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All Forum Posts by: Chris Clark

Chris Clark has started 3 posts and replied 64 times.

Post: THE Thread on the Final GOP Tax Bill - Q&A

Chris Clark
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  • Wichita, KS
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Originally posted by @Mike Barry:

late to the convo this might be a dumb question or already addressed but is there now a cap on property taxes up to $10,000?

Is this on a single property or combined total of property taxes paid if own multiple properties?

Thank you!

If they are rentals it doesn't apply. From my understanding of the law to this point if you have multiple personal residences it would be in total.

Post: THE Thread on the Final GOP Tax Bill - Q&A

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Originally posted by @Rick Pinney:

Brandon Hall will previous rentals be grandfathered in to deduct mortgage interest? If it is will it be lost if you refinance, say from FHA to conventional?

 Mortgage interest deduction only changes for personal residence. Rentals are not subject to the new limitation.

Post: New to Wichita and Investing

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Welcome to Bigger Pockets.

Post: W-9s & 1099s: How do I pay contractors "under the table"?

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Originally posted by @Dawn Anastasi:

Someone mentioned in a prior post that a benefit to the contractor is that they don't have to pay taxes on cash payments. This is incorrect. Any cash income is still considered taxable by the IRS.  Even illegal income is considered taxable by the IRS. If you don't pay taxes on illegal income, you can be convicted for tax evasion. Has anyone ever heard of Al Capone?

Correct about Capone. Also applies to certain herbs that are legal in Colorado currently. For federal tax purposes you have to pay tax on all income but then you are allowed no expenses from my understanding of how it is being treated for the federal return. I believe they have to be all cash businesses as well because of banking regulations with businesses that aren't legal at the federal level.

Post: W-9s & 1099s: How do I pay contractors "under the table"?

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  • Wichita, KS
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Originally posted by @Chinmay J.:
Originally posted by @Chris Clark:
Originally posted by @Chinmay J.:
Originally posted by @Frank Palomino:
Originally posted by @Chinmay J.:

I am confused a little bit with this.  Why can't I just send a check to a plumber or electrician, and use that as a receipt along with invoice that he provides. I always get invoices and always send out checks or use my Credit Card.  I never pay in cash. People are not only hesitant to give out their TAX ID # they also get nasty when asked.  

Also, as a side note, I own the rentals under my name and not any LLC. I also send out checks from my personal accounts that I use for the rentals. So there is no mingling of personal expenses vs real estate expenses.

 The purpose of a 1099 is not to verify your expense. Rather, it is a compliance tool that helps the IRS in determining an individuals taxable income. In the event of an audit, if it is determined you should have issued a 1099 and you did not make any attempt, you'll be slapped with some hefty penalties. I'd suggest taking the time to get them done. 

I talked to my CPA last winter about the same exact thing. He said if it's a rental property under my personal name, not LLC then I don't need to send out 1099.. Is he correct or I need a new CPA? Its just a PITA to have to a) find people who will not get pissed at us asking for this and B) having to send it out.

The same questions is asked on Sch E as you would be asked on a partnership or S-Corp. Did you make any payments in 2016 that would require you to file Form(s) 1099? The following question is "If "Yes" did you or will you file all required Forms 1099. 

So even if you own the property in your own name if you are required by the General Information return instructions because you paid someone over $ 600 you should be filing a 1099. 

 Are there any exception to this? Say I buy $2000 worth of material from Home Depot. I am not sending them a 1099, or am I? 

Generally speaking here is the requirement: Payments for services performed for a trade or business by people not treated as its employees.

There are lots of exceptions to when you file one and when you don't but purchasing services from a corporation also generally doesn't require a 1099. Materials are not something you should need a 1099 for.

Post: W-9s & 1099s: How do I pay contractors "under the table"?

Chris Clark
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Originally posted by @Chinmay J.:
Originally posted by @Frank Palomino:
Originally posted by @Chinmay J.:

I am confused a little bit with this.  Why can't I just send a check to a plumber or electrician, and use that as a receipt along with invoice that he provides. I always get invoices and always send out checks or use my Credit Card.  I never pay in cash. People are not only hesitant to give out their TAX ID # they also get nasty when asked.  

Also, as a side note, I own the rentals under my name and not any LLC. I also send out checks from my personal accounts that I use for the rentals. So there is no mingling of personal expenses vs real estate expenses.

 The purpose of a 1099 is not to verify your expense. Rather, it is a compliance tool that helps the IRS in determining an individuals taxable income. In the event of an audit, if it is determined you should have issued a 1099 and you did not make any attempt, you'll be slapped with some hefty penalties. I'd suggest taking the time to get them done. 

I talked to my CPA last winter about the same exact thing. He said if it's a rental property under my personal name, not LLC then I don't need to send out 1099.. Is he correct or I need a new CPA? Its just a PITA to have to a) find people who will not get pissed at us asking for this and B) having to send it out.

The same questions is asked on Sch E as you would be asked on a partnership or S-Corp. Did you make any payments in 2016 that would require you to file Form(s) 1099? The following question is "If "Yes" did you or will you file all required Forms 1099. 

So even if you own the property in your own name if you are required by the General Information return instructions because you paid someone over $ 600 you should be filing a 1099. 

Post: W-9s & 1099s: How do I pay contractors "under the table"?

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Originally posted by @Mike H.:

Same thing happened to me a few years ago. CPA told me the same thing. Cover yourself and show that you made an attempt to get it. If they refuse to provide the information, then you can longer use them going forward. If you fail to 1099 them and then continue using them, then you can get in trouble.

One way to avoid having to 1099 them is to have them create a corporation. My understanding (and this again is my understanding in that I am NOT a cpa and advise you to seek one out to ask) is that if you write checks to a company, then you are not required to 1099 them.

I also think this same rule applies if they form an LLC. But I think there are some additional rules for LLCs and 1099's. Maybe something like it has to be a single member LLC instead of a partnership LLC?

But that would be one way for you to avoid the IRS dinging you for failing to 1099 someone. And then it would be up to the contractors to decide if they want to risk it or not.

Ultimately, I don't see why its my job to have to 1099 these guys as individuals either. If I was paying them cash, that would be one thing. But if I'm paying by a check, I should not have to 1099 them and it should be the IRS' job to catch them - not mine.

But since thats not how they roll, I really only care about covering myself. So I just go by the rules. And then tell any contractor that refuses to provide the information that they need to create a corp or llc or I can't use them.

I get the frustration from having to 1099 people but how would the IRS get the information from your return unless you are listing out every payment you make to everyone? Paying by check just shows that you paid someone specific but that doesn't translate to what's reported on your tax return.

Post: 128 Unit Multifamily Value Add Opportunity in Wichita, KS

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Would like additional details as well. [email protected]

Post: How do I "buy" my parents' business?

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Originally posted by @Lane Kawaoka:

Kyle Cortez put it in a trust and inherit it when they past.

One of the biggest downsides to putting it in a trust is that trusts pay the highest individual rate around $12,000 of taxable income.

Post: Impact of new tax bill (Forbes article)

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Originally posted by @Vlad K.:

@Caleb Heimsoth The limitations would apply to personal only. For real estate investors there would be no limitations.

@Steve Vaughan There are areas of the country where middle and upper-middle class will be affected negatively, where new standard deduction is not going to cut it. In addition, the double standard deduction is a scam, especially for families with children. If you pay close attention to your tax return, you get two deductions (currently) - 1) standard or itemized and 2) personal exemptions. 

Just to put it in perspective, say for a family of four:

 - 2017 standard deduction $12,700 

 - 2017 personal exemption is $4,050 x 4 =  $16,200

So, right now, at a minimum, a family of four gets a deduction of $28,900, which will be replaced by $24,000, as personal exemptions are eliminated.

Moreover, most families who own a house and living in states with income taxes do itemize. Taking a modest house purchased at $300k, mortgage interest is about $10k-$11k / year (relatively new purchases). Add real estate taxes and state income taxes, and for many families itemized deductions are north of $20k.

Without going into many more details:

 - winners: single, and families who do not own a house

 - losers: families who own a house

There are exceptions in the categories above, so this is just a broad generalization.

While some people living in states with state taxes may itemize I wouldn't say most. It definitely depends on the state tax rate. Also what I haven't seen yet is clarification on the child tax credit which is meant to offset the loss of the exemptions for those in lower brackets. There will always be losers in any legislation change. Higher taxed states will definitely lose out but that isn't the majority of the U.S either.