@Scott Steffek...I agree that there are too many people that over analyze before making a move but remember that there are many who do not. I hadn't gotten past wholesaling because that's what you do as a new person in investing when you have no money and no credit right?? All the books and articles and such tell you it's not a good idea to do a rehab out the gate, right?? Yeah, wholesaling didn't go well for me. Didn't know about BP then, didn't know about REIA's, didn't have a cash buyer's list, didn't have anything but the mentorship I had bought and paid for that when I lost my job, I couldn't pay for any more. What do I do?? I kept plugging away. I kept researching the only way I knew how. You don't know what you don't know. I think I still have a few sellers that are PO'd at me but apparently I haven't given up or I wouldn't be here right now, would I?? I get you Scott, and I'm far from oblivious to the stumbling blocks and mistakes that are going to be encountered and made along the way but not everyone is exposed to or aware of what is truly out there. How many new people come onto BP and say they didn't know this site existed and how long has it been in existence?? Don't take it for granted that everyone has all the info sitting right in front of them just for the taking. They don't. You'd be surprised, even as a realtor, how many people realize what they don't know about real estate when I tell them things but as a realtor they come to me and ask me about. It may seem simple to you and me but it's not simple or cut and dry for them. Your experience Scott was one that showed it can be done, which is a great inspiration, but a person should not be discouraged if they cannot brave the wild like Scott did and they should not be told they are not doing something right if it does not happen for them like that. Sure anyone can go to meetings and forums but it won't magically put a big "I" on their chest where they can take the real estate world by storm just by doing these things. Tutoring exists for a reason. Not because everyone doesn't have access to the same type of information and learning but because it still may not be clear to them and they may need a bit of extra help. Sometimes simply asking a question here or there doesn't make it clear for every person no matter how many forums you go to, post in, look up, etc...and no one should be made to feel that they are not doing all they can because it's not crystal clear to them after doing all of that and after "just doing it". I've gotten plenty of information, but for me, it didn't fit all together until I sat with another investor and put all those pieces out of the table and he helped me put them together and I could see a better picture. All the forums, REIA's, internet searches and books didn't do that...my time with him did....I got back up on the saddle but I got tired of having a sore behind...he helped me to see why I kept falling off the saddle. Every person in a gym will not get the same results doing the same workout...each person needs the workout that will help them for where they are and for what they need. Doing the same workout that someone has gotten great results from doesn't mean that you will too and it doesn't mean that you are not trying if that workout doesn't make it happen for you. It means you need something different for your success. A new person should not be made to think that are not serious because they are not following someone else's thoughts or ideas of what they should be doing to be successful but there are folks out there who do just that and I've encountered them. LOL...I asked one question about mobile homes and I was told "if you have to ask that question then you shouldn't be trying to invest in real estate". I've never done real estate before and I'm trying to learn. I looked up everything I could and didn't see it so I asked a question and that was the response I got. Wasn't a guru either. Was a referral from someone else. Didn't stop me from getting into real estate but when you consistently run across people like that, you wonder why the gurus become attractive to a new person. I appreciate your offer of assistance Scott and I plan to take you up on it. I just hear and see a lot of guru bashing and instead of doing that, I would like to see and hear of more JV's with neophytes and pros and vets where both get something beneficial from the partnership that proves how much better it is to have BP and REIA's to network and JV with than to follow the guru train.