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All Forum Posts by: Calvin Thomas

Calvin Thomas has started 36 posts and replied 700 times.

Post: Is there any benefit to starting my own property management company?

Calvin ThomasPosted
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Quote from @Tony Thomas:

We own and self manage three rental properties. Two of them are in Kentucky and one in Florida. We would only plan to manage our own properties.

Would there be any tax advantages, or any other benefits, to starting our own property management company?


No need to start your own management company if it's your own properties.  If you want to shield yourselves as the owners of the properties, then I guess it's possible, but not sure why you want that extra accounting headache.  

Post: Hello, I'm new to Bigger Pockets

Calvin ThomasPosted
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Quote from @Khalaf Spencer:

Hello,  I'm just introducing myself ton the Bigger Pockets community. I look forward to learning everything there is to gaining financial freedom and becoming an investor. 


Welcome. Stay for the forums, avoid the Bigger Pockets upsells and you will be golden.

Post: BiggerPockets Moderators Are Now Censoring the Forums For Only Nice Feedback

Calvin ThomasPosted
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Quote from @Jonathan Greene:

I've been on this site for ten years, providing honest feedback to people, and today, for the first time that I am aware of, some moderator removed my posts in a forum where the OP was calling me names in every one of her responses. I said nothing rude, no name-calling, no slights, just feedback on a relatively nothing post about wholesaling.

When our posts are censored because people have hurt feelings, and their posts are left there with blatant insults, something is wrong under the hood. This is participation trophy culture and reverse trolling at its finest.

I guess from now on, you can only give back pats, hold people's hands on their journey, and encourage them, and not tell them the truth about their questions, investment ideas, or future plans. On the flip side, they can insult you repeatedly, and moderators will leave that there.

Super.


You need to have a stiffer upper lip my friend.

Post: What's it like having a business partner?

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Quote from @Jonathan Feliciano:

Hello BP Community,

I'm thinking of taking on a business partner to do out of state investing. The idea would be to have some boots on the ground in the area I'm interested in investing.

For those of you who have formed partnerships...

1. What was that experience like? Did it make real estate investing more easy or hard?

2. How did you meet your business partner?

3. How did you vet your business partner?

4. Any general tips or advice on forming partnerships with out of state investors?


The worst.  I fired him and bought out his stake many decades ago.  Always have an option to buy out the other partners and make sure you have the controlling share.  There can only be one chief.  All agreements should be made by competent independent council (if possible these days, not sure).  

The only partner you should have is the bank.  Don't go into business with friends or family; it's a recipe for disaster. 

Post: 6 unit CT multifamily rent roll sheet help

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This sounds like a nightmare scenario.  This will never work with you in a unit and at 11%.  Do yourself a favor and run.

Post: Responding to tenants

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Try your best not to provide support via phone.  If it's not in writing, then it never happened.  We use text, email and our tenant portal to communicate with the tenants.  We switched to this about 4 years ago.  No more guessing who said what and why.  When you want to end the conversation, you say, this issue has been closed. Have a good day/night.

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Quote from @Nevin Wilkie:

I just completed my first rehab on a distressed property I have bought. I just completed a cash out refinance on the property but now the bank tells me that I am not able to put the property into an LLC. Are there any work arounds to this? I don't really want to rent this property without having an LLC just in case anything does happen. What should I do?


You don't want a DSCR loan. They will f@ck you on the fees and higher rate. If you are in UNY, you can see if you can get a commercial loan through M & T Bank. They offer LLC financing with you as the PG.

In theory, you can file the paperwork with an attorney) with the county and move it into your LLC. However, you are technically at fault with your loan agreement. It (the loan) can technically be called should they find out. Insurance can be an issue as you would technically have to get it in the LLC's name and then you can have a personal umbrella to cover any overages. So, in theory, you would be covering all bases.

I'm not suggesting anything, but hypothetically, a person can do this.

Hey Calvin - I get what you're saying, but DSCR loans can actually be a great option depending on the situation. Yes, they can have higher rates and fees, but they come with some major advantages too—like not needing personal income verification or DTI requirements, which can be a game-changer if you're looking to scale quickly. It's also easier to keep the property in your LLC from the start, which avoids the hassle of transferring ownership and potential issues with the loan being called due to the change.

Commercial loans can work, but they often have shorter terms, balloon payments, or stricter underwriting. DSCR loans offer more flexibility with long-term fixed rates and less red tape. So, while it might not work for everyone, for many investors, especially those looking to scale, DSCR loans are worth considering.


Commercial loans and conventional loans will always be cheaper than a DSCR.  I've been doing this since the 70s and I've had every loan you can imagine.  I did a DSCR loan once and was amazed of the BS fees which were charged.  I owned the property outright in Connecticut, so I actually pulled out at closing once I saw the fees, I just couldn't continue.  

I would advise anyone to use them as a last resort.  Subsequently, I went to Peoples United Bank and got a 4.5% commercial loan with a 25 year amortization, 10 year balloon with a one time renewal option.  Unless it's an amazing deal, the numbers will not work (for me) with a DSCR.  Even more so in today's market.  Anything over 2 mil I'd go with a Freddie Mac Small Balance Loan.  If I was going to buy something for my company to operate out of (70% of the property), I would then go for a 7A SBA loan.
Quote from @Nevin Wilkie:

I just completed my first rehab on a distressed property I have bought. I just completed a cash out refinance on the property but now the bank tells me that I am not able to put the property into an LLC. Are there any work arounds to this? I don't really want to rent this property without having an LLC just in case anything does happen. What should I do?


You don't want a DSCR loan. They will f@ck you on the fees and higher rate. If you are in UNY, you can see if you can get a commercial loan through M & T Bank. They offer LLC financing with you as the PG.

In theory, you can file the paperwork with an attorney) with the county and move it into your LLC. However, you are technically at fault with your loan agreement. It (the loan) can technically be called should they find out. Insurance can be an issue as you would technically have to get it in the LLC's name and then you can have a personal umbrella to cover any overages. So, in theory, you would be covering all bases.

I'm not suggesting anything, but hypothetically, a person can do this.

Quote from @Steve K.:

This is more common for commercial (5+ units, often lenders in this category want the owner/operator to have experience self managing or hire professional management), and not very common 4 units and under, IME.  


This.  A building owner across one of my buildings has owned a building since the 80s.  Since he's a one person shop (along with a super), he refinanced his 3 million dollar property and the bank required him to hire a property management company.  While we do not generally manage properties outside of our own properties, I did him a favor and added his property under our umbrella.  Since we are already registered with Fannie and Freddie as a property management company, he was able to get his mortgage.  I was happy to help; for a small fee. 

Post: What do you consider a "good" cash flow for a property in 2024?

Calvin ThomasPosted
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No, this is not worth your time for a hundred dollars a month.