Originally posted by @Johnny Mack:
THANK YOU! I'm so tired of hearing about the "own nothing, control everything" attitude. Especially in buy and hold. First of all, how can you call yourself an investor if you don't actually own anything? You're just a property manager for your lender. Second, if you're constantly refinancing (or "harvesting your equity", what a stupid term), that's like being a minority partner in a business, buying yourself a majority stake, then selling back to your partner so you can buy another business while still managing the first.
Maybe this stuff works for rehabbers or whoever, but it seems counterintuitive for long term landlords.
Not really, I think it just has to be done in an intelligent manner. You make some good points, and I would be fearful of having all properties leveraged - that said, I think it makes absolute sense to "harvest", as you put it, your equity in something that is paid for/largely paid for in order to obtain more properties, especially if you plan to hold the properties. Why? Because of the nature of compounding. If everyone was immortal, and could work forever, you could simply save your way into never working again. But there is a real limit as to how long you have to make the numbers work - this is why every investment professional I know of recommends people start heavy-duty saving/investing as young as possible; you need the magic of compounding returns to end up with anything at the end. Let's say you save up enough money to put $30k down on a $100k house that you are going to rent out. If you keep working to pay it off, and use whatever rent you get to pay it off, and then once that is done save up another $30k to put down on another house, you are going to be constantly running to catch returns until such point as you are too old to keep working to put your own money into the pot. The point of real estate investing should be, primarily, to make money. If you can make 1.5% the return by splitting your money into two pots, with low risk, why wouldn't you?
All that has to happen at the end of the day is that the numbers have to work. If you have a fixed mortgage of $500 on a property that easily market rents for $2k, you have a whole lot of room to play with before you are in a negative cash situation. Where most people, I suspect, get into trouble is that they do not bankroll the wads for a rainy day, and instead use the returns to either create an empire with too many risky properties, or use it to fuel a consumption lifestyle that isn't warranted with a decent amount of debt to service. The saying that you can't eat equity works both ways - it doesn't make a lot of financial sense, unless you are at your final point, to have loads of equity in houses sitting there, but if you don't have lots of equity you better have lots of cash.