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All Forum Posts by: Dennis Maynard

Dennis Maynard has started 12 posts and replied 289 times.

Post: Pay of debt or Buy a Cash Flow Property? Question of the Week.

Dennis MaynardPosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 300
  • Votes 146
Originally posted by @Andy Collins:
Originally posted by @Dennis Maynard:
Originally posted by @Andy Collins:

@Dennis Maynard

Personally I took the Dave Ramsey approach and paid off all debt, cars and student debt and anything else, except for our mortgages. I could never buy in to paying off our house especially when homes are so expensive in Colorado and rates being so low.

Totally get it.  I appreciate the input.  Would you pay off a zero interest car loan as well? 

I think I would.  I like the idea of being debt free and not beholden to monthly payments.  It feels more liberating.  If houses didn’t cost half a million where I live and we’re more in the 100s or 200s I would be tempted to pay it off too. I think I would have more options to pursues other interests outside of of my w2.   

 Great points Andy.  It is a personal decision and strategy blended with psychology / attitude is important.

Post: Pay of debt or Buy a Cash Flow Property? Question of the Week.

Dennis MaynardPosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 300
  • Votes 146
Originally posted by @Jason Cacioppo:

@Dennis Maynard find a way to do both, earn more money.

As I was going to mention in another post, getting to zero can be a life time away.  But by increasing cash flow, one can bridge the gap faster.  Good point.  Depends on the person and the strategy. 

Post: Pay of debt or Buy a Cash Flow Property? Question of the Week.

Dennis MaynardPosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 300
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Originally posted by @Amy Raye Rogers:

It's not about the numbers, it's about the psychology.  When you teach yourself to build and obey a budget and pay off ALL consumer debt, you're ready for real estate investing.  Don't get lost in comparing interest rates.  It's about an individual's attitude and behavior towards money.  

Ah, another point.  Psychology does come into play.  

Good points Amy.  
 

Post: Pay of debt or Buy a Cash Flow Property? Question of the Week.

Dennis MaynardPosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 300
  • Votes 146
Originally posted by @Chris Pasternak:

Dude said financial free beats debt free.  I say financial peace beats all.  Pay off all debts then buy investment property free and clear, rinse and repeat.  Eventually your cash flow from properties and job/business allow you to buy them faster and faster -- a snowball effect takes place.  Slow and steady avoiding the KO punches along the way by dabbling with debt.

All good points. And this is about creating a snowball effect.  The question is the chicken or the egg as you have aptly pointed out.  You would do pay off debts.   

Post: Pay of debt or Buy a Cash Flow Property? Question of the Week.

Dennis MaynardPosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 300
  • Votes 146
Originally posted by @Tyler McDonald:

The mathematical answer might be to use it to buy a cash flowing property, depending on rates of the various debts and what not.  But ultimately it probably comes down to behavior.  Are you going to diligently pay down that consumer debt once you have the extra cash flow?  Or are you going to go deeper in?  Personally we eliminated all consumer debt and student debt shortly after getting married and before buying a house.

It also depends how high your student debt is and at what rate.  Many companies out there are paying off student debt as a hiring incentive.  Low rate student debt doesn't impact your credit score as much either.  Back to the numbers as you mentioned.

Post: Pay of debt or Buy a Cash Flow Property? Question of the Week.

Dennis MaynardPosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 300
  • Votes 146
Originally posted by @Nick Hosmer:

Hey Dennis! unless its going to stop you getting the terms you want on an investment or getting approved at all, i would Pay yourself first, meaning get the investment. Then using the income coming in from the property to payoff your investments (using other peoples money)

 Ah, great point Nick!  Does the bad debt stop you from getting a loan or good terms on a loan.  Excellent point to consider!

Post: Pay of debt or Buy a Cash Flow Property? Question of the Week.

Dennis MaynardPosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 300
  • Votes 146
Originally posted by @Steve Vaughan:
Originally posted by @Frank Jiang:
Originally posted by @Dennis Maynard:

 So if your Cash on Cash was 20% and your interest rate was 21% = what would you do?

You pay off debt.  Paying off debt is risk free.  The return on an investment is not risk free.  Typically, credit cards should be paid off before pursuing investments.  Car, Home, and student loan debt will typically have a lower interest rate than you can make from reinvesting and so you should invest instead of paying off these debts if you have adequate reserves.

 Exactly, Frank.

Dennis, just asking this with a straight face shows you don't account for risk, hassle, taxes or transaction costs, borrowing costs, partner and seller risk, etc.  

Paying down debt isn't always the answer, but if the anticipated  gross return is close to equal, take the risk-free, hassle-free,  tax-free path every time. 

Not quite. My straight face is not about my analysis but yours... I'm asking you guys the questions, and how you would make the decision.  I have not said what I would do. 

Post: Pay of debt or Buy a Cash Flow Property? Question of the Week.

Dennis MaynardPosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 300
  • Votes 146
Originally posted by @Fang Underhill:

I like a balance when it comes to investment. I like cash flow properties but often those cash flow properties have less appreciation in pricing. 

 Yes, it is rare to get both.  That is definitely a decision point in the process of investing.

Post: Pay of debt or Buy a Cash Flow Property? Question of the Week.

Dennis MaynardPosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 300
  • Votes 146
Originally posted by @Jim K.:

I don't think there's a one-size-fits-all answer to this question, as I've stated multiple times here in the forums. Carrying and paying off debt are not simply mathematical actions. There's psychology involved. I've seen dozens of blowhards take on debt almost effortlessly, only to be crushed in the end by it. Two months ago, I had a conversation with a 5'6", 130 lb. tenant about buying one of my properties. He played the big shot moneyman right up until a week later, when I found him naked in bed with his furry privates out, high as a kite on some kind of smack, blubbering his eyes out over a 400-lb equally naked woman who had just been brought back from death's door with Narcan by paramedics from the three ambulances and five cop cars blocking up the street my duplex is on.

"HE'S JUDGING ME, OH, HE'S JUDGING ME!!!" and "FNO (Furry-N**s-Out)" is now a permanent shorthand code between my wife and I for the eventual outcome of any big talker and dreamer in real estate.

 Not sure if I should laugh or ask if the guy is okay...

Post: Pay of debt or Buy a Cash Flow Property? Question of the Week.

Dennis MaynardPosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 300
  • Votes 146
Originally posted by @Caleb Brown:

That's tough. 1 hand you could invest use use the return and appreciation to pay off debt. Other hand having high interest rate debt would stress me out especially if things go sideways. In my current situation I'd invest and pay debt down 1-2 years later

 Great points.  How would you evaluate the situation?