All Forum Posts by: J. Lamar Ferren

The bank doesn't rely on you to come up with the value for the home. They send out a BPO agent, so I don't think its too possible for mortgage fraud in that sense.

I can't believe they convinced the homeowner to do a shortsale when they didn't have to. They should be convicted on that alone!

With that said, investors do get a bad rap and I have to ask the same question Peter did. Why can't they just be ethical? It's ridiculous!

Justin your success is definitely an inspiration. You got past the hard part and its just smooth sailing from here on out baby! I know you won't let anything stop you!

-JL

@ John Lydic- I agree with everything you're saying. If you want to wholesale, then you need to get it going. However, if you don't have the time, don't feel like dealing with paperwork, can't negotiate yet, would like for someone to "hold your hand" so to speak on some deals (all depends on the investor you birddog for), then I feel that birddogging would definitely be the way to go. It's all about what you're willing to do. Finding the deal is key, however Closing the deal is what puts the money in the bank. The question is, Can you handle wholesaling on your own? If no, then I think it's best to start with being a birddog. Just don't do it forever. As John, said you're losing out on big profits.

Understood Josh.

@ Will Barnard- Thanks for the advice and it is well taken. I apologize to you and anyone else that was not able to get the value you expected or wanted. It's definitely not my style to provide unproductive content. As you said, There is nothing more I can say and I too encourage others to do their own due diligence with anything.

Apologies to anyone I may have offended to include the individuals I went back and forth with.

To your success,

J. Lamar Ferren

Happy Labor Day Gentlemen!

Mr. Investor,

How do you expect me to respond when someone tries to attack my character simply because I won't do things their way or because they disagree with part of what I do?

Disagreeing with me is one thing, but Calling me a shill/scammer was uncalled for, as you don't know what you're talking about or who I am.

You really need to go back and read what I wrote. It's clear that you skimmed through it and responded without even thoroughly grasping my point.

Also, I did answer your scenario question...

Did you miss it? I clearly started the sentence with..."So to answer your question..."

Come on man...Really?

Furthermore, why do you fail to address and accept the fact that I have not come here to promote the program or convince anyone either way? I simply answered the question.

You asked me to provide proof your way...I said no!

I asked you to provide proof my way...you said no!

The burden of proof is not in my court because all I did was answer someone's question honestly based on my experiences with actually using the program.

Not from simply looking over the website/Business model and drawing up assumptions.

I didn't say that this program made me millions. I didn't even direct anyone to my site...Again, I just gave an answer.

And I wasn't even going to bring the following up...But it is just too Hilarious.

Jeffrey,

Anything in Real Estate called a PROGRAM is a scam???

Are you serious? That is probably the funniest thing I've ever heard...

I actually just checked out Mr. Investor's site and he has what is called the "Money Partner Program" Are you saying that this is a Scam because it has to do with real estate and has the word "program" in it? How ignorant can you be? (Wait don't answer that)

The fact is that you two are trying to hammer the promoting side of this business more than the actual real estate funding side, which is the sole reason that most, if not all have joined.

Anybody who understands the concept of getting a deal funded by a third party would realize that it's a viable alternative to saving up capital or approaching a hard money lender with little to no experience. (By the way...a hard money lender would be the only one I'd feel the need to prove anything to... Why? Because most of them require it in order to qualify for their funding. So therefore I'd be providing proof and I would get a service in return...Posting a deal in this forum would give me nothing in return and only open the gates for people to then dispute my personal business transactions...Not happening)

So again, think what you want to think...You are right to leave the judgement calls to the smart people.

Oh and along with Tony...I dont feel people NEED a program in order to be successful in real estate. I've been succesful with real estate before this program even existed and I will continue to be successful in real estate, should it go away. With that said, the program does what it says on both the real estate/marketing side and only those who are involved with it & actually use it, will know that fact.

-J. Lamar

ps. I can find my own deals just fine Mr. Investor. Understand that I was just putting it out there to prove to you in that manner. I understand why you didn't accept it. You didn't have time because your doing real estate stuff. Same here bro! To your Success!

Definitely well said Tony. And I agree with you Ed... I broke one of the golden rules. lol

Next thing you'll see is..."Look, he's searching for others to help defend this program." lol

I'm done...Time to get back to the family.

Oh trust and believe that I can handle the heat.

Like I said, if you disagree with me, then it's fine. It's not my problem, it's yours.

But just because I won't give you exactly what you want in order to "convince" you that what I'm saying is fact does not mean that you can conclude that I'm a shill or a scammer.

That's BS and is more slander than criticism. That is something I don't have to tolerate and will not..

Unless, I'm forced to leave this forum...meaning if my account is cancelled, then I'm here to stay. Sorry James, but I have thick skin and I know who I am and what I'm about. As I said, I live life on my terms...not anyone else's. Maybe you scared away others who have actually come here to promote and were unable to defend themselves, but I'm not that guy.

Also, as I have said SEVERAL times, I did not come here to promote this program. Nor did I say... go to my site and sign up today. Please ensure to read what I say and not just go off of how you feel.

This conversation can go back and forth all day, but I don't have the time and I'm sure you don't either. The fact is that I can easily post a deal on this forum and it will be heavily disputed. My intent is not to convince you or to prove anything to you. It's simply to educate others on the truth.

You're speaking from the outside and I'm speaking from the inside, so it only makes sense that we'd have two different view points.

The only people that will regret joining this program are the people that join this program and do nothing.

My testimonial is proof enough, as well as other testimonials that are shown on the site.

But then whose to say that there aren't people who will dispute testimonials too. I used to do that until I got over myself and became one...several times and because I know who I am and what I'm about...that is all that matters.

So to answer your question... the first thing I would say to you is...

Tell me more about this program and the and its capabilities to do what it says. Can you really do deals with this program? How does the funding work. And whatever else that will help me...(notice I said me) make a decision.

The main questions I'd ask would be about the quality of the program.

Would I hammer them to send me photo copied checks, addresses of properties, and bank statements....NOPE!

Why?

Because they're success does not dictate my success.

I'll be real with you James. There are alot of people on my team. Some who are making it happen and some who are not. This is both on the real estate side of the business and the marketing side.

There are some people on my team out there who convince others with proof of their deals and post their deals publicly, yet even after showing the proof , people are still skeptical and don't even join their team...Would you say those people are naive or just wrapped up over the "to good to be true" saying.

Like I said, there are people who are on my team doing nothing...I try my best to help them and tell them to stay accountable and attend the weekly calls, training, and to ask questions...yet they choose to be inconsistent with that.

Then there are others that are closing deals left in right and generating some nice profits. Some who are doing way more deals then I've done and are just making it happen.

That's just the way it is...

This is a clear point that my success does not dictate their success and vice versa.

I'm not sure if you've ever experienced calling up a motivated seller ,and them hanging up the phone in your ear as soon as you mention that you're an investor, but I have experienced that. They didn't even here what I had to say or had to offer. They just heard investor and weren't interested.

Simply because of the misinformation out there about investors.

A seller can ask me proof about deals that I have done...Do you really think I'm going to be powering up the copy machine, sifting through bank statements and checks...just to get them to do a deal with me...Not happening. They need me...I don't need them.

People come into this program with mixed experiences, mixed commitment levels, and mixed attitudes. It has nothing to do with the capability of the program. Only the capablity of those individuals. This is true for any business.

I think you're missing the overall goal of this program... It's to get your deals funded, your deals closed, and tell others how to do the same. Just because they decided to add a stream of income and because they decided to make people invest in themselves to get involved, does not mean that it's a scam or that it is out to hurt people.

Quite frankly, I rest my case on this matter.

I enjoy a little debate and going back and forth on subject matters, but James I'm asking you to give me enough respect not do call me out of my character simply because I won't show you hard Proof that I've been successful. That really isn't fair to me. I didn't call you out your name, so I'd appreciate if you didn't call me out mine.

If I go around proving to any and everyone about my success with real estate, then I wouldn't have time for anything else. There are billions of people online everyday. Do you really think I'm going to spend my time trying to convince and prove to as many as I can....Not happening.

Again, if you don't want to take me up on my initial offer of proof, then there is nothing for us to talk about . Think what you want to think.

-J. Lamar Ferren
Proud BP Member :-)

Jeffrey/Mr. Investor,

How about we just stick to the fact that you don't know...

The assumptions you are making about me are absurd and you should take note that I did not come to the BP community to promote this company or any other.

The fact is that I do deals and have been doing deals for some time. With and without this program. Whether you want to believe that or not is your problem and not mine.

I don't try to sell anyone on anything. Those who allow themselves to be ignorant of something they have never experienced can only speak from that....Pure Ignorance.

I've never been involved with any scams so for you to attack me like that is a bit amatueur.

Those people who take advantage of others piss me off too. However people who have no clue what they're talking about and hender others based on pure ignorance piss me off as well.

Your claims about me have no basis and is only fueled by negative opinions...not facts.

I'm not about flashy programs or scams, however I am about having a mentor. I'm sorry but my mentors haven't been discussion forums. I don't recommend anyone search through hundreds of threads to put the pieces together on learning how to invest in real estate. I've alway come to these forums simply to get guidance on certain topics and to help others based upon what I know... not what i don't know.

And how is it that you speak on behalf of the BP community... As I'm posting this...I see that I still have an active profile and would very much so consider myself apart of the BP community. Not sure who died and made you BP spokesman, but whatever.

Someone asked about this program and I simply answered...Because you don't agree with me doesn't mean that I'm a scammer or that I'm here to mislead anyone.

I already knew that this would be a back and forth ordeal and I told myself initially to just let it be...However, when you misinform people on something you are misinformed about then it only creates a bunch of misinformed people. Until you come to the table with actual facts, I or anyone else can only take what you say with a grain of salt.

I'll admit that it's the same for me too. However, when it comes to my performance with this program, I refuse to back up what I say by posting deals on this forum because it is a waste of time and people will only believe what they want to believe. There is only so much I can do or say over the internet.

Again, take a strong note that these are the only posts I've made regarding this program and realize that it isn't my intent to come here and recruit.

I've opened the doors in my previous post to show people the proof if they want it.... Next thing you know...I'll be seeing someone say..."How do I know you closed that deal with the program and not just on your own???"

Give me a break! I'm not the one.

Jeffrey/Mr. Investor, even after you've tried to slander me...I still give you some respect because you are coming from the heart and trying to help people. Same here bro. So let's keep it civil in these forums and just have a sensible discussion.

It's fine to disagree with me, but when you try to attack my character through ignorance...you're crossing lines. You don't even know me and I surely don't know you.

-J. Lamar

Better yet... after re reading my post, maybe I'm not being... too fair.

So here's how I'll prove it... Find me a deal based on the criteria of the program (I'll provide you with the essential details) and watch me close the deal. I'll even compensate you with a finder's fee when and if I close on the deal. What you do with your finder's fee is completely up to you. I won't hold it and pay your way into the program. lol It's yours to do whatever.

I think that's a win-win for all involved...Don't you?

Otherwise...I stand by my initial statement of...I have nothing else to prove to anyone.

-J. Lamar Ferren

Mr. Investor, with all do respect, I'm not one to go around proving to other investors what I have done when it come to this program or any other business that I'm involved with by showing bank statements, addresses of properties, pay checks, etc... If you expect me to post any of my completed deals on a public discussion forum to try and further prove to you that what I've said is authentic then you'll be waiting along time. I have nothing to prove to anyone. And how much I make is irrelevant to you or anyone else's success should you attempt to get involved with this program. My policy has always been that personal information like this is proprietary and only shared with those who have a Need-to-Know.

I know this answer I have provided will probably makes whatever "BS Smell" you are smelling a bit stronger, but whether I posted my deals or not, you or anyone else's skeptism of this program would have likely still existed and it would have been a waste of my valuable time.

I've done this before. I remember when I defended one of my mentors in another discussion forum and provided 3 thread pages worth of proof...That thread grew to like 10 pages of people arguing back and forth...Some siding with me and some not... I've come to the conclusion that I only deal with serious and motivated people....just like sellers...lol If they are skeptical...I don't try and convince them...I just move onto the next.

I've been approached by some who have asked me to send them copies of checks that I have made with this program and then after they see this they would join my team....My answer has always been...Not a chance! Even though I get paid when people join my team, if someone is skeptical of me an does not see my integrity and authenticity, then I tell them to join someone else's team. Again, I have nothing to prove.

It is what it is...

Oh and I only dance on my terms bro. :-)

Again, no disrespect to you...but this is my stance and it will not change regardless of what anyone else says or thinks. I hope you can respect that.