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All Forum Posts by: Jonah Slove

Jonah Slove has started 12 posts and replied 49 times.

Post: IRR calculator - expected returns podcast

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Sparked by this weeks BP podcast on expected returns, I am looking for an IRR calculator. Can someone share what they use please.


What are you trying to calculate for your IRR? I would just use excel and create your own. You can use the IRR formula or XIRR formula.


 Ok thanks. I am reading Matt's article linked to the show notes and that explains building a spreadsheet, just thought I wouldn't reinvent the wheel.

I am looking to calculate various properties return beyond just COC. Currently I am looking at one that would barely cashflow as a LTR but it's in a great area and purchased subto with 2.75%. I am also looking at wrapping it.

Post: IRR calculator - expected returns podcast

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Sparked by this weeks BP podcast on expected returns, I am looking for an IRR calculator. Can someone share what they use please.

Post: Farm Development Project

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Hey BP,

I posted a little about this project in another thread but wanted to post an update here. This other thread was more focused on the initial subdivision and purchasing process.  https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/12/topics/1136927-land-...

I run a small organic farm in Victor, ID. 30 min from Jackson Hole and close to Grand Targhee ski resort in Idaho. I recently closed on the purchase of 12 acres with the help of a family loan, and the farm service agency ( 1.5% for 20 years). Now I am in the early stages of development.

I am working with a consulting firm to help with a concept plan, engineering, and to get the city to sign off on everything. I will create 6 residential lots that I will be able to sell off and then, ideally, own the remaining property free and clear or close to. I plan to use a HELOC for the improvements to create lots with improvements.

My plan for the rest of the parcel, now roughly 7 acres, is to built a primary home for my family, and to put in 5-6 cabins. These can be STR or LTR. Both have perks and strong demand here. I am working to build out some models for each but I don't have a clear idea of the route forward for construction or long term financing. I imagine the home I can use a construction loan or my heloc again to complete and then get a traditional mortgage as that will be on its own lot, but the cabins will all be on a large lot containing the farm itself. What type of lender or product should I consider? How will they value the land so I can look at LTV and other metrics when modeling my financials?

Post: Land with ADUs

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I am working on an agritourism project with a primary home for myself and additional 5-6 or so cabins that will be BTR or ADUs. P and Z  is on board as this will increase the financial  sustainability of my small farm.

Post: Land Purchase and Subdivision Process

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seems high. this town is very expensive so bids are always highs.

For the residential I plan to just build lots.

For the farmstead area our plan is to build our primary home and then 5 smaller cabins for rentals.

That road above is a smaller access road to the little cabins. They will not be in a separate lot but a larger farmstead parcel. This property also has a lengthy set of covenants that go along with the purchase agreement. The former owner sold to me because I run the community farm and he wants to insure the farm stays active.

Post: Land Purchase and Subdivision Process

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Update: We closed on this property and went ahead with the short plat process to create the new 12 acre parcel! I was also approved for the FSA loan at 1.5% :)

Now I am working with a planning and engineering firm to create the concept plans and stamped drawings for the full subdivision. Their proposal was for $40k but not sure I have any other local options.

Post: Lender needed - lease option for pre approval

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Hey BP,


I am looking to buy a property using a contract for deed where the existing mortgage stays in place. The seller is moving and wants to purchase again. I suggested a lease option. Are there any lenders in TN that can use a lease to pre approve a buyer in this scenario. Credit and income are strong.

Post: Investing in Toledo

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@Dave Dumoulin Hey thank you for focusing on Toledo Dave!

Defining the class of the neighborhoods is the tough one to start that grade C out for...I have some clients unused to the mid-west who are used to high-end suburbs who consider our better areas a B- area.

Personally, I classify the C- anything I verify I have easy access to my spare magazine before I enter a vacant property. B grade property walks are attended by my children to run around and tell me which bedrooms they would pick if it was their home.

43605, 43608, 43609 are the popular zipcodes for bottom-budget value purchases...I manage a ton in these areas and my personal portfolio contained over 40 43608 properties at the peak. 

20% of these properties will be crazy money earners, 20% will be astounding money pits, and 60% will fare average.

I have evolved into the nicer 43612/43613 for my personal portfolio and find the properties earn consistently and far smoother than my 43608 houses. ($80k renting for $1200 vs $40k renting for $800 multiplied by the ratio above vs boring consistency of the nicer area) 

Oh and I have zero excitement for apartments. I have been investing in Toledo, OH since 2009 and owned 2-12 unit buildings and find they are way too hyped (read lots of guys from BP want to pay too much for them) and the reality is residents in Toledo are ultimately seeking a house with a yard and a garage so as soon as a resident improves their financial situation they move into a house. Additionally Section 8 owns a ton of apartment complexes so there is aggressive competition when compared to the single family vouchers that are very commonly available to us small-time housing providers.

Love to talk Toledo, again thank you for the interest!


 what about 43607? I found an off market 4 pack of houses that seem to be in great shape. And the owner will finance 

 Your basically finding what all the other investors in town have already passed up on. I suppose it could still work if you negotiated hard and got a super rock bottom price. 


 why do you assume that? they are below market price and 0% owner financing. that sounds like a deal most investors would have jumped on.

Post: Toledo Blade Article - Real Estate Boom!!!

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I peaked at around 40 properties in 43608.

I have 1 final property as of the writing of this post and the property is under contract to close this week.

So, the best answer I can give it the zip code served its purpose to create income and appreciation for a decade. Factor that with a total-loss fire, half a dozen insurance claims for smaller fires, easily a hundred evictions, a thousand months of uncollected rent, and a shooting in 2010 that is as close to wearing handcuffs as I desire.

If you live in Toledo and are ready to holster up and manage your own portfolio then 43608 has some real potential. 

If you are an out of town investor then I fear investments in this neighborhood (and those like it, Toledo has several) will result in an overall portfolio with higher-than expected wear-and-tear, lower resident financial stability directly translating to shorter times between re-leasing events, and I am curious how much higher the values can go (From $60k pre-2009 to $8k when I bough and I am now steadily see $60k listings again...even a $90k one!).

43608 (and the similar single-digit zip codes) fall into the 80/20 rule...stay out of 80% of them and the quality changes with every block. Locals have to drive the neighborhood in order to stay current on the changes and truly it seems that you have to own something profitable before you will go against the norm and buy more. (On Maple Street only about 3 blocks long I owned 12 houses...once I bought into the street I found value and became known as a cash buyer who maintained their properties so my phone rang and I shook hands on the street to keep it ringing.)

Always check ARIES the Lucas County Auditor site. If you are lucky you are buying a mom-and-pop landlord property that has been owned and operated for a long time. If you are not then you will see a ~$10k foreclosure sale, a resale less than a year later to an unwitting out of state investor for $50k, and the current attempt to sell it for $58k to get the current poor bastard out of the deal and cover the cost of the sale.

Be very wary of becoming the next guy holding the hot potato when the economic music stops...I see rent rates have stopped rising and our local MLS shows an increasing number of days on market so I feel the music is slowing.

Hope this helps!


 Very helpful! I am OOS but my partner is local and will manage properties, and handle repairs / contract out work for any fix and flips we get into.

I will check ARIES but these are from a guy who's owned for at least 20 years. Tired landlord is an understatement. 

Post: Toledo Blade Article - Real Estate Boom!!!

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@Michael P. Nope, I am down to one house in that zip code!

When you can sell a 43608 and buy 75% of a 43612 with 75% of the income but enjoy a higher class of residents with double the rental demand it's a solid strategy.

I wouldn't say 43608 (or 43605 / 43609 and a few others) doesn't make money...it's that your portfolio of ten properties runs about a 40% chance of any property being rented for 8 months, requires an eviction and full rehab (the bane of realized income). A game of wack-a-mole.

The more stable areas (a solid B vs a C-) experience for more engagement by the residents to want to stay in their home since they are reasonably hard to find and qualify for.

Hope you are doing well my friend!


 what class is 43608? Ive got a few single and multi family with a motivated seller. And 43604?