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All Forum Posts by: Jerry Shen

Jerry Shen has started 6 posts and replied 113 times.

Post: Denver Market Softening/Retreat

Jerry ShenPosted
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 114
  • Votes 99

@robert I agree I think crypto is an asset not a currency

I think you are replying to the wrong thread tho :-)

Post: Buying RE with Bitcoin

Jerry ShenPosted
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 114
  • Votes 99
Originally posted by @David Ferrette:
Originally posted by @Jerry Shen:
Originally posted by @Chinmay J.:
Originally posted by @Jerry Shen:
Originally posted by @Daria B.:
Originally posted by @Jerry Shen:

I've got some bitcoins that I would like to use to purchase real estate. Are there any institutions that will accept bitcoin as downpayment for a loan? 

 Admittedly I’m not up on the new craz...what is bitcoin?

It's a decentralized digital currency. Basically a way to transact and store value without any middlemen (banks, governments, etc). It's been on a tear this year (my initial investment grew 2000% in 8 months) so I'm looking to cash some of it out into RE but I would rather pay in bitcoin directly than cash out to dollars because cashing out large amounts of bitcoin can move the markets (if I sold $1M of bitcoin I would get a lot less because the entire market would see my sell order and it would drive the price down) than if I just used it directly in a transaction.

Good luck explaining that to a seller and the Title Company. I completely understand, but most people are clueless as to what you are saying..  There are still people out there who only deal with cash, and are queasy about using credit or debit card to make purchases. 

Why not liquidate your investment in small chunks, and wait for market to adjust rather than in one lump sump of $1MM.  May require some patience, but trust me, this stuff is not easy for some people to follow... 

My issue with that is I would have to liquidate before I would like to. A lot of deals fall through in due diligence and if I have to liquidate early I could lose out on significant gains. For example, even if I liquidated by bitcoin just a month ago, it would have lost 50% of its value.

I understand this is not easy, but this is the creative financing forum so trying to think creatively here =)

 If you expect the gains to continue, why get out of Bitcoin?  There is also a good chance that once you get out of Bitcoin, the price of Bitcoin will drop tremendously.   It's a gamble either way.

 I’m not getting out of bitcoin I will never sell all my bitcoin I am putting a small amount in RE

Post: Buying RE with Bitcoin

Jerry ShenPosted
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 114
  • Votes 99
Originally posted by @Matt R.:
Originally posted by @Jerry Shen:
@Matt R.:

BTC is up 1800% for me so far in 8 months. Most institutional investors (which represent orders of magnitude more capital than is currently in the market) want to get in but can't until Dec 18 when CME opens futures trading. All of my contacts in the financial sector say bitcoin futures trading is going to explode in 2018, so I think a 500% increase in the next 13 months when the floodgates are open to institutional money isn't a huge stretch. Even at 100K/coin it still puts it at 1/4 of gold's market cap.

Nice that is insane.

I am at 1757% less this year in stocks as compared and I thought that was great. I am down for a coin or two once I can figure some more basics out a little better at least. I get the bigger picture part. What storage wallet do you use btw if any? It is definitely interesting what is happening and I could some see landlord and real estate applications coming soon if this keeps rolling. When I tried selling that house in 2014 there was just not enough users, 2018 maybe a lot easier to do. Especially in vacation homes I imagine. 

I use trezor hardware wallet I highly recommend it. 

Post: Buying RE with Bitcoin

Jerry ShenPosted
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 114
  • Votes 99
@Matt R.:

BTC is up 1800% for me so far in 8 months. Most institutional investors (which represent orders of magnitude more capital than is currently in the market) want to get in but can't until Dec 18 when CME opens futures trading. All of my contacts in the financial sector say bitcoin futures trading is going to explode in 2018, so I think a 500% increase in the next 13 months when the floodgates are open to institutional money isn't a huge stretch. Even at 100K/coin it still puts it at 1/4 of gold's market cap.

Post: Buying RE with Bitcoin

Jerry ShenPosted
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 114
  • Votes 99
Originally posted by @Account Closed:

I would go out on a limb and say no there most likely is not institutions that accept Bitcoin as payment of any sort as it is too volitale for their risk profile and could change drastically in value unless you guarantee its value upon the transaction. This is one thing that will hold bitcoin back in commercial transactions.

 Not really going out on a limb I think you are 100% correct.

Post: Are you wealthy?

Jerry ShenPosted
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 114
  • Votes 99
Originally posted by @Dan D.:
Originally posted by @Jerry Shen:
Originally posted by @Dan D.:

I think what the discussion and article supports is that "wealth" for many is more of a state of mind than a financial number.  I think wealth has more to do with an abundance of time than an abundance of money.

If you read about the ultra-saver groups where they are retired at age 27 living in a tent or sailing a boat, they consider themselves wealthy because they have the abundance of time on their side.  

The abundance of time to do what you want 7 days a week is wealth.  The having huge houses, nice cars, and high salaries can create wealth, but if you aren't making yourself more able to be independent of your need to commit your time to a business or company against your free will, you aren't inching towards wealth.

My wife and I aren't fond of raising kids in a tent though, so we aren't as wealthy as a 27 year old retired blogger, but the blogger doesn't have the wealth of the experiences my wife and kids provide me.

Wealth is in the eye of the beholder.

I don't really agree wealth is a state of mind. I do think it's an actual milestone but it might differ between person to person so you may not be able to peg a specific number to it. But if we go by a time definition a bum would be wealthy he has all the time in the world.

And extreme savers I don't really count because I think if you are wealthy you shouldn't have to make those types of compromises. Otherwise what's the point of being wealthy? I do agree that extra time comes with wealth but a lot of things that cost a ton of money actually save you time (housekeeping, private chef, eating out, etc). If you enjoy those things then fine but if you have to do a lot of things yourself just to save then I wouldn't say that is wealthy. Wealth means being able to do whatever the hell you want when you want.

Most financial planners will tell you a net worth of $2-$10M will provide enough for retirement and financial freedom. From my experience I think that is in the right ballpark for someone living in the United States.

I disagree.

A bum likely wouldn't consider themselves wealthy.  If they do, then maybe they are fine.

If the extreme savers are doing everything they want to be doing and enjoying the time they want to spend with the people who they want to spend time with and they are experiencing the experiences they want to, then how are they not wealthy?

By your definition, very few will ever be wealthy enough to do whatever you want whenever you want.  You're essentially saying it's someone who could afford to acquire or achieve all of their goals.

The only way to achieve this is that your pursuits are so limited that you can afford to buy them.

The mind and the adventures you mind may want to pursue are infinite.

Does one want to buy a Maserati if one doesn't know it exists?  The more limited one's mind would be, the better their options to achieve wealthy by your definition because each new thought and idea would broaden your world and make it less likely you'll achieve wealth.

By your definition, the person with the least imaginative mind would have the best odds of being wealthy.  

That's why the super-savers, who consciously turn off the pursuit of material goods and social experiences are often the ones with the best odds of retiring early.

I get what you are saying, and I have nothing against bums or extreme savers, I just don't think you can redefine what wealthy means so it loses all meaning.

Everyone on BP is investing in real estate to become wealthy. If all it takes is a change in "mindset" and the ability to consciously turn off material goods what's the point?

I assumed this thread was about material wealth. That is measurable. Certainly we can disagree if that means $1M or $10M and in some ways it is subjective but I think it goes too far to say wealth is just some new-age state of mind.

Post: Are you wealthy?

Jerry ShenPosted
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 114
  • Votes 99
Originally posted by @Dan D.:

I think what the discussion and article supports is that "wealth" for many is more of a state of mind than a financial number.  I think wealth has more to do with an abundance of time than an abundance of money.

If you read about the ultra-saver groups where they are retired at age 27 living in a tent or sailing a boat, they consider themselves wealthy because they have the abundance of time on their side.  

The abundance of time to do what you want 7 days a week is wealth.  The having huge houses, nice cars, and high salaries can create wealth, but if you aren't making yourself more able to be independent of your need to commit your time to a business or company against your free will, you aren't inching towards wealth.

My wife and I aren't fond of raising kids in a tent though, so we aren't as wealthy as a 27 year old retired blogger, but the blogger doesn't have the wealth of the experiences my wife and kids provide me.

Wealth is in the eye of the beholder.

I don't really agree wealth is a state of mind. I do think it's an actual milestone but it might differ between person to person so you may not be able to peg a specific number to it. But if we go by a time definition a bum would be wealthy he has all the time in the world.

And extreme savers I don't really count because I think if you are wealthy you shouldn't have to make those types of compromises. Otherwise what's the point of being wealthy? I do agree that extra time comes with wealth but a lot of things that cost a ton of money actually save you time (housekeeping, private chef, eating out, etc). If you enjoy those things then fine but if you have to do a lot of things yourself just to save then I wouldn't say that is wealthy. Wealth means being able to do whatever the hell you want when you want.

Most financial planners will tell you a net worth of $2-$10M will provide enough for retirement and financial freedom. From my experience I think that is in the right ballpark for someone living in the United States.

Post: Buying RE with Bitcoin

Jerry ShenPosted
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 114
  • Votes 99
Originally posted by @Jim Goebel:

http://www.wsj.com/video/what-you-can-buy-with-bit...

This is a video that shows first hand some of the challenges with bitcoin. A guy tries to buy a pizza in NYC and it ends up taking 5 hours, costs him something like $75, and there's like $15 in fees.

Can this be fixed?

Maybe.

Will it be fixed? 

Not sure.

If not, then I don't believe bitcoin or crypto moves outside of some niche 'damn them all' anarchic kind of bent.

Lightning network is a technology that is designed to solve the fees problem, but it's probably still a ways away from being used. Technologically, it can be fixed. 

Crypto is definitely not niche anymore in 2017. Bitcoin futures are being offered by the CME which is the world's largest futures exchange. So pension funds, 401Ks, investment banks, etc are all going to be getting in on 2018. I think bitcoin will hit 100K/coin by the end of 2018. That's my prediction.

Post: Buying RE with Bitcoin

Jerry ShenPosted
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 114
  • Votes 99

@Brett P Swarts that is a great suggestion I do not know anything about DST but will look into it!

Post: Denver Market Softening/Retreat

Jerry ShenPosted
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 114
  • Votes 99
What’s the definition of active? Their license is current or they are doing X deals a year? If just current license those numbers aren’t indicative of much of anything I know a ton of people with active licenses that don’t buy or sell actively 22000 is like 4% of Denver’s entire population