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All Forum Posts by: Jerry Shen

Jerry Shen has started 6 posts and replied 113 times.

Post: Real Estate Agents Will Be Obsolete Within 10 years?

Jerry ShenPosted
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 114
  • Votes 99

I'm actually starting a real estate tech company, so my perspective having spent most of my career in high tech is this: I don't think technology actually eliminates white collar jobs. Technology is very good at eliminating blue collar jobs, and we've seen this over the past few decades. If there are jobs that can be automated by technology, it most likely will be.

I don't see RE agents as one of those jobs. The parts of a RE agents job that can be automated are already being automated. And the best agents are already taking advantage of those technologies. What tends to happen in white collar careers is that those who are most adept at taking advantage of new technology will distance themselves from those who don't, and there will be a bimodal distribution of talent. 

One of my friends who is one of the top producing RE agents in California uses technology extensively, and I'm shocked when he tells me of his competitors that are still using pen and paper to track complex contracts. 

At the end of the day technology is nothing but a tool, and those who wield it best have an unfair advantage. This has played out in almost every field of human endeavor since the advent of computers. Much of the "wealth inequality" is a result of technology taking a 10-20% difference in intelligence, competence and skill in any given field and leveraging it to 10-20x. 

I've met many successful people in real estate, and by and large the ones who are doing the best are the ones that have embraced technology. The absolute best ones are teaching others to do the same.

Post: Loopnet Changes coming in Feb

Jerry ShenPosted
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 114
  • Votes 99

@Account Closed I am currently working on a real estate tech related startup. No details yet but I would like to take on the CoStar monopoly one day.

I'm going to answer this from another angle. I didn't quit by job so I could do real estate, I do real estate so I can upgrade my job! Being a full time real estate investor is not an end goal for me, but just a means to an end. RE provides me with cashflow to start and sustain my technology business in the early goings.

Post: Colorado Real Estate Investor

Jerry ShenPosted
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 114
  • Votes 99

I invested in a medical office in the springs this year and have been very happy. I think deals are still to be found outside of Denver. Springs isn't even really that far all things considered.

Post: Beginners Luck or Creating Success

Jerry ShenPosted
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 114
  • Votes 99
Originally posted by @Joel Owens:

People that have made millions know HOW HARD it is to make that kind of money.

People asking for money that do not have the millions generally don't have a clue what it took to generate that cash.

People that have millions get offered opportunities DAILY to place capital. They are not going to put  a large amount of money into something risky with an operator/sponsor who does not have a track record or experience. A return means nothing if it never materializes or the return/reward risk ratio is not there. 

3% of 6 million is 180k. That can be great money for finding a deal IF it really is a deal.

I know people of great wealth. Nobody handed them anything and they didn't wake up one day with all this cash. They have  a mindset of humility, a willingness to always learn new things, appreciation for people, and putting in smart work and risk adjusted returns.

Basically in my business I talk to millionaires on a daily basis looking to buy commercial real estate. I know how lot's of them think and make decisions.

The last thing a millionaire wants to do is make risky investments. Who is going to guarantee the 4 plus million loan? That has a currency to it as well.

I am 14 years in the business. I did not come out of the gate asking for the Universe. You have to crawl before you walk, walk before you run,etc.

OP should listen to Joel. As someone who does have the capital to fund this deal (and has worked with Joel in the past), he basically summed up my thoughts nicely.

I've talked to some of the most seasoned RE operators here on bigger pockets, and I would much rather go with someone who has an existing track record. The only way I would consider a deal like this is if:

1) The operator has already secured a majority of the needed funds (ie they have shown an ability to actually close on getting other investors and aren't banking on a single investor)

2) The operator is taking a significant discount from a more experienced operator since it's their first time.

I wish you luck OP. If you want to really get investment from people like me, I would advise you to be more thoughtful in your writing (I'm not sure how old you are but you come off as an emotional teenager) as well as learn basic math (as others have pointed out you don't seem to understand how to calculate returns in real estate). 

Post: Blockchain real estate brainstorm

Jerry ShenPosted
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 114
  • Votes 99
Originally posted by @Jon Q.:
Originally posted by @Jerry Shen:
Originally posted by @Jon Q.:
Originally posted by @James Green:

@Jon Q. how do you jump the shark by thinking that this model Bob's Repair will be accepted within real estate? Bob has knowingly accepted the volatility of the ETH currency. Then they have placed a value on their own Crypto-currency, based off of the ETH currency. What will happen if I buy 1 ETH that equals 6000 BOB, and ETH tanks. Sure the value of a dollar varies from country to country, but we are not in danger of it disappearing when another bright idea comes along for a US median of exchange.

Also, let's not confuse the proven LEGITIMATE technology of the block chain with the various speculative "internet monies". This reminds me of Pets.com. back during the dot.com bust. Just because you put a business on the Internet (proven technology), doesn't mean it will work. The business idea still needs to have an underlying valid business. These Ponzi currencies, still don't have an underlying asset other than hype & forced hope.

Sure people are making money on them now, but IMHO, there will be a lot of everyday investors getting killed in it. Either through a massive drop in value, lack of broad currency support (

http://bitcoinist.com/cryptocurrency-failures-all-time/), or through cybercrime.

As I continue to see, people are losing their life savings over these crypto-currencies because they believe that they are safe & secure. All it takes is one internet transaction to become a victim. Once that happens the next time you want to use your currency you may find your wallet empty, regardless of whether its software or hardware based.

Hey, I'm not an investor, nor do I know if Bobs Repair will succeed, but they have raised a lot of money.  Frankly, I personally see lots of risks with their model, but they have experienced some success and raised quite a bit of cash from investors.  

It's just one example of what is occurring.  I can name 50-100 others that have raised $10-20 million.

I don't think capital raise is a good metric to use. The ICO boom is very similar to the dot-com boom in the late 90s. I don't see a lot of value in most of these companies. It won't end well.

I'm bullish on bitcoin but I'm bearish on 99% of other blockchain based projects. 

Crypto currency and ICOs have totally disrupted fundraising as we know it.  If you doubt that, wait 12-24 months.  Raising capital in cryto isn't a bubble.

You can only use ICOs to raise money for blockchain based utility tokens, that's a pretty limited subset of capital requirements. What has happened, is that this has created incentives for ANY company to simply add "blockchain" to the end of their company and raise an ICO even if the use case is a ludicrous example of using the blockchain.

That's why I think it's a bubble, and eerily similar to dot-com where 99% of dot-coms were wiped out because anyone could just add "dot com" to their name and instantly receive funding.

Post: Blockchain real estate brainstorm

Jerry ShenPosted
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 114
  • Votes 99
Originally posted by @Jon Q.:
Originally posted by @James Green:

@Jon Q. how do you jump the shark by thinking that this model Bob's Repair will be accepted within real estate? Bob has knowingly accepted the volatility of the ETH currency. Then they have placed a value on their own Crypto-currency, based off of the ETH currency. What will happen if I buy 1 ETH that equals 6000 BOB, and ETH tanks. Sure the value of a dollar varies from country to country, but we are not in danger of it disappearing when another bright idea comes along for a US median of exchange.

Also, let's not confuse the proven LEGITIMATE technology of the block chain with the various speculative "internet monies". This reminds me of Pets.com. back during the dot.com bust. Just because you put a business on the Internet (proven technology), doesn't mean it will work. The business idea still needs to have an underlying valid business. These Ponzi currencies, still don't have an underlying asset other than hype & forced hope.

Sure people are making money on them now, but IMHO, there will be a lot of everyday investors getting killed in it. Either through a massive drop in value, lack of broad currency support (

http://bitcoinist.com/cryptocurrency-failures-all-time/), or through cybercrime.

As I continue to see, people are losing their life savings over these crypto-currencies because they believe that they are safe & secure. All it takes is one internet transaction to become a victim. Once that happens the next time you want to use your currency you may find your wallet empty, regardless of whether its software or hardware based.

Hey, I'm not an investor, nor do I know if Bobs Repair will succeed, but they have raised a lot of money.  Frankly, I personally see lots of risks with their model, but they have experienced some success and raised quite a bit of cash from investors.  

It's just one example of what is occurring.  I can name 50-100 others that have raised $10-20 million.

I don't think capital raise is a good metric to use. The ICO boom is very similar to the dot-com boom in the late 90s. I don't see a lot of value in most of these companies. It won't end well.

I'm bullish on bitcoin but I'm bearish on 99% of other blockchain based projects. 

Post: monetized installment sale

Jerry ShenPosted
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 114
  • Votes 99

interesting thread I'm actually looking into DST vs installment sale for bitcoin. Not a lot of objective info out there mostly just attorneys and accountanting firms shilling their product.

Post: Buying RE with Bitcoin

Jerry ShenPosted
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 114
  • Votes 99

I am not Satoshi Nakamoto but Satoshi Nakamoto literally translates to "Central Intelligence" in Japanese. Let that sink in =)

Ok now this thread is really off topic lol

Thanks for everyone's input. I've actually received many inbox messages on some possible deals if something works out I will post here. 

Although it may be a while as the next down cycle is probably around 2024 if you believe the 18 year business and RE cycle. That's probably the ideal time to trade a lot of BTC for RE, though I'll probably do a pilot deal before then.

Post: Are you wealthy?

Jerry ShenPosted
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 114
  • Votes 99
Originally posted by @Joe Kim:
Originally posted by @Marcus Johnson:

What a stupid way to calculate well let me give you an example an 40-year-old orthopedic surgeon making $350,000 year driving a fancy car that is leased, going on expensive vacations and live in a mansion and has $500,000 saved in retirement. The wife doesn’t work. There net worth is 800,000.

Now you have a web designer and a teacher making a combined income of 150,000. Both of their vehicles are Five years old and paid for, you take very few vacations and live in a very modest house in a good school district. But at age 40 they have a net worth of $1 million.

This example is very calm and just read the book millionaire next-door. The couple that only makes 150000 a year are doing way better investing their money and not buying appreciative assets or liabilities. I would consider this couple more wealthy even though their salary is $200,000 less.

there is a huge flaw in your story.   How many orthopods make $350K/yr?   Try double that at 700K/yr for orthopedic surgeons.   

Kidding aside, I get your point.   I definitely agree the web designer is wealthier and in the long run, unless behaviors change will steadily grow their wealth. 

Turtle vs. Hare.    Turtle almost always wins.   Except if the hare doesn't take a nap and runs full speed the whole way which is very rare to see.

What the surgeon has is the ability to leverage at a much higher amount. So when the surgeon finally gets on BP and learns about REI and other techniques, they will out run the turtle in a short time.

I'm a big fan of the hare method (not the turtle or extreme saver method).

My advice to people who are young is to make as much money as you can and take as much risk as you can early, but don't spend a lot. Do startups, make high risk/high reward investments, bust your *** at your job. You can go 100mph when you are young and the value of your effort is magnified through compounding interest. 

If you can do this and be disciplined in spending, you are in a far better position than turtles. Here's why: If you are a turtle, the only real life skill you are learning is saving and making a moderate income. As a hare, you learn very valuable economic skills. You learn how to make money, and much more exclusive and marketable skills that can serve you later on in retirement.

Most people I know that have retired early successful have some sort of windfall, through their own effort, but they are able to leverage skills they learned as a hare to continue growing and taking on consulting if necessary after retirement.

I think that's a much better (not to mention fulfilling) way to go.