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All Forum Posts by: Jared Sandler

Jared Sandler has started 62 posts and replied 115 times.

Post: Coronavirus Impact & Discussion

Jared SandlerPosted
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First of all, it is most important that everyone remains safe and I don't want this thread to suggest anything otherwise, but curious how you all are dealing with this on the work side? I know some folks have the luxury to just step aside until further notice while others need to remain active...

Are you noticing any change in activity thus far?

For those unable to make rent due to loss of job etc., how are you handling?

What else has stood out to you?

I can't tell you how many horror stories I've heard from folks about their GCs totally messing up their investment properties in one of a variety of ways. We allow our borrowers to choose their GC but prefer that they've had experience with them and warn them about the importance that they trust them. Even still, we'll vet them. We also have some GCs we will recommend out but that list is made up of those with whom we have lots of experience and it all started with a deep vetting process. A GC can absolutely turn an outstanding opportunity into a loss if they aren't up to snuff. 

Sometimes people want to "manage" or "coach" a bad contractor but you just can't. It doesn't work. In some cases you have time early in the project to cut bait and find another one before it is too late. If you wait to long, you might have missed a small window to salvage the project.

Here are some red flags for bad contractors courtesy of the Asset Based Lending Blog (abl1.net)

  • They don’t want to sign an independent contractor agreement.
  • They resist getting specific with milestones and deadlines.
  • They resist giving you referrals or allowing you to visit a current work site.
  • They may hedge on pricing and estimates. While it’s true that every project’s cost will “depend,” a good contractor won’t hesitate to provide an estimate and include variables.
  • They do provide an estimate, but it’s far lower than others. Beware an estimate that seems too good to be true, and/or one that lacks detail.

Here are some things we have found helpful...

*Make your scope of work as detailed as possible. Be as clear with your GC as you can be about what and where and how, etc. When you think you're overdoing it with the detail and the specificity, keep on doing it a bit more and then you're probably fine.

*One of the things we advise our borrowers is to not overpay the contractor so as to keep the carrot in front of them. I know we all like to get payments out of the way when possible but don't overdo it for them to lose some edge. 

*The aforementioned ABL blog makes a great point about writing in deductions into contracts, if possible, for tardiness. It is important to know, as the blog indicates, what is and isn't a legit excuse. Extreme weather or the uncovering of more problems is fair, whereas lack of organization and communication certainly is not. Subs being busy is not a good excuse.

After finding an HML that will lend where your prospect house is (most will only lend in major metro areas or have steeper rates if they do lend outside metro areas), I would ask these questions:

Are you a direct lender?

This will be a gateway question. If the answer is no, that means they are a broker of some type. Typically this means they will take longer to close, may not have all the information of the companies they work with, and most hard money brokers get their money by taking an existing product and adding extra points to pay their fee. Only continue on if the answer is yes. The person you are speaking to should have an email address with the name of the company and work directly for that company. Otherwise you could be getting yourself in to a bad situation.

What is your investor success rate?

This is important to know but can be lied about very easily. Many don’t track this statistic. I don’t know if it is because they don’t really care or just haven’t thought of it. I think it is probably the most important stat. Look for groups who offer referrals to local contractors, Relators, etc. Also, look for groups that have boots on the ground in each market that know the specifics of investing in that area.

How many loans have you closed in this month?

Any good HML will know this number off the top of their head. You want a lender that is busy and closing loan in your area. Who cares if they closed 100 loans in other states, find out what they are doing in the same area you plan to be. If they are closing a lot of loans, they probably have something good to offer. A good number will vary based on the current market and the size of your metro area.

What is your maximum LTV and Initial Funding?

This is normally expressed as a percentage and that percentage is of the ARV. Most companies are between 65% and 75%. The higher the percentage, the better for you. That means they will lend more. Initial funding levels are a back way of putting the down payment required. If a company says they have 85% initial funding, what they really mean is they are going to require you to pay 15% of the purchase price as a down payment on top of the closing costs and LTV requirements. Right now most HMLs are between 85% up to 100% initial funding. Initial funding of 100% means there would be no down payment.

Do you require an appraisal and survey?

Most HMLs will require these. I am wary of the ones that don’t require an appraisal. The lender will perform a desktop appraisal but they will typically have a short view on the value of the property to protect the company’s investment which means you will be coming out of pocket more. Small-time HMLs may not require an appraisal but this could be because they will drive out and view the property themselves. Survey is a toss-up on whether or not it will be required.

Is there a pre-payment penalty?

Some will require you to pay the interest through the term or another length no matter how long you hold the loan. Just make sure that you include this requirement in your costs.

Do you have relationships with refinance lenders?

Make sure that they have a good relationship with companies that will refinance the loan for you if you are using a BRRRR method. You want to see something that has low or no seasoning for a cash out refi or that may require low amount of documents.

What is your draw fee & benchmarks for the repairs portion of the borrowed money?

Know what your fees will be to take out the repair money borrowed. Draws are almost always held back until you reach certain points in the project or that work is completed. They will also charge you to have an inspection by a 3rd party to make sure the work is done. I have seen this range from as low as $100 up to $300.

Do I need to pay anything before sitting at the closing table?

There have been numerous people on BP talking about how they paid application fees but they could never get their loans closed on any deal brought to the company. This is a practice by some less than reputable companies. One I saw charged $500 upfront to be pre-approved and would never actually fund any loans. Just beware. Most reputable HMLs will not charge anything until you are sitting at the closing table and all fees will be listed on the HUD-1 closing document.

And of course, what are the points, interest, and attorney/document/admin fees for the loan?

This will vary based on region but in general 2 – 5 points, 11% - 14% APR (meaning this is the annual rate so divide it by 12 to get the monthly interest amount), and documents fees can be from $600 – $1,900. The document fees are what will vary wildly from company to company. Just know them going in so that you can properly budget. You will also want to find out if payments are interest only or if some principal is built in. Most hard money will be interest only payments on the full approved balance of the loan whether or not if you have pull the draw funds for repairs.

If you have any other questions, post them below so that we can all learn from the answers.

@Odie Ayaga @Kerry Baird Odie, I agree that experience helps but we've really enjoyed working with newer or first-timers. It's a little more work on our end but I love the relationship building part of it. At the end of the day, the lender and borrower have the exact same goal so really no conflict of interest and that understanding is key. 

Post: What do you look for in investment properties?

Jared SandlerPosted
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@Neil Aggarwal no doubt. what areas have you found are less saturated right now?

Post: What do you look for in investment properties?

Jared SandlerPosted
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I know we all want a great spread but what are the specifics you like when seeking out potential properties?

Post: Using Hard Money for a BRRRR

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@Jennifer Ryan It's a viable option and we've seen so many get involved because of it. Even with closing costs, you're staying more liquid. On a 200k ARV deal on a 100k purchase with 40k rehab, you're only bringing around 8-9k to close.

Post: Using Hard Money for a BRRRR

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This is just a quick example of how to use hard money in a BRRRR. If you have any questions, post them here and tag me.

Quick Example:

Purchase: $125k

Repairs: $20k

ARV: $200k

Points: 3

Interest: 13%

Fees: $1,030

Total Cash to Close: $5,380

Monthly Interest only Pmts: $1,585

Total Financing Costs (3 months): $5,380+$1,585+$1,585+$1,585=$10,135

Cashout Refi at 75% of ARV = $150k

$145k (Borrowed Amt) + $10,135 (Points + 3 months Interest) +$2,100 (Est Title Closing Costs) + $2,900 (Est Utilities + Prop Tax) = $160,135 Total Investment - $150k Cashout Refi = $10,135 Total Cash Invested in Property

If you are use the Buy Rehab Rent Refi Repeat method that is promoted on this site you can buy rental properties for just $10,135 for a property worth $200k (or roughly 5% down with no PMI). This is how I bought my two duplexes and my Airbnb.

If you have any questions, please let me know.