip Investor or Hard Money

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@Brandy Luna congratulations on being able to save $30k.  That's a HUGE success.  That shows you have discipline and the ability to budget.  Both of those are skills you will need your entire investment career.  

Now, it sounds crazy to think that $30k isn't that much money.  I mean, it's a LOT of money but it does make some things challenging.  

So, what can you do with $30k?  You can buy your own primary home.  You can buy a multi-family primary home.  You can househack that home or just live in it for 1 year, and then buy another primary home a little later.  Not everybody can do this strategy...especially if you have kids, family, etc. but if you can, now you are buying with the help of a realtor, your home is inspected, you can negotiate with the seller on things, and you get the best rate you can find.  So, there are good things about going this route.

What else can you do? You can absolutely, most certainly flip....but you have to be really accurate on your math. When you flip you need to be within 5% of your ARV. You need to be within 10% of your rehab costs....and you do both of those steps BEFORE you make your offer.  The other thing you do before you make your offer is you find a hard money lender that will allow you to come out of pocket $0.  None of this "we lend 100% of the purchase and 80% of the rehab" stuff.  I mean, you can work with whomever you want to of course...but the way the rest of us do this is we find a lender that will allow $0 out of pocket.  Usually they lend 70% of the ARV (that's the math we want).  That way, if I can BUY and REHAB at 70% of the ARV...now I come out of pocket $0!  Ok, so you'll have to turn on the utilities and pay the monthly payments on the loan, etc.  But what I mean is to have no downpayment.  Admittedly, finding a property where you can get that math to work is hard...but so is everything real estate investing related.  I make about 100 offers to get 2 deals.  So, you might have to stick with it for a while.

And you can certainly partner with people too. I would only do this lastly though.  Well, at least not until you feel REALLY comfortable with someone. Like, you know them for a year or something. The best way to meet other investors is through local Real Estate Investing (REI) Groups. Try some local real estate meetup groups. Meetup.com is a good resource for those but some of the groups will also post here on Bigger Pockets Marketplace too. Even facebook might have some good local groups for you.

I know I'm hitting these real quick but those are the concepts at least.  Hope all of that makes sense.  Thanks!


can you share your HML for $0 out of pocket? I talked with a few and its 25% down or using the purchase value not the ARV.

Post: Time to sell?

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Quote from @David Fern:

Since I have 2 daughters, I will chime in here with perhaps an unpopular take. Forgive me if my thoughts are off point. 

It has already been mentioned, and I agree, that this would come across better if your fiancé were the one asking for advice, since it’s her money. With the way this is being presented, it feels like you’re talking about her money as your money. You’re not married. You might be the greatest guy in the world with the greatest intentions, but if this were my daughter’s fiancé making this post, I would have significant concerns. She would be taking a massive unwise risk by doing this in a fiancé status. 

How about you guys get married, have a good honeymoon, get on the same page legally + financially, and then bring this back into discussion. Seems a bit rushed. Especially with times being so volatile and the fact that you haven’t tied the knot yet. Tons of people out there making huge financial house selling/buying decisions before getting married and getting burned.


David, she is reading right along with us. We are on the same page. This is not happening in the near future, nor without legal counsel from somewhere besides the internet. We are trying to learn what options may be best for us as a family. Thanks for your concern...