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All Forum Posts by: Fernando E.

Fernando E. has started 29 posts and replied 222 times.

Post: Recession Investing Strategy

Fernando E.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • SF Bay Area
  • Posts 234
  • Votes 103
Quote from @Wale Lawal:

@Fernando E.

Real estate investments in a recession, here are three helpful tips to keep in mind:

  • Consider location. Location is always an important factor in choosing real estate investments. If you’re looking at rental properties, get to know the area and take the temperature of the overall market. Ideally, you should be looking for rental property investments in areas where demand is high and rental rates would allow you to maintain the kind of profit margin you’re seeking.
  • Weigh cash flow. Cash flow refers to how much money you pocket after deducting expenses from rental incomes. In a recession, it might be necessary to keep a larger amount in cash reserves to cover expenses as they come up, especially if inflation remains high.
  • Compare financing options. If you need to finance an investment property, pay close attention to interest rates and loan options. Rates may start offer higher at the beginning of a recession and then drop as the Federal Reserve adjusts rate policy to encourage spending and borrowing. The timing for when you borrow can make a big difference in the cost of the loan overall.

It’s also important to do your due diligence and research any properties you’re interested in thoroughly. You don’t want to get into the buying process and find out the property has a sizable lien or the area where the property is located is scheduled to be rezoned.

If you’re looking at REITs and real estate crowdfunding instead of rental properties, consider the fees you might pay and the return potential for each one. Also, remember to take the holding period into account. With real estate crowdfunding, for example, your money might be tied up for five to seven years in a single property or handful of properties.

Good luck!

 @Wale Lawal great tips, I've been careful on the location, I intend to fly out and look at the market before I spent hundreds of thousand of dollars, I can spend $500 on a ticket and hotel. Thank you for the response!

Post: Recession Investing Strategy

Fernando E.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • SF Bay Area
  • Posts 234
  • Votes 103
Quote from @Ryan Kelly:

I'm specifically looking for options where there is seller financing. That eliminates the rate risk as I can work terms that will work now and in the future. Much harder to find, but that is my focus for the rest of 2022.

 @Ryan Kelly I think that's a great strategy to reduce the rate risk. Curious on rates on a seller financing, typically how much points is the delta between the bank rates and the seller financing rates. E.g. If the current bank rate is 6.5%, what will you expect a seller financing rate will be?  IF that's a dumb question apologies as I have never done a seller financing before. Thanks for the response

Post: Recession Investing Strategy

Fernando E.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • SF Bay Area
  • Posts 234
  • Votes 103
Quote from @Nathan Gesner:
Quote from @Fernando E.:

When others are greedy, be fearful. When others are fearful, be greedy.

I spent three months looking in 7-8 different states. Everything was a feeding frenzy with emotional buyers, not wise investors. I haven't found a deal, so I'm sitting and waiting. If the markets don't improve, I'll find a syndication or I'll do some major renovations to my existing properties. This won't last forever, then I'll get right back into it.


@Nathan Gesner I can imagine the feeding frenzy with emotional buyers, I was about to turn into that as we were looking into price cuts in Austin Texas. I took a step back and look at the macro economic condition, also the analysis made by Patrick Bet David in the housing market is controversial but reasonable, made me take a pause.  As a very experienced investor, what will you consider as a good deal for those that are just starting up i.e. have less than 3 house portfolio? Thanks for the response.

Post: Recession Investing Strategy

Fernando E.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • SF Bay Area
  • Posts 234
  • Votes 103
Quote from @Eric Yu:

I have cash on the sidelines, but I'm ready to deploy at any time for the right deal (underwriting an STR property that I'll likely offer on this week).

Overall, my buy box is a lot narrower than it was back earlier this year. There's deals that would've qualified that I'm being more conservative on now. 

I'm not too worried about super high interest rates because if there's any opportunity for me to get a good deal 15-20% under that isn't currently cash flowing, I imagine there'll be opportunities over the next 5 years to refinance (granted, I wouldn't take any super-negative deals, but I'd be open to negative cash flow up to $500/month). 

@Eric Yu Our first SFR was negative as well in Elk Grove, CA we sold it Q3 this year after holding for 3 years. We were negative about $300-500 a month, in hindsight it was not a great deal but the appreciation saved us and allowed us to get a good return. The area was developing and the community was good. The first deal is not always a home run but it did allowed us to learn. Curious, what is your exit strategy for a negative cash flow property? Also how do you fund the negative cash flow? Thanks for the response

Post: I got 210k to invest

Fernando E.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
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Agreed with the 2 gents on the duplex, also make sure you have a few months cash reserves. 

Post: QOTW: How did you / are you financing your investment properties?

Fernando E.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • SF Bay Area
  • Posts 234
  • Votes 103
Quote from @Alicia Marks:

Welcome to. our newest question of the week! We know that the fed is planning to raise rates this week and possibly several more times before the end of the year. This has investors recalibrating and rerunning their deals in progress to make their best decisions.

For those still purchasing, what is your method for financing? If you are getting private lenders, it would be helpful to mention your rates and terms. That helps people newer to looking for funding have a better idea as well. Here's to hunting deals!

I had some experience with hard money loan on a deal that fell through out of state so I have some idea on how that works. However, for my next deal, I will go conventional route 20-25% down. Plain and simple. I'll get creative as my portfolio grow.

Post: Recession Investing Strategy

Fernando E.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • SF Bay Area
  • Posts 234
  • Votes 103

Hi BP,

It's been a while since I posted, hope everyone is managing well despite the bad macro economic condition

Wanted to get your insight on your investing strategy in this recession, are you buying or holding cash to wait out the recession?

I'll start, I was helping family to hunt down a good property in Austin Texas, SFR, close to the tech hubs, got pre-approved and started searching. We ended up slowing down in the search as the interest rates continue to rise and the deals are no longer working - cash flow negative. For my own investing, I was looking for property in the bay area SF, looking for price cuts but numbers still don't work here unless I sell my SFR to buy a bigger house where I can build an ADU and house hack.

Historically, the shortest recession ends in 6 months, the longest a few year ala great depression. Hopeful that it ends within 1-2 years. I think the Fed will continue hiking the rate to control inflation and destroy consumer demand. I plan to continue educating myself listening to BP, find some creative way to reach my investing goal, saving cash and getting ready. How about you, what's your game plan?  Thanks and good luck! 

Post: Am I absolutely crazy here? (hint: probably.)

Fernando E.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • SF Bay Area
  • Posts 234
  • Votes 103

Hey @Rick Petersen first I love that you know your why, for family and generational wealth. This why will give you the fire when the hype and excitement of real estate investing is gone and you’re facing headwinds. Awesome.

Regarding the deal, I’ve been reading up and attended both @Brandon Turner and @David Greene books and webinar and I think you haven’t factored in the condition of the property, it’s location - neighborhood, both are crucial in multi family investments as the amount of work needed to  operationalize and achieve positive  pure cash flow between a C/D vs A/B property is significant. Also I would probably start with small Multi get my feet wet, also lower risk, lower down payment so even if issues arise you’re not over exposed that you lose your peace. Health first of body & mind. Slow & steady. Learning as you go. Good luck, you’ll do great with that why. Apply risk management & get a good team. 

Post: Any sign of stabilizing in Las Vegas market?

Fernando E.Posted
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  • SF Bay Area
  • Posts 234
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Thanks @Account Closed great insight! I sent you a connection request, I'm performing some due diligence for multi family in Las Vegas, Reno Nevada and also Florida.

@Ju Feng good luck in your search! 

Post: New Investor - Which market to pick?

Fernando E.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • SF Bay Area
  • Posts 234
  • Votes 103

Thanks @Eric Fernwood for sharing this, its very helpful.