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All Forum Posts by: Dalton Foote

Dalton Foote has started 5 posts and replied 33 times.

Post: Multi Family Investing Cons

Dalton FootePosted
  • Contractor
  • Indiana
  • Posts 36
  • Votes 21

@Tim Delaney great points. The explanation of why you love 4 plexes makes complete sense! 

Post: What to do with this property

Dalton FootePosted
  • Contractor
  • Indiana
  • Posts 36
  • Votes 21

Hey Connor congrats on the purchase! There's nothing like getting your feet wet and just diving into it and learning along the way, as long as you don't lose an arm and a leg in the process ;) you will grow so much with this experience and learn to do more due diligence in the future. I've been there. I noticed with the price range I was wondering if you could cut some costs with not going with a "high end" renovation you mentioned. Seems like it's not going to be in the greatest area with the arv and rental prices you are throwing out. If it's a rental just get it rent ready. No need to spend a crazy amount on super nice finishes in neighborhoods like this unless you are trying to flip it/sell.  Maybe talk to your GC and see what finishes you are getting exactly and try to reduce some cost there? Or if there are portions of the scope thats not necessary per say? With a house on the lower end like that every few thousand adds up and takes away from your returns on the rental income. In my experience some contractors do not have the investor type of mindset. On renovations that are going to be rentals there's always alot of things that COULD be done and would make it look alot nicer but it's not NECESSARY if its just going to be a rental. The return on investment just doesn't make sense sometimes in the short term. Keep your costs small right now and after some time you can cash out refi and get your margins up a little monthly to give you some breathing room or put more money into it later down the road to make it "higher end" and stand out to flip for a profit. :) I'd have your pm company go out and tell you what's NEEDED for them to make it rent ready. 

Post: Completed Flip Near Eagle Creek

Dalton FootePosted
  • Contractor
  • Indiana
  • Posts 36
  • Votes 21

@Jayson Schuetz This is a flip that my guys completed. I'm a small GC in the area. We do many flips for investors and also have our own that we do sometimes. 

Post: contractor best practices

Dalton FootePosted
  • Contractor
  • Indiana
  • Posts 36
  • Votes 21

@Shafi Noss absolutely! Great points and insight here! 

Post: Anyone buying land/lots and building new construction?

Dalton FootePosted
  • Contractor
  • Indiana
  • Posts 36
  • Votes 21

Is anyone doing this currently? I am more focused on building to sell than rent with this strategy at least starting out. I own a GC company and have guys with plenty of ground up/new construction experience so I'd save labor and material costs. Just trying to feel out the market. Would love to connect with anyone with experience to see the challenges and process. If anyone has any tips to avoid issues/conflicts please share! As far as sourcing the lot, dealing with zoning or the city on new construction permits, engineering plans, etc. 

Post: New Investor - INDIANAPOLIS - Lets Connect

Dalton FootePosted
  • Contractor
  • Indiana
  • Posts 36
  • Votes 21

@Derek Worsley Welcome Derek. Let me know if you ever want to have a chat or ever need anything. I'm a local investor/GC also interested in branching into multifamily. 

Post: contractor best practices

Dalton FootePosted
  • Contractor
  • Indiana
  • Posts 36
  • Votes 21

I just read in more detail the replies... I think we can all agree this is for single family home remodels.. commercial and multifamily is a whole different industry/ballgame when it comes to funding, draws, payments, etc. You can not compare them to one another or expect the terms to be the same.. Just to be clear for new investors.. 

Post: contractor best practices

Dalton FootePosted
  • Contractor
  • Indiana
  • Posts 36
  • Votes 21

Based on my experience in the Indianapolis area there has been plenty of different payment formats I have seen. As a previous project manager for large SFH PM companies, to being a licensed GC and an investor myself currently I'm not going to say who is right or wrong because there's many ways you can go about this.


Personally what I have found to be best for our business to build rapport is to get paid in installments for the first couple of flips we do for a new client. This typically looks like 2 weeks of work before sending our first invoice with proof of work that was completed. For example if it is a 60k job and it takes 6 weeks we will usually be able to send 3 invoices for 20k each in phases upon scopes completed. (If that makes sense). Every friday an update is given along with pictures, a look ahead to next week, any issues or any feedback. Once a couple of flips have been completed together and we have built that relationship, we typically just go to a 50 upfront 50 at completion type of deal more typical with homeowner work (Not required, but its usually easier for both sides or we just continue a pay as we go basis). Most of our work are referrals as well and have never had an issue sending or receiving payments. 

I do agree with alot of points everyone has mentioned. From a PM, to a investor, to a GC company owner i see it from all sides. Just my two cents here on some comments. Not arguing because i agree with everyones point honestly. I have seen that Net 30 upon completion is typical for large pm groups that supply alot of work to subs generally for turnovers not major remodels. These jobs are 10-20k or less. Every pm group that we have done a substantially larger remodel for we have gotten 1/3 down and the rest upon completion. The Net30 has become increasingly more difficult to find due to the increase in prices from labor to materials. Some bigger groups switched to Net15 over the last 5 years even having a hard time finding subs that can float that many jobs for that long. I do agree with the point that alot of subs (especially from facebook, craigslist, etc) not being able to even pay for materials upfront or front a week or two of labor. That is a major red flag and have immediately cut all of those guys off. Typically that is the difference between licensed and just insured but not always.. It is just the industry and honestly people in general they do not know how to budget or make there money last. ( Isn't it something like 60-70% of people live paycheck to paycheck?)On the flipside you do have to think even legit successful companies also can't float every job that long. For example if payroll is 10k a week, have overhead, material bills, etc and multiple jobs waiting on payment theres potentially a six figure carry that adds up very very quickly.. To hedge that issue I think all parties can agree that verified work completed warrants payment which is why we do the installments to build that trust. At the end of the day your network is your networth. Once you find a reliable partner for these there should be no issues having that trust and expectation. 

I think theres a million ways to skin a cat as they say just know the red flags either way whether you are a contractor, investor, pm group, or homeowner. Hope this helps. Again this is just my experience in Indianapolis and im not saying one way or another is right or wrong :) Nothing to really argue about here. ;) I don't know best I just know what has been mutually beneficial for all sides and no complaints have ever been made doing it this way. Something to think about potentially. We all have to make money. Treat it as business relationship where it is mutually beneficial not just some guy you are trying to control and squeeze every bit of "what can you do for me" out of. We are all here to make money at the end of the day. Understand that and be a realist. Dont screw anyone over because of your ego in trying to have full control. :)

Post: Looking for Contractors in Indianapolis

Dalton FootePosted
  • Contractor
  • Indiana
  • Posts 36
  • Votes 21

@Guy Keren congrats! I'd recommend reaching out to real estate agents/brokers, pm groups, or local investors for contractor referalls. I can count on one hand the amount of times a facebook or craigslist guy has actually worked out. Most are just insured and have no licence, bond, or workmens comp. There is a reason why when a post is made on their you immediately get bombarded with 100 replies and messages. Someone who is that needy for work 24/7 typically does not have a good call back or referall rate. Just my two cents in that area. Coming from a GC and investor myself I've had countless moments in our early days before we were not yet staffed up where I had to deal with "Indianapolis General Contractors" group and find cheaper subs. 99% of the time they don't know what they are doing and the quality is very poor. Dealing with any issues from them is a pain as well. I constantly deal with investors who come to us needing issues fixed by someone they hired prior (facebook or craigslist guy) or that they paid and ran off/did shotty work and said they were done.