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All Forum Posts by: Bill Gulley

Bill Gulley has started 163 posts and replied 19766 times.

Post: Tenant Rules set by Landlord

Bill Gulley#3 Guru, Book, & Course Reviews ContributorPosted
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Couldn't help  it, glanced at some posts, LOL

Students, I rented to them for about 12 years, no real issues because there is a simple solution"

No young student has a rental history, but I want to give them an opportunity to lease. The tenants are then student and mom and dad. Doctor dad replaced the carpet in one of my units, no issue.

The consumption of booze is legal in every state, city and nook by those legally of age.  

You can't enforce the amount of beer a tenant keeps on hand, that's really none of your business, so long as its legal. 

What you can enforce is conduct under the influence or just plain conduct, can't be loud, can't throw up on the lawn or carpet......it's not the amount of beer it's the conduct you need to curb.

College kids are young adults, still learning, instead of commanding them, lead them, give them room to live just like yourself, let them know when they get out of line.

I found the best teaching tool was in their pocket, money, I had a fine system that became part of the rent due, if unpaid they defaulted on paying rent, that means leave. Fines were an hourly charge for the time required to address administrative matters that they caused. They soon learednot to rock the boat. :) 

Post: Tenant Rules set by Landlord

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Originally posted by @Kenneth Garrett:

I have a number of rental units where I use the MLS rental lease. I use this so I make sure I meet the state requirements. I do not have a list of guidelines and/or rules that the tenant signs other then what is in the lease. I feel like maybe I have been fortunate up to this point.

Is anyone willing to share what they use for property rules? 

I didn't  read 26 posts, just say'n.....

Do not try to be a helicopter landlord with rules that many dream up, they can bite you.

When you lease a residence there are certain rights of use and quiet enjoyment ranted to the tenant, landlords often go too far trying to reduce their risks which are expected t be  taken by a landlord.

Silly example: No candles allowed! So, you can't have a birthday cake for little Billy.....seriously!

Or, they are Jewish and light candles at religious holidays, OK hovering landlord, try that!

Think about how your rules affect their rights to carry on the same rights as an owner, which is what you convey by a lease, you can cover illegal activities easily, no business concerns in a residence, pet policies, care of the property, even additional administrative aspects that were not expected when the rents were established, like police calls, neighbor complaints, picking up trash or additional things they cause you to deal with. 

Before you jump into a rule book, see your attorney! 

If you can't grant owner's rights as to use and enjoyment then don't be a landlord. :)  

Post: Pet Removal Notice Template

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Otherwise, it's simply a notice of breach of agreement. I wouldn't toss out a pet either, I might toss out the tenant, wouldn't even suggest they lose the pet (at least for dogs, cats or caged pets like a hamster, snakes are a different matter and that gets the tenant tossed!)

Mindy nailed it on ESA's or service animals. 

You can verify with the doctor's script, but there is no legally defined certification of training for animals, especially ESA, if the tenant says I feel better with Fido,  that's all the need to say. 

Fleas, I'd charge the tenant to get rid of them.

Another thing, the tenant can be required to show shot record, any registration required, current tags and proper care, there are meds for fleas, take that up with your city health department most likely.    :)

Post: Using a personal loan to purchase real estate

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Originally posted by @Matthew Law:

Woah! @Bill Gulley could you elaborate a bit? I did do a quick search of your posts, but I definitely don't want to be classified as a slumlord. I mean, I'm sure most landlords don't set out to be slumlords, but I don't even think I could stand that perception of my business.

To explain a little further, and to build off @Mike Cumbie, this is a personal loan, with the justification of "buying property" (or something to that effect), to cover a significant portion of the purchase and rehab costs I cannot cover out of pocket. Then, the plan is to refinance and hold, because that's how my numbers seem to be working. I may sell if the numbers work that way, but this is not really a hot market either.

I don't believe there is anything wrong with using current market rents to justify why I can only put so much into the property. The property is perfectly habitable. However, I can do a significant update and make the right repairs with the numbers I see right now, but I cannot justify over-rehabbing when the intention is to hold as a rental and in a market where it doesn't make sense.

I don't mean to sound defensive, but please tell me if I'm missing something here.

Don't take that as you'll be a slumlord, you're right, many begin with low end properties with good intentions, but the economic constraints begin to play and pretty soon, you won't put more money in because your return is the most important aspect. That's an issue .......

If you're only investing for cash flow, you're missing the scope of real estate investing. 

You're right, don't over build, you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear, so don't buy a sow's ear, Do buy the cheapest house on the block, that gives you room to force appreciation.

Unless you're a cash buyer, don't buy homes you can't finance!

You might be putting he cart before  the horse, trying to serve the needs of lower income students, that can be great, but you buy the property first for potential, then fill with that  target market. If the property isn't bankable you need to be in that with your cash, or a partner with cash. 

Easy to buy, hard to sell, that's what a property can be that can't fit bank financing. If you can't get a loan then your perspective buyers will  all need to be cash buyers.......why limit the possibilities. 

Look also at neighborhoods, gentrification, is the area in decline, can you improve the neighborhood to improve your properties? Is the property desirable, that is a function of value.  If you end up buying or selling on cash flow, without potential you're losing money. 

I suggest strongly you not take funds from an individual to buy and rehab on an unsecured basis, probably best to partner. With any other financing you'll be in a position of borrowed funds in your deal, mentioned above, partner and you two will be using your own money together.

 Slumlords are often created because of poor purchase decisions. :)     

Post: Can you really get started with no money and bad credit ?

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@Sharon Tippett

Let's not be naive. 

Basic economics, look up factors of production, land, labor, capital and entrepreneurship. For any transaction 3 or the 4 must  be present, but land is always present and you may substitute 2 of the other 3. 

In other words, you will have land, transactions take place on earth, not in space. Land is always utilized one way or another to support any transaction. In RE, it's the subject of the transaction.

If there is a shortage of any of those functions, then more of other aspects must be employed.

I have no cash, so it takes more labor and entrepreneurship or management, substitute any of those to arrive at a successful conclusion.

Credit is not a necessary function, but it sure helps in real estate and finance.

Land is always present, you conduct your business someplace and in RE, it's the subject of the deal.

You will need to provide labor and management if you have no capital.

We can assume you know how to work.

That leaves management, that requires an education! The more you know the more management you can add.

You do not get a proper education from any guru, none, nor do you by following some hustler or fast talking wheeler dealer off the internet. 

BP is marketed as an education site for real estate investors, that's marketing (what I call the art of deceit), what it is is a social site, designed to generate activity that is the basis for any internet business. Money is made by dues, advertising and the sale of materials which do not teach management or real estate in a conventional manner for business.

Being young and new to the world of business you have another hill to climb.

Business! 

Everyone on BP has been a consumer, they believe that teaches them how to conduct business.....couldn't be more wrong, that experience is one sided as a consumer, or perhaps from an employee position, that is woefully lacking a business knowledge. 

Being motivated and excited doesn't take the place of a proper education, never has and never will. 

The internet and real estate are full of sizzle salesmen, selling the sizzle without any or very much meat.,  Newbies mistake this as learning real estate, you're not, you're learning how  to be a hustler.

Ron La Grinch does not teach real estate or business, he  shows sizzle and how to hustle a deal, it's not even business in this industry. 

 Now, in general, lets take the average youthful person. Intelligence has nothing to do with being naive, that goes to wisdom, that goes to maturity and experience, no youthful  person has these under their belt yet. What eagerness breeds is misjudgment and the lack of due diligence. We can also toss in lazy, but that's not totally correct, it's about attitude of wanting things now without putting forth the needed effort to benefit as many believe they are entitled to.

So, a slap of reality, you're not ready to be "in business". But, you also have to try and fail to learn. Success is a long line of failures. An education keeps you from failing as much and it allows you to enter the business realm with less liability, keeps you in a position to manage your affairs and do so legally.

You may have seen me say that real  property is not personal property and we do not deal with it in the same way, it is not managed alike. You never learned the difference being a consumer of personal property, no one does. 

As mentioned, land is a basic function of economic transactions, not cars, or bananas or shoes. Land transactions are highly regulated and  for good reason, if land ownership were not possible in our economy your world would be much different.

We have the gurus, con artists, wheeler dealers and hustlers who totally ignore ethics, laws, regulations and good business practices (unknowingly and intentionally) for money, that is your money. Your only real defense in any business from getting scammed is an education and experience. You'll have to begin with an education.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions, wanting to be right isn't always the right thing.

Lastly, hearing "how to" from someone with experience can be dangerous to your future. We have many old hands at real estate pitching outdated dealing, they never stayed current. The other issue is those who only learn by  experience usually didn't really learn the right way or the ethical and legal way, they made (or  took) money and didn't get slammed in jail (they don't tell you of their past troubles either). So, it's not just experience you need to consider but listening to but who's experience is it! Understand who you're listening to! 

I've done many deals without using my money, my credit was never an issue in most of my dealings.

What can be critical is the perception of others thinking you have good credit, that really is based on your ethical behavior, how you present yourself professionally......again, education is the foundation here. Your integrity is more important than credit!

If you do deals that skirt laws and regulations, you're not really ethical, that type of person usually has bad credit, they resort to under handed tactics because they are desperate, don't be desperate. Don't let motivation and eagerness turn into desperation. 

Just like any other industry, a core education is necessary to ensure success, an education doesn't guarantee success, but neither does being naive or under handed, a good education is your best path.  

Good luck :)

Post: New to Wholesaling. Question on Direct Mail

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LOL, "hotbeds of illegal activity" yep, it sure is! 

Josh said long ago that they can see the sites of visitors who come and lurk, (so can I with  GREA,) and that law enforcement and government offices have been here. 

It's not like they don't know who and what, their issue is investigating with "cause" and what is suggested or even admitted to on the internet doesn't meet "just cause".

But, when a complaint is filed, watch out, and what was said may then be applicable.

I assure you, your law suit case will be followed by criminal action.

Entrapment is another issue for regulators, they can and do pose "undercover" but they don't post on the internet, doesn't mean they aren't here.  

I see that attorney asked for audit documents as rope to hang that guy with, he can get more than that through the court later on, so if he pulls anything dodging the request, it's just more nails in his coffin. A simple name search at the Recorder's office will tell them how many filings he had, not rocket science.

 In recent years, the FTC has become more active in advertising matters in real estate, claims made and inducements, those fines are not cheap!

 Mail fraud is something that is usually tacked on to real estate and finance violations,  use the mail to further an illegal activity,, that gets serious.

There are too many clowns in the center ring and  the gurus know a sucker is born every minute, there's no shortage of folks wanting to get rich the  easy way.

Just selling to buyers you know doesn't cure any issue, it's the buyer's side and it takes some effort to be properly educated, too lazy or too naive to know the difference between an education and guru hype or a real estate site that needs traffic for advertising dollars.......it's beyond me, especially when you hand them a basic education for free! 

Well, there's my rant for this week!   Good luck :)

Post: Using a personal loan to purchase real estate

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@Mathew Law

Which is what a slumlord is, search my posts for that term and you'll get a better picture of why real investors don't go there, and it's not all about cash flow.

Dealing with any insured lender, be very careful about claiming the use of funds, that is how loans are classified and misleading is a felony. But yes, if you can obtain unsecured funds for personal use you can use it to buy or rehab, if there is any other financing, you need to answer the question about.....is any part of the purchase financed or from borrowed funds? That includes money from Daddy.

There is no "technically" way around the use of funds, if you tell the bank it's bill consolidation you better pay off bills, buying another rental to earn money to pay your bills isn't a justification calling the loan a bill  consolidation matter.

Loan classifications generally go to the greater purpose of the use of funds, personal, business or real estate.   

Banks will work with borrowers, just be clear about the use of funds!  :)

Post: New to Wholesaling. Question on Direct Mail

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@John Thedford

Still preaching to the choir, hey....

Oh boy, using the mail to to say you're buying when you never do, oh what fun!

I doubt this bunch has ever heard of the FTC either and they are busy trying to dodge state investigators, LOL.

Good luck.......  :)  

Post: What's the best place to start

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Begin by searching in the blogs for "How to develop a good BS Meter"! Follow that advice.

Start with single family, 1-4 units, understand financing requirements first, then understand seller  financing from landlords getting out of RE. 

And yes, get your own home first. Good luck :)

Post: Be a lender/intermediary for buyers without a SS#?

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If anyone says there is a way around Dodd Frank they are misinformed or lying!

It states that any method or scheme that attempts to circumvent the intent of the Act will be subject to the provisions.... so there is no way around financing to owner occupants, especially after rehabs.

Follow the rules and the specific exceptions allowed.

The IRS is similar in applying installment sale rules.

See your attorney  :)