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All Forum Posts by: Brad Smith

Brad Smith has started 4 posts and replied 22 times.

Post: HELOC on investment property

Brad SmithPosted
  • Posts 22
  • Votes 8
Quote from @Zach Bosson:
Quote from @Lily Jensen:

Hi I live in West Palm Beach and I own an investment property (condo) in Miami. I own it cash and it cash flows me about $1900 a month after the hoa. I am  realtor and my husband is a contractor- we want to get a heloc on the condo so we can begin out first flip together and be able to use the funds when we need and then put it right back after closing. I am finding that most credit unions will only do helocs on primary residence. Does anyone know a credit union that will do a heloc on an investment property in FL? Or any other creative way to get funds?

Hi Lily,

I founded First Access Lending to provide Access in scenarios just like this!

We offer HELOCs and second liens on investment properties, financing up to 80% of the property’s value. Additionally, we can run an automated instant valuation to save you both time and money on appraisals.

Please let me know if you’re interested in getting a quote!

 @Zach Bosson - Do you also provide no-doc first lien HELOCs to refi current DSCR mortgage?

Those are some excellent suggestions, thank you both @Erik Estrada and @Josh Bowser

I will definitely look into P&L / Bank statement loan as I need to do more research on this given I'm ignorant of this topic. 

This actually prompted me to think of other avenues as well - What if I do a first-lien HELOC instead of DSCR? Are there any no-doc HELOC lenders that won't require personal income qualification? If I can find one, that might be the solution to my problem (I think, lol)

But appreciate everyone trying to brainstorm with me and and guiding me in the right direction. 

Quote from @Josh Bowser:

Brad - read through most of this thread so far.

Most everyone mentioned to avoid this due to mortgage fraud which is correct. 

Additionally, you won't be able to obtain a homestead exemption, LLC ownership, and DSCR loan as these do not go together.

You may want to have your friend look at an owner occupied loan for this (you would want to clear everything through a mortgage broker / loan officer to make sure you're compliant). You and the other members wanting to invest may be able to loan in second position after closing with a dodd frank compliant seal of approval. This is still gray to me so you'd want clear this with an experienced mortgage broker and do not hold back any info.

Cleanest way to do this is probably a higher LTV owner occupied loan and a lease or managment agreement to sublet the property while the owner is occupying the property when they travel. Again - i'd run that past a mortgage broker as well to ensure you're compliant.

Yes, thanks... Looks like:

- if one of the part-owners pays rent to the LLC, he will not be considered as the "owner" and therefore, cannot apply for homestead exemption which is a pre-requisite for getting an STR permit.

- And on the other hand, if he doesn't pay rent considering he is a part-owner and applies for Homestead, it will make us ineligible for DSCR loans because DSCR loans don't allow any direct or indirect members to occupy the property.

Would you know if there are any "owner-occupied loans" that don't require a "personal income" eligibility requirement because this member doesn't have high enough income to qualify and may have just one year of income tax returns?

Looks like I'll have to drop my plans on this one unless I find a solution to this problem. :(

Quote from @Bill B.:

If this member is paying rent, they can’t homestead it. If they are paying you rent you can’t homestead it. Homesteads are for owner occupants. (Hence the “owner” can’t be paying rent or collecting rent without living there.) That member could get an owner occupant mortgage (much cheaper, lower downpayment, lower interest, etc etc.) as long as it’s their home and they are not paying someone else rent. 

MAYBE the member who is going to live there and nowhere else could homestead it and charge the LLC rent for the time when they aren't home. You have to be careful how close you come to defrauding the county tax people. They give a discount to owner occupants and you're trying to claim that discount without being an owner occupant. Only that member that planned to Levi there could. But then they have to be the owner, not rent from the LlC.


 I see, got it. Thanks for the explanation

Quote from @Robin Simon:
Quote from @Brad Smith:

Hi - Are there any DSCR lenders who would not require a mandatory signature on non-owner occupancy agreement? The reason I'm asking is in one of the neighborhoods of my property, to get an STR permit from the county, I need an Homestead exemption. For that purpose, I need to provide my driving license at that location to claim it as my primary residence.

So, essentially I am looking for a flexible DSCR lender for a property that I intend to do Airbnb but also claim the Homestead exemption. New to real estate, so not sure if it is a possibility?


 You might find one that will allow it, but what you are describing is mortgage fraud so I would definitely think a little twice here


Ohh no - there is no intent of misrepresentation or fraud and that’s why the question to see if there is a 'legal way'. Let me rephrase if that helps explain my thought process.

I am planning to buy a property under an LLC with 4-5 members. One of these members who is moving to Atlanta will make it their primary residence (legit). However, he is always traveling around the country for work and we want to do Airbnb during that time. The rest of the time this member will be paying the LLC a rent. Since we need STR permit to do Airbnb during that time and we are wanting to take DSCR loan instead of the traditional loan, that's why I was wondering if there are any DSCR lenders that would allow it. Or any other kind of loan (with no to low documentation requirement) that I might be unaware of.

Not sure if this clarifies or will you still call it a potential mortgage fraud - if that’s the case, then of course, I’ll need to find another property or an alternative strategy. :(

Hi - Are there any DSCR lenders who would not require a mandatory signature on non-owner occupancy agreement? The reason I'm asking is in one of the neighborhoods of my property, to get an STR permit from the county, I need an Homestead exemption. For that purpose, I need to provide my driving license at that location to claim it as my primary residence.

So, essentially I am looking for a flexible DSCR lender for a property that I intend to do Airbnb but also claim the Homestead exemption. New to real estate, so not sure if it is a possibility?

Quote from @Conner Olsen:
Quote from @Allen Duan:
Quote from @Conner Olsen:
Quote from @Aditya Kohli:

Hey all, 

Starting to pivot from STR to MTR strategy for my 3Bed 2 bath house (close proximity to 1-2 big hospitals ). I have been on furnished finder and started to talk to travel nurses but mostly find 1 or 2 nurses traveling at a time and my pricing is slightly beyond their budget. Any tips on how can i find a bigger group to rent to on monthly basis ?


 Airbnb, VRBO, FB Groups, Hello Landing, Insurance

What’s your experience been like with Landing? They reached out to me and they have an unique structure. What are the pros and cons compared to other platforms?

I'm onboarding one property on them now to test. I'll keep you updated on what I find out!

 @Conner Olsen - How has your experience been so far with Hello Landing? I'm looking to list my property with them but read some horror reviews online from guests (but not hosts). 

Have you been getting bookings? What's the average length of stay each guests book for? Are you able to get like 2x the LTR rent? or is is more like 1.5x? 

Post: Places To Find Tenants For Mid-Term Rentals

Brad SmithPosted
  • Posts 22
  • Votes 8

@Allen Duan - For corporations, who do you typically reach out to? The HR head? Or is there a separate relocation/leasing departments in these companies? 

Also, can you suggest a few relocation companies that you might know of? Thanks in advance.

Quote from @January Johnson:
Quote from @Andres Munoz:

Hello,

I was just wondering if anybody here has had any experience with a corporate tenant and whether these tend to be great or not so great deals? I've been seeing a few properties in my buy box being sold with master lease to corporate tenants and the numbers seem to be too good to be true!


I'm not sure what you classify as "corporate". I have had travel nurses, medical students, and military members stay for multiple months in some of my STRs. I currently have a plastic surgeon who originally rented for 3 months and has been with me for almost a year now, paying my high season STR monthly rate.

 Hi @January Johnson - What platform did you use to find this tenant (plastic surgeon)? 

@Bryce Jamison Any suggestions on how I can find companies such as Coca-Cola, Delta Airlines, etc to rent my property for their senior executives as mid-term rentals? I'm not sure how to go about this?

Quote from @Jeremy Jareckyj:

I am not involved in this particular market but I have a good friend who owns her personal home near the heart of the movie making district in Atlanta and she says there is huge demand!


 May I ask which district (or zipcode) is your friend's house in? Trying to understand the specific neighborhood where there might be demand. Thanks in advance!