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All Forum Posts by: JD Martin

JD Martin has started 62 posts and replied 9331 times.

Post: Sewer clean outs required?

JD Martin
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You need better contractors, because "not* putting in clean outs on a full repipe is just dumb, lazy and cheap. Not to mention short sighted as you are now finding out. Adding a couple of clean outs on new pipe should be no big deal. 

Post: PM changed the utilities too early and now we're stuck holding the bag

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No way lights are running up a bill by $250 in an apartment. Maybe the heat was left high, which is more likely. Still, not changing over the utilities in the winter is stupid but the PM should have checked the unit to make sure everything was set properly - heat down but not off, lights off, etc. 

Post: Eastern Tennessee STR/MTR

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Quote from @Allie William Wilson:
Quote from @JD Martin:
Quote from @Allie William Wilson:

Hello there,

My husband and I are investors with a few LTRs in the Midwest. I am from North Carolina originally and looking to buy our next property in eastern Tennessee. We have been in touch with a few investor realtors in the Knoxville area, which seems to be largely discovered now. The Sevierville/Pigeon Forge/Gatlingburg area seems very overblown these days, so I'm not keen on the region. We want a slightly less discovered region. I'm more a fan of Boone rather than Asheville (in NC speak) - the smaller, more authentic mountain experience rather than the touristy mountain regions. Roan Mountain and Watagua Lake are also favorites. Thus, we are looking into the Johnson City-Elizabethton area or the Kingsport-Bristol area. We are leaning more toward Johnson City just due to location, size, and economy/industries that are there. This next investment for us will be our first venture into STRs (or even a MTR). We travel for work (healthcare) and chronically live out of MTRs, so it will be our first time operating a shorter term, but won't be an entirely foreign situation to us. This STR would also be a place for us to block dates off for ourselves between work contracts (if we want to), which adds a slightly more personal investment in this one.

My question is this - does Johnson City receive enough visitation to justify a successful STR? I know the university, the med school, and the hospital are there, so surely an MTR would work well. Though what about STR? Does anyone know stats on this or have personal experience in this region? We would love and welcome any feedback! Thank you.

I live here and the answer is no. We do get people coming through for ETSU and Milligan graduations, temporary stays for the VA, and some tourism in the summer and fall but you're not going to stay heavily booked.

I have lived here for over 30 years and am a licensed broker here, as well as having all of my rentals here in town, and would consider myself an expert on this market.

Don't listen to anyone lumping JC in with Watauga Lake or Roan Mountain. It's 40+ minutes from either one to JC and people who stay out at the lake are a different group than would stay in JC for events there.

Hi, JD! Thanks for your reply! This is super helpful and informative. Sounds like it could be a decent LTR situation, but you answered my concern on if a STR would really stay booked enough to justify a purchase. Thank you!

It's still a good market for long term rentals but the returns are not what they were 10 years ago - but if you can get past overly optimistic suggested ROI, it's a really solid market.

Post: Eastern Tennessee STR/MTR

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Quote from @Sunil Ghosal:

Would not recommend the East TN region to anyone right now. We have a few properties there. There is such a massive oversupply of units in that region that it will likely affect other neighboring regions for the next few years.

 There's no massive oversupply in the Tri Cities and nothing in Sville/PF/Gburg is going to affect it as it's an hour plus drive away. There's just not a big demand here for STRs. The supply and demand are pretty balanced.

Most of our growth over the past 5 years is from in-migration from more expensive states. These are permanent residents. These days I have about 50% interest in our rentals from out of staters.

Post: Eastern Tennessee STR/MTR

JD Martin
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Quote from @Allie William Wilson:

Hello there,

My husband and I are investors with a few LTRs in the Midwest. I am from North Carolina originally and looking to buy our next property in eastern Tennessee. We have been in touch with a few investor realtors in the Knoxville area, which seems to be largely discovered now. The Sevierville/Pigeon Forge/Gatlingburg area seems very overblown these days, so I'm not keen on the region. We want a slightly less discovered region. I'm more a fan of Boone rather than Asheville (in NC speak) - the smaller, more authentic mountain experience rather than the touristy mountain regions. Roan Mountain and Watagua Lake are also favorites. Thus, we are looking into the Johnson City-Elizabethton area or the Kingsport-Bristol area. We are leaning more toward Johnson City just due to location, size, and economy/industries that are there. This next investment for us will be our first venture into STRs (or even a MTR). We travel for work (healthcare) and chronically live out of MTRs, so it will be our first time operating a shorter term, but won't be an entirely foreign situation to us. This STR would also be a place for us to block dates off for ourselves between work contracts (if we want to), which adds a slightly more personal investment in this one.

My question is this - does Johnson City receive enough visitation to justify a successful STR? I know the university, the med school, and the hospital are there, so surely an MTR would work well. Though what about STR? Does anyone know stats on this or have personal experience in this region? We would love and welcome any feedback! Thank you.

I live here and the answer is no. We do get people coming through for ETSU and Milligan graduations, temporary stays for the VA, and some tourism in the summer and fall but you're not going to stay heavily booked.

I have lived here for over 30 years and am a licensed broker here, as well as having all of my rentals here in town, and would consider myself an expert on this market.

Don't listen to anyone lumping JC in with Watauga Lake or Roan Mountain. It's 40+ minutes from either one to JC and people who stay out at the lake are a different group than would stay in JC for events there.

Post: Advice on Managing Rental Properties Post-Divorce

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Quote from @Meliisa Lee:

I’m navigating a divorce and need advice on handling rental properties we co-own. My spouse was the primary decision-maker, and I’m unsure whether to keep my share, sell, or hire a property manager.

For those who’ve faced similar situations, what worked best for you? Any tips on managing joint ownership or deciding to hold or sell would be greatly appreciated.


Ideally one side would sell out to the other, as divorce is often acrimonious or can become such. If not, then you really need a strong legal structure stating how these properties will be governed going forward, including management, tenant selection, capital expenses, etc. If neither wants to sell you may consider putting everything into a jointly owned LLC with governing documents spelling all of this out.

Post: Seller won’t return EM

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Quote from @Russell Brazil:
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Quote from @Josh Holley:

I just replied that encroachment was shown on previous survey. 


 In that case you should get an attorney involved as encroachment would be a material issue that if known should have been disclosed both to the broker and to any potential buyer. 


 Remember that disclosure laws vary greatly by state, with roughly 50% of states operating under Caveat Emptor...which means no disclosure at all. A quick search shows that Ohio is a Caveat Emptor state with only 1 exception, latent defects. A roof extending over a lot line would not be latent, as it is observable with the naked eye.


 Good point, as I was just thinking about my own state. I don't know Ohio's laws regarding disclosure, so it sounds like that may not be applicable.

Post: Seller won’t return EM

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I just replied that encroachment was shown on previous survey. 


 In that case you should get an attorney involved as encroachment would be a material issue that if known should have been disclosed both to the broker and to any potential buyer. 

Post: Seller won’t return EM

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Quote from @Josh Holley:
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Quote from @Stuart Udis:

@Josh Holley It appears you have a personal bone to pick with James given his brokerage is not even holding the deposit money. An important fact you omitted. Also you mention he has an awful reputation yet you acknowledged in your initial post you repeatedly buy properties his brokerage represents...not quite adding up. Also a $5k deposit on a $120K purchase isn't abnormal by any means, its less than 5% and this is something you negotiated. 

 More to the point of your post, the agreement of sale should have language detailing precisely how the escrow funds are released to buyer or seller. Independent of the agreement instructions, regardless if its a title company or brokerage who is serving as the escrow agent, its rare for the deposit to be released without a mutual sign off or court order because there are disputed facts. That's the norm. 

What contingencies were included in your purchase and were you within those contingency periods? How did current owner finance the property or were they unable to finance the property due to the encroachment and was this information withheld in disclosures?  Is this roofline encroachment issue customary in this market? These are the facts that will be most relevant to you moving forward. 

This information was withheld in disclosures. Given the seller owns both properties it’s quite obvious they were aware. 

 How would you know that the seller knew the roof encroached on the other property?

Seller owns both properties. Survey was done prior and it is shown. 

 Ok but "should have known" and "did know" are two different standards, and unless the seller had a survey done before it was put up for sale that clearly labels the roof as crossing survey boundaries, I doubt you can make a case there for fraud ( which is what willful failure to disclose is).

Post: Building a Long-Term Affordable Housing Strategy

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OK, so after reading your post, my main and only thought was:

Why?

What is the point of what you hope to do? I'm going to turn your idea into swiss cheese here, so don't get offended - maybe it will let you consider other angles here.

1. Your timeline made me laugh out loud. No one on this board or their kids are going to be alive on this planet for your timeline of 100-200 years. Think about where this country was 200 years ago and compare it to now. Now, think about the acceleration of technology and imagine 200 years into the future. You are attempting to create the Roman Empire here, something that lasts into perpetuity, when today you're lucky if you can create something that lasts 20 years. 

2. What is the societal value of driving down rents over time? The creation of some type of socialistic egalitarian society? It counteracts human nature, which is laziness, greediness, self-centeredness. Even in the nascent years of Communism, the idea was dead within 10 years; the Soviets only managed to recreate a society of oligarchs and peasants under the lip service of equality. The Chinese got a little smarter and have tried to overlay capitalism on top of it, unsuccessfully. Various other societies have more or less income and living inequality but none can counteract human nature, which is why some form of capitalism is inevitable.

3. Who is going to want to invest in a scheme of diminishing returns? You're talking about programs generally run by the government as the operator of last resort because no one else can make enough money to make it make sense. Where do you expect to receive the money to buy out your "partners" in these companies as you drive returns into the ground? 

Overall, it sounds to me like you want to help the poor. If you want to help the poor, force them to learn financial management and get up and get to work. Better yet, accept the fact that there are always going to be the poor, and a good number of these people - especially in class-movable societies like the US - are going to be there because they aren't motivated enough to do anything further. 



Why This Matters: A Cultural Heritage Endowment Leveraging Time for Economic Growth

The purpose of this initiative extends beyond creating affordable housing or financial returns—it’s about leveraging time, the most valuable resource, to create enduring cultural and economic value. This is a cultural heritage endeavor that integrates the principles of time, value creation, and sustainable growth.

Much like pension funds hedge risks by leveraging long-term investment horizons, this model uses time as a financial and strategic asset. By focusing on incremental growth over decades, it mitigates short-term volatility while building a foundation for sustained impact.

How This Model Works

  1. Leveraging Time = Money
    Time is the ultimate hedge against risk. By spreading the investment horizon across decades, this initiative builds resilience into its model. Long-term planning allows for steady growth, compounding returns, and the flexibility to adapt to economic and societal changes. This isn’t about immediate affordability; it’s about creating a sustainable system that gradually reduces costs and increases accessibility through scale and efficiency.
  2. Institutionalizing Cultural and Economic Value
    Similar to how pension funds and university endowments operate, this model institutionalizes cultural value. Real estate serves as the foundation, generating the income needed to reinvest in initiatives that preserve cultural heritage, create jobs, and support community growth.
  3. Diversified Value Creation
    • Real Estate Portfolio: Profits from rental income, property flips, and value-add projects fuel the system.
    • Trade Development: Integrating businesses like plumbing companies creates a pipeline for stable, high-paying careers while addressing labor shortages.
    • Cultural Growth: Revenue is reinvested into programs that promote education, workforce development, and cultural preservation. This aligns with the principle that you earn 10% of the value you create.
  4. Hedging Risk Through Long-Term Strategy
    Just as pension funds mitigate risk by diversifying and committing to long-term growth, this model spreads risk across various income streams and a timeline that prioritizes adaptability and stability. Time allows for adjustments, scaling, and reinvestment in ways that short-term projects simply can’t achieve.


 Value Creation Framework

You write well and it's obviously something of interest to you, but I still don't hear a "Why" in there. Speak to us as if we were 4th graders - why is creating this time model cultural heritage important? What do you hope to accomplish? End homelessness? Create an equal society? Transfer wealth from rich to poor? What is the point of this endeavor?