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All Forum Posts by: Gardy Saturne

Gardy Saturne has started 15 posts and replied 63 times.

Originally posted by @Odie Ayaga:

To be honest I don't see much of a downside here. You'd have to sign and that includes a personal guarantee, but it's a business venture and it's hard money. I've never heard of a hard money lender going after anything other than the property in the event of a default and since it's a business endeavor I don't see it affecting your personal credit, but you might want to ask around and get more opinions to ensure that's the case.

 The numbers do make sense. Properties in that area ( Westfield NJ ) are usually selling about 45 days or less. It's about 90-120 day rehab. The upside everything looks go. Just want to make sure I'm covered in the event things don't work out well. 

Originally posted by @Jeff Cichocki:

@Gardy Saturne, The only downside to this is... What if it doesn't go as planned? What if he can't refi you out? What if he tries to fire sale the property at a loss? Do you share in that loss?

The upside looks good. Just makes sure the downside is covered as well.

 Hi Jeff - thanks for the insight. I like the fact you mentioned fire sale if we end up looking at a loss. I'll touch base on that before i sign on anything and get it on contract. Thanks again.  

Lender is giving 90% of purchase price & 100% of rehab cost ( Sry for confusion) .. I'm just meeting the investors for the first time through a mutual contractor that does their work. 

What's up BP. An investor reached out to me to become a credit partner in a flip deal. They are using hard money to purchase a property for a rehab. They have the cash reserves, putting the down payment with the lender, but would like to leverage my credit profile to get 90% LTV. In exchange they are offering 25% of the net profit after the flip. If they can't sell the property in time, the game plan is to go a cash out refi. Pay off the lender, pay me the 25% then they will keep the property as a buy and hold. I've also contacted my lawyer for a contract. This will be my first major real estate transaction. Just looking for any advice on what I should look out.

Thanks.  

Post: New REI Investor - New Jersey Market

Gardy SaturnePosted
  • Investor
  • Ohio
  • Posts 70
  • Votes 22

Property walk through went well today. Landlord is highly motivated to sell. House has been vacant for 2 years. Landlord is also 2 hours away. 

Post: The Rise (and Fall) of the Bro Investor

Gardy SaturnePosted
  • Investor
  • Ohio
  • Posts 70
  • Votes 22
Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:
Originally posted by @Jonathan Greene:

@Gardy Saturne because the sellers have to organize a new place to go to and get moved AND because they are about to be foreclosed on, the bank doesn't want to wait for them to move so I am going to close first and lease back the property to them on a free Use & Occupancy Agreement so they can stay for free. They have been personally vetted by me and have no reason to holdover as I am paying more than they own the bank so they can have money to move as well. So I will close and then let them move and then renovate. In most cases you would do this for a fee, but it didn't make sense in this context for me.

I used to do a ton of this at least 200 of these deals .. but then our great state made it illegal to do foreclosure rescue lease back in any manner and on top of that if you sell the home within 2 years you have to give 80% of any profit to those you bought it from.. 

What this did was create a situation were ONE people broke the law .. since they did not know the laws this happens all the time just like wholesaling our state is pretty much illegal if you market a property you don't own but it happens every day.. We were far to big to take on the liability of breaking those laws. So play the cards your dealt.. foreclosure rescue is a nice niche served me well when it was legal here. However side note Much easier said than done.. I had a crew of 6 who door knocked every NOD in my 2 mil metro market and this resulted in 1 maybe 3 deals a month or about 30 a year on average.. 99% of those in foreclosure are in serious denial.. or the lender cuts a deal or someone buys it out from under you.. its a lot of leg work that as individuals if you don't have teams pretty tough.. you could nail one now and again but we were looking for scale.

HI Jay - how does you and your team handle negative objections to door knocking ? 

Post: The Rise (and Fall) of the Bro Investor

Gardy SaturnePosted
  • Investor
  • Ohio
  • Posts 70
  • Votes 22
Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:
Originally posted by @Jonathan Greene:

@Gardy Saturne because the sellers have to organize a new place to go to and get moved AND because they are about to be foreclosed on, the bank doesn't want to wait for them to move so I am going to close first and lease back the property to them on a free Use & Occupancy Agreement so they can stay for free. They have been personally vetted by me and have no reason to holdover as I am paying more than they own the bank so they can have money to move as well. So I will close and then let them move and then renovate. In most cases you would do this for a fee, but it didn't make sense in this context for me.

I used to do a ton of this at least 200 of these deals .. but then our great state made it illegal to do foreclosure rescue lease back in any manner and on top of that if you sell the home within 2 years you have to give 80% of any profit to those you bought it from.. 

What this did was create a situation were ONE people broke the law .. since they did not know the laws this happens all the time just like wholesaling our state is pretty much illegal if you market a property you don't own but it happens every day.. We were far to big to take on the liability of breaking those laws. So play the cards your dealt.. foreclosure rescue is a nice niche served me well when it was legal here. However side note Much easier said than done.. I had a crew of 6 who door knocked every NOD in my 2 mil metro market and this resulted in 1 maybe 3 deals a month or about 30 a year on average.. 99% of those in foreclosure are in serious denial.. or the lender cuts a deal or someone buys it out from under you.. its a lot of leg work that as individuals if you don't have teams pretty tough.. you could nail one now and again but we were looking for scale.

 Thanks for the insight. Someone suggested Doorknocking as a marketing technique for me. 
How has your team handle any negative objections ? 

Post: The Rise (and Fall) of the Bro Investor

Gardy SaturnePosted
  • Investor
  • Ohio
  • Posts 70
  • Votes 22
Originally posted by @Jonathan Greene:

@Gardy Saturne because the sellers have to organize a new place to go to and get moved AND because they are about to be foreclosed on, the bank doesn't want to wait for them to move so I am going to close first and lease back the property to them on a free Use & Occupancy Agreement so they can stay for free. They have been personally vetted by me and have no reason to holdover as I am paying more than they own the bank so they can have money to move as well. So I will close and then let them move and then renovate. In most cases you would do this for a fee, but it didn't make sense in this context for me.

Thanks for the insight. How do you handle when they don't move within the 90 days ? 

Post: The Rise (and Fall) of the Bro Investor

Gardy SaturnePosted
  • Investor
  • Ohio
  • Posts 70
  • Votes 22

@Jonathan Greene

Can you explain more on the 90day leaseback ?

Post: What is the best CRM to use ?

Gardy SaturnePosted
  • Investor
  • Ohio
  • Posts 70
  • Votes 22

I would like something where I can import my skip trace data. Then manage leads and push appointments. Would be great if they can go to my google calendar. It’s a two man operation right now so we use the same login. So far I’m Working my way around podio. I think I’m more interested in keep tracking track of data such as how many calls/appts/offers = closed deal.