Geez, Scott! You are REALLY getting desperate!
Originally posted by
@J Scott:
Originally posted by @David Dachtera:
Here's my point (for future readers of this thread)...
You claim to be affiliate of Renatus, so I will assume that to some degree, the things you say are representative of the things Renatus stands for and believes. With that in mind, here are just a few of the ridiculous things you've said, flip-flopped on and avoided throughout this thread:
- First, you seem to like to throw around personal insults. Your comment: "Give yourself a rectal craniotomy!" was by far my favorite. Just curious, does everyone in your organization insult people like that?
- You stated at one point that, "Everyone involved with a Renatus community is a volunteer." Then, at many other points, you talked about the opportunity for people to make money by marketing and recruiting students (you even said that you were an "affiliate." If Renatus is paying people to market for them, clearly your statement that everyone involved was a volunteer is a lie. Is that sort of lying endorsed by your company?
- You and Doug claimed full "transparency" and willingness to answer questions all throughout this thread. Then when I asked the question I felt was most important (why you don't provide any types of refunds or pay-as-you-go programs), you ducked it for several days, then you implied that it was okay because your competitors did the same thing, and then when I proved that you were factually incorrect, you resorted to the following quote, "I am not AUTHORIZED to give you any other kind of answer, nor would it be legally responsible for me to do so." If you really wanted to be transparent and answer questions, you would have gotten someone who WAS authorized to give an answer.
- But, instead of getting an answer to the question above, you stated, "go to the man who sets the policy: Bob Snyder and ask him." I said that if he were here, I'd be happy to ask him. You replied with, "It is not incumbent upon the owner of ANY business to attend a meeting or discussion of that business and it's policies. Who are YOU to expect him to acquiesce to your wishes?" In other words, your CEO is happy to answer my questions, unless it's about the "business and its policies." Would your CEO agree with that?
- Interestingly, while you claim that you're not authorized to answer a question like the one above, you were willing to say earlier in the thread that, based on your observations, the success rate of Renatus students was about 75%. Were you authorized to give that opinion? I think even your CEO would tell us that the 75% number is ludicrous -- and your lawyers would probably not be happy that you were even throwing out your unofficial belief. Regardless, I find it interesting how you won't answer a simple question because you're not authorized to, but you'll throw out potentially legally-incriminating statistics based on your opinions.
- You indicated that it would be cost-prohibited to try to track the results of your students. When I pointed out that it would only cost .005% of your revenue ($1 out of each $20,000 tuition), you ignored my point and insulted me once again, saying: "For an MBA, your lack of business savvy is as disturbing as your lack of understanding of what it takes to run a business." You never did address why Renatus believes that spending .005% of their gross revenue on tracking student success is cost-prohibitive.
- Along with the above, you claimed that no other institutions of higher learning tracked their student success, so why should you. When I pointed you to the HBS data, you hemmed and hawed and basically said that I can't compare Renatus to Harvard. Yet, you yourself compare Renatus to accredited universities on several occasions. Interesting how Renatus should be compared to universities on some things, but not when it comes to actually tracking it's own success.
- You claimed that you were being defensive because we were "bad-mouthing" your company. I asked several times about specific statements I made to bad-mouth your company, but you couldn't offer any. Basically, every time you couldn't justify statements you made or weren't comfortable answering difficult questions, your reaction was, "You're just bad-mouthing..." Your attempt at misdirection makes me wonder what else you're hiding.
Anyway, there's my summary of my discussion with you about Renatus. I sincerely appreciate you coming here and providing all that information -- I have a feeling that it will be tremendously helpful for any future member who comes here to get additional information on Renatus.
Lastly, I'll remind you that several pages back on this thread, I gave you the last word...but you just kept on going. Later in the thread, I pointed out that everyone else I had communicated with from Renatus seemed both logical and level-headed, and I suggested that you probably weren't doing Renatus any favors by continuing to post. But, again, you just kept on going. In my opinion, by continuing to post and throw out insults and ridiculousness, you have single-handedly made the entire company look horrible.
If Bob Snyder is as good of a guy as you say he is, I'd suggest that you probably owe him an apology for the damage you've done to his company on this thread.
Are you sure you want to keep going?
Not even close, Jason, not even close!
So, you think YOU have the exclusives on insults? Do what I told you: go back and re-read your own posts. I'm sure the audience-at-large will not hesitate to do so, if they think they see any value in it!
I said that everyone associated with a Renatus Community is a volunteer. Renatus affiliates/marketers, of course, are independent business people. With your multiple degrees - including an MBA, experience in Corporate America, and the astuteness and acumen you have gathered through both that and your real estate ventures to date, you should know better than to make such a ridiculous statement. Pedantics will get you nowhere.
So "transparancy" - to you, at least - means answering any question whether doing so is appropriate or not. Thank you for that little bit of education.
If you want answers, get them yourself! All through this thread you've been demanding that I do your homework for you. Truly successful people take things on their OWN initiative, and don't expect others to do it for them. (If you choose to take that as an insult, so be it - I cannot control your perceptions.)
"I pointed out that (tracking results) would only cost .005% of your revenue ($1 out of each $20,000 tuition ..." On what data did you base that assertion? Did you look up Renatus's revenue, client base and other business data some where and calculate that as a result?
"You're just bad-mouthing..." Can you actually quote that by post giving the date / time stamp from top of the post? (Hint: You won't find it, because it doesn't exist.) I made that reference in exactly ONE post, and not in those words - and we BOTH know it!
"... you claimed that no other institutions of higher learning tracked their student success, so why should you ..." Can you actually quote that by post giving the date / time stamp from top of the post? I don't recall my exact words without looking back. I recall suggesting that it was not a common practice, especially among the smaller institutions citing the cost of man-time and other resources as the limiting factor. I even itemized some of those costs for you.
"Lastly, ..." In the words of another poster, "Opinion". Other people's mileage may vary.
You ARE welcome to share your point of view with the audience of this forum, of course. So am I, as well as any other member of this website.
Trouble is, somewhere along the line you came to be of the opinion that only your opinion matters, and that Mr Snyder should run his business according to your dictates.
So, with that in mind, with your multiple degrees - including an MBA, experience in Corporate America, and the astuteness and acumen you have gathered through both that and your real estate ventures to date, how are you coming with your plan to:
1. Learn all you can about Renatus
2. Develop a plan to convert Renatus into an accredited (or accreditable) educational institution
3. Develop a presentation to Bob Snyder showing him how your plan will improve Renatus and make it a more effective channel of real estate investing education
4. Open discussions with Bob Snyder to arrange for an appointment to make your presentation
5. Explain to him how his existing marketing organization is both protected and enhanced by your plans
6. Explain to him how his other business goals are supported by your plans
7. Perhaps even suggest that since Renatus has no website like this of its own, that Renatus become BP's education arm so investors can avail themselves of the frequently updated on-line classes and have access to BP's resources and discussion forums.
Lastly, you are WWWAAAYYY too emotionally invested in this. Time to step back and decide what it is you're REALLY arguing for, although I'm sure you and I both know what it is ... and that it has NOTHING to do with Renatus, Bigger Pockets or real estate investing!
One of my mentors taught me something I have found invaluable. So, I think it's appropriate to pass along at this time: He simply said, "Refuse to let yourself feel offended."
I fully intended my "tip of the hat" post to be my last, but that wasn't possible.
Bottom line: as long as the attacks continue, the defensiveness will continue. The attacks have continued, so the defensiveness continues. I will continue to dispel the falsehoods, misinformation, speculation and conjecture for as long as it continues to appear here.
I've said it before, and I will say it again, and again, and again, and ...
When it stops is up to YOU! ...not me!
