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All Forum Posts by: J. Lamar Ferren

J. Lamar Ferren has started 4 posts and replied 44 times.

Post: Attention Birddogs: This is a Must Read For You! (7 Steps To Get Started Now)

J. Lamar FerrenPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Woodbridge, VA
  • Posts 48
  • Votes 69

Bill,

First off, it's great to hear from you again. Yes it has been a while, but I didn't revive this thread. I only responded to the last few comments made.

I'm not sure what you mean by "switching to wholesaling".

I think it's clear that while this thread is about birddogging, there are people who see more of an advantage with wholesaling. I completely agree with them and stand by what I said in my last post when birddogging versus wholesaling. It's a known fact that more money is in wholesaling. However, birddogging is good for those who are just getting started, don't know much about wholesaling, and who are short on time.

Anyway, I think my points are clear and stand by everything I said since the first thread that I have made. I do not recall saying anything incorrect...at all. If we're going down the legality road again, then I'm not interested. I think we hammered that one to the ground. As I said before, everyone should do their own due diligence and proceed with what they feel is best. Too Easy! :-)

Post: Attention Birddogs: This is a Must Read For You! (7 Steps To Get Started Now)

J. Lamar FerrenPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Woodbridge, VA
  • Posts 48
  • Votes 69

I completely agree with those of you who would rather wholesale than birddog. If you have the time and knowledge to wholesale, then go for it. It makes no sense for someone who knows how to wholesale and has time to do it, to solely focus on wholesaling. You're short changing yourself.

However, if you're short on time and wholesaling is something you'd like to learn, then earning while learning (birddogging) is the way to go, in my opinion.

Post: Attention Birddogs: This is a Must Read For You! (7 Steps To Get Started Now)

J. Lamar FerrenPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Woodbridge, VA
  • Posts 48
  • Votes 69

It's all about the value Mike.

Given your example you said, "you think you could sell it for $120K"

However, is it worth $120K or is it worth more.

It really depends on the value of the property.

Some investors may want to buy low and sell low for a quick flip.

While other investors will want to buy low and sell high for maximum profit.

ARV stands for After Repair Value

The seller's asking price doesn't come into play until negotiation. Focus on value.

Hope that helps.

Post: Attention Birddogs: This is a Must Read For You! (7 Steps To Get Started Now)

J. Lamar FerrenPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Woodbridge, VA
  • Posts 48
  • Votes 69
Originally posted by Mike Kruser:
Ok so when you said "Here's an example: Let's say a property is worth $100,000 and needs $0.00 in Repairs. The investor tells you that they purchase at 70% ARV - rehab costs.

How much should the seller's asking price be? Your answer $70,000 "

You knocked 30% off the asking price? That seems high at all? Someone told me you take ~10% off, but i could be completely wrong

Who said that $100,000 was the asking price? I said that is how much the home is worth. From an investment standpoint, if I was to only ask for 10% off, there wouldn't be much room for profit if I were to flip it to another investor.

Also, if there were actually repairs (which I didn't use for sake of simplicity) then that would play a big role in the numbers as well.

Home owners need to sell

Investors need to make a profit.

If there can be an offer that will make both parties happy, then a win-win will get the deal closed.

Post: 2 step marketing

J. Lamar FerrenPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Woodbridge, VA
  • Posts 48
  • Votes 69

Hey Dee,

While I'm not doing direct marketing at this time (I will be in a few weeks), I would have to degree that a 2 step marketing process will definitely set you apart from the rest. While everyone is saying "We Buy Houses", by using a 2 step marketing plan as you described above you'd basically be saying "We Buy Houses and Here's a Free Report that shows you How"

I'd be inclined to think that absentee owners would jump on that before anything else. It's definitely something worth testing!

Post: Attention Birddogs: This is a Must Read For You! (7 Steps To Get Started Now)

J. Lamar FerrenPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Woodbridge, VA
  • Posts 48
  • Votes 69
Originally posted by Frank Raio:
That was great information. I am currently looking for investors in NY, obviously bird dogging in your area is the way to go right? The biggest problem I am haveing is getting investors. Any tips on that?


Just for you Frank! "11 Ways to find Investors to Birddog for" http://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/12/topics/49281-11-ways-to-find-investors-to-birddog-for :cool:

Post: New to Bird dogging

J. Lamar FerrenPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Woodbridge, VA
  • Posts 48
  • Votes 69
Originally posted by Frank Raio:
Thanks ive posted on craigs list been unsuccessful, maybe im wording it wrong. Gonna try the other stuff.

Thanks


Just for you Frank! "11 Ways to Find Investors to Birddog for" http://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/12/topics/49281-11-ways-to-find-investors-to-birddog-for/

You may have to copy and paste

Post: 11 Ways to Find Investors to Birddog for

J. Lamar FerrenPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Woodbridge, VA
  • Posts 48
  • Votes 69

The other day a guy named Frank pointed out a common problem many face when birddogging, "The biggest problem I am having is getting investors. Any tips on that?"

Instead of sending Frank a PM, I wanted everyone interested in birddogging to see this and have it become an easy reference.

In this post, I'd like to show you 11 ways you can find investors to birddog for. Please be sure to see my disclaimer at the bottom.

Let's get started...

1. We Buy Houses Signs

As you're out driving for dollars, you'll probably notice the ever common "We Buy House" signs posted around your city. These signs are typically investors who are looking for good deals. Call them up and see if they would like to work with a property locator. Building the relationship is key! If they say, "No", don't be discouraged. Just move onto the next.

2. REI Meetings
Start going to your local Real Estate Investing meetings and shaking hands with active investors. Whether they rehab, wholesale, or buy retail, you can locate properties for these investors by simply striking up a conversation, building that relationship, and getting their business card. Of course, you want to give them your business card, but you definitely want their business card because you can call them when you have a deal they like.

3. Property Locator Website
Setup a small website that allows you to capture the names and buying criteria of the investor. I found it interesting when I stumbled upon a Birddog who said they can find deeply discounted deals within "Whatever City" and was very active in referring deals. As soon as I called her, we discussed my criteria and two days later I had a potential deal.

4. Online Classified Ads/Flyers/Newpaper Ads
Whether you go the free route or the paid route, classified advertising flat out works. You can post your own ad on sites like craigslist.com or you can respond to "We Buy Houses" ads on the same site. The concept is the same as calling "We Buy Houses" bandit signs.

5. Facebook Groups
Facebook has hundreds of Real Estate Investing groups and it is full of investors. Just become their friend, build a genuine relatiohsihp, and let them know how you can help them! If the group owner allows it, you could also post an advertisment on the wall. Understand that most owners may not allow it, and it kind of veers away from relationship building, which is key. If you're able to test it out and you get many results, then more power to you!

6. Google/Facebook Advertising
For this you'll need a website or a blog, and this is only if you have the budget. The bottomline is that you can advertise within facebook or google and target real estate investors. This can get very costly, so be sure you watch your budget and are getting a good ROI.

7. Discussion Forums
Real estate discussion forums are a great way to find investors. Why? Because they're mainly for investors. BP has a couple of sections you can use to get in touch with investors. They also have the Personal Message (PM) feature, where you can build the relationship and let the investor(s) know what you do.

8. Property Wanted Section
If you go to the Property Wanted Section of BP, you'll see that all these people are looking for properties. They even lay out some of they're criteria. Why not send them a PM in reference to what they're looking for, build that relationship (I'm going to keep hammering this.) and see if they would like to work with you.

9. Look for Birddogs Wanted Sites
This is by far the easiest method. There are many sites out there who flat out say, "We're looking for Birddogs" or "We'll pay you a referral for finding a home"... Just look over the details and you'll usually be able to sign up right on the site. Some of them even offer free "getting started" guides because they want you to be as successful as possible in finding them a good deal.

10. Make Deals, Find Partners, Mentors & BirdDogs, etc
This section within BP is another place where you can let investors know what you do. Investors are looking for Birddogs in this section, so why not put yourself out there.

11. Success Story Strategy
This is a great strategy to use when you finally locate that first property and get paid. Ask the investor to do a testimonial for you and then post it on your website. Also, if you happen to partner with someone on BP, once you locate the property and get paid, ask them to go to the success story section and write a testimonial for you. It's kind of like an endorsement. When other investors on BP see this, they just might contact you so that you can do the same for them. Just be sure to be honest about finding the deal(s) NO BSing. Personally I never tried this in a discussion forum, but once you get that first property, try it out!
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There you have it. Those are 11 Ways that you can find investors to birddog for. Hopefully that will give you more investors than you can handle. Eventually you'll come to your senses and begin wholesaling, but if you're short on time and want to learn while you earn, then Birddogging is a great method.


Disclaimer: This is based on my personal opinion/experience. Proceed at your own risk! Please do your own due diligence regarding birddogging. Seek legal counsel from someone who practices real estate law to ensure you are operating in accordance with your states law. This is necessary for your own protection. I REFUSE to go down this rabbit hole again. :roll:

Post: Bird Dogging: Other Legal Questions

J. Lamar FerrenPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Woodbridge, VA
  • Posts 48
  • Votes 69
Originally posted by J Scott:
1. Yes, if you wanted to bird dog for free, that would certainly be legal anywhere. As for taking payment for your services (regardless of what you call that payment), it will depend on your local laws.

2. No, wholesalers do not need real estate licenses. The difference between a wholesaler and bird-dog is that the wholesaler actually has the property under contract, giving him (if done correctly) an equitable stake in the property...the wholesaler is allowed to profit from the sale a property he has an equitable stake in, and that profit can be made legally at the closing table.

3. I'm not sure about other places, but my wife is an agent, and where I live, I know of no sure-fire way for us to pay a bird-dog without breaking the rules. One potential work-around is to have a Independent Contractors Agreemetn and to pay the bird-dog as a contractor (1099). I'm not positive that is legal though...


I completely agree with J Scott.

I would like to add in regards to #1 that I don't see how Birddogs can fall into the category of selling, offering to sell, buys, offers to buy, negotiates the purchase of the sale or exchange of real estate...lease or offers to lease, rents or offers to rent...

I just can't see how someone who locates the property and says, "Hey this is a good deal, you should buy it" would need a license.

Then again I'm not Lawyer, so I'm not here to give you legal advice. Trust me when I say, talk to a lawyer or legal consultant, it's the only way you'll know for sure...for yourself. That's what I did.

Also, the Independent Contractor Agreement is heavily used in birddoging from what I've seen, along with the Joint Venture/Partnership agreement.

Post: Attention Birddogs: This is a Must Read For You! (7 Steps To Get Started Now)

J. Lamar FerrenPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Woodbridge, VA
  • Posts 48
  • Votes 69

I think we've reached a point within this discussion where we can all agree we are not lawyers and that for those who are interested in this method, it would be wise to consult with a real estate lawyer and follow your state laws. If your lawyer tells you that it is illegal and can show you this by law, then don't engage in illegal activity. However, if they can show that it is legal and that your actions will be with in the laws of your state, then make it happen.

As far as I know, no one in this forum is qualified to give legal specific advice. (to include myself) When we start quoting and interpreting laws, it needs to be handled by the individuals qualified to be in that field.

With that said, I think this "debate" on the legality of birddogging is a dead issue and should be left up to your own due diligence.

-JL