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All Forum Posts by: Michael Kugler

Michael Kugler has started 9 posts and replied 130 times.

Gatlinburg is a GREAT area. One of my best friends owns a nightly over there (cabin) and it does well. 

Honestly, what I would do is pull up a site like VRBO and look at similar properties in the area. Then go down the page and look at their availability calendar which will give you a feel for how other similar properties are renting.

For example - you are buying a 3 bedroom condo in Gatlinburg that will sleep 10 people.

Go to VRBO, search for condos, 10 people and hit go. (don't worry about price)

From there you will get results which will let you peruse the owners occupancy. If everything is booked to the 9s - you have a winner. If there is a ton of vacancy - in the words of Walter White - run! ;)

Post: Airbnb VS traditional rental?

Michael KuglerPosted
  • Branson, MO
  • Posts 145
  • Votes 96

We have been doing this for 14 years and the returns always beat the mortgage - 100%. I am not sure of your area (used to live in Coronado) but the "seasons" as they are can be a definite factor in your occupancy. I would imagine SoCal would be very busy at any time of the year.

Best option for you in my opinion would be to try it out for a year and see where it leads you. If it is turning a decent profit - continue. If not, you can always bring it back on the market as a monthly rental.

Best of luck.

Oh wow Bernee, I couldn't disagree with your Property Manager more. IMO, you are absolutely correct and someone that has vision for retaining future guests.

While I don't necessarily agree that Target is "cheap", I would definitely qualify them ahead of WalMart - KMart. I once told someone for a condo we manage to do the "thumb test" for silverware. If they could pick up a fork and press on one of the tines with their thumb and get it to bend - it was not suitable for nightly rentals.

This is the latest condo we renovated. The living room features a 60" HDTV with HD Premium from Suddenlink. Instead of sticking a conventional shower we broke out the inventive and went with a 2 person shower. The condo rents ferociously throughout the year.

Head over to Macys or Dillards or even JC Penneys and try the same test with their 8/10 stainless steel sets. For roughly $40-50 bucks you can give your customers a better experience for slightly more. 

Advertising you have HDTVs is not the same as having "H-D-T-Vs" ;) Running out on Black Friday and splurging on 26" LCDs tells me not that you care - but that you are tightwad who is only driven by profit only. The owner who at least makes and effort to go with 48" or larger and makes it 1080p will definitely get my attention. Cost difference? 2-300 bucks and it is an investment in something that lasts years and years.

I have been around Bigger Pockets now for about a year and have been involved in the nightly rental business for 14 years. Here on Bigger Pockets I read posts from many people who are concerned about getting into the nightly rental game and would like to offer some help if I may to them.

A little background - first. I started out as an electronic engineer and then switched gears to get a degree in computer science. That led to our first software company VeeCal which then brought in sales leading us to a career switch and now to our current location in Branson Missouri.

We started out with a resort and then grew into condominiums. Our business has never been better and we continue to smash through one record after another. There are many avenues to arrive at the same destination, but ours required the least outlay in funds and I would like to offer some of the things we did to possibly help others here.

To begin with, customers are simple. If you can keep this in the forefront of your mind at all times, it will make your investment SO much easier. Treating them as you would like to be treated is not common sense - it is expected. 

ALWAYS present your property accurately. I honestly think this is the absolute #1 mistake of other owners I have seen. Stay away from superlatives and overly glossy embellishment. Want to ruin someone's stay? Describe how your balcony overlooks the peaceful lake in the backyard of the horizon with gorgeous rays reflecting in the sunset. Only to reveal to your clients later on that that "lake" is actually your neighbors lagoon. ;) Skip the professional photographers and do it yourself. "Real" pictures convey your property a 1,000 times better than a heavily retouched photo ever will. 

Hire the best and most reliable cleaning crew you can afford and hold them to it. We once stayed in a fantastic location at Anna Marie island only to have the whole experience destroyed by the discovery that there were dried and very dead cockroaches along the kickboard in front of the sink. Yes, they were dead and we didn't find anything live (thankfully) but sliding out the refrigerator only revealed 20 more dead ones and that did it for us - we were out of there. Beach front, $250 a night, and loss of revenue from incredibly sloppy housekeeping. 

When you are looking at buying a rental property, really investigate the tourism trends. Here in Branson (as is common with anyplace else in America) there will be "desirable" locations, "okay" locations, and "only if there is nothing else" locations. You could go 10 miles outside of our location to areas like Reeds Spring, Rockaway Beach, and even Lampe and be astonished at the immediate drop in interest just due to the slightly further distance. Even for my own business, we sometimes are hurt by the fact that we are 6 miles from Branson, but, on the flip side we are only 200 yards from the marina and 2 miles from Silver Dollar City - so it is a great tradeoff. We lose the theater business but pick up the lake crowd and the amusement park crowd.

Advertising - this is a sticky one as many people are disciples of heavy advertising. I can honestly state that >75% of all our business is either repeat or referral. Advertising almost becomes unnecessary. If you do decide to advertise, the costs are unbelievably high but can be worth it if you are just getting started. Otherwise, you can probably wean yourself away from them if you have bought a property with established clientele who love your place. 

Amenities - As much as possible, try to overwhelm your guests with them. Don't make them lug along the standard norms from home when it is something you could provide easily. Here's an example (real life) for you. My wife and I (over the years) had accumulated probably 500 DVDs of our own. Some new, some from pawn shops, some from eBay. The thing is, they were just occupying space for us. A couple of racks later we had them displayed in our office for our guests to use and they have been a huge hit for several years now. (Cannot believe how many people love to watch Smokey and the Bandit again) Rainy days guarantee that we will give out 20% of our inventory. The difference between a cheap towel and an expensive one is 7-10 dollars. Splurge for the better towel and your guests will remember it. Blenders are always cheap and very appreciated. Same for crock pots, glass bowls, plenty of plates and hangers in the closets. Simple things will go a long way.

I will be happy to discuss other things on this thread in the hopes to help you gain some help along the way in your rental investment.

Happy Thanksgiving, Mike

 

Post: Vacation Rentals

Michael KuglerPosted
  • Branson, MO
  • Posts 145
  • Votes 96
Originally posted by @Juan Duque:

Beware of regulation, make sure you list your properties in all the main sites and when you analysize deals take into account all of the expenses including property taxes all the way down to toilet paper and shampoo. The most important as well is find a reliable cleaning crew that can do same day turnovers so you can have low vacancy.

 Best answer here. Especially the last sentence.

Post: Vacation Rentals

Michael KuglerPosted
  • Branson, MO
  • Posts 145
  • Votes 96

We have been doing exactly this for 14 years and have had incredible success with it. If you are in the right market (heavy tourism in a desirable location) you can almost guarantee reservations at will. Because of our success, we have had dozens (hundreds?) of interested owners in our area ask us to run their nightly rental as well. Unless it was very close to us we generally would pass. 

The one absolute truth I can promise you is this. ALL customers want big, cheap, clean. If you can meet those standards you will have many years of happy renters.

Originally posted by @Karen Sanders:

@Michael Kugler

How about a $1 verification fee?

 :D

We had thought of that. (Great minds thinkk alike?)  ;)

Hate that it is so "petty" but... it is an option. 

Originally posted by @Katie Rogers:

I manage a vacation home on behalf of the owner.  We list only on VRBO.  We have never been asked to verify ownership of the home.  However, I have found the home listed on lots of other websites besides VRBO.  When I come across these listings, I contact the site and demand they delete the listing.  They have always complied.  On the plus side, we have never been surprised by a double-booking, our true one and a fake one.  The only guests who have ever arrived at the house are guests we expect.

 You sorta do verify when you pay for your subscription with a credit card. That is the validation process. With our first 10,000 free it is going to make things significantly more complex - hence my question. 

IRT your 2nd part with other sites scraping your info, I honestly don't understand the reason a website would do that, other than to present themselves as bigger than they naturally are. i.e. "Look at all the listings we have!" yada yada yada.

Ours will be an organic site and grow naturally. If it doesn't.... oh well - nothing ventured - nothing gained. I have the expertise and that is all I am losing is some time and a bit of cash. On the other hand, we will give people another choice in the market place. Sometimes it is impossible to conquer a goliath (Facebook, eBay, etc) and you just have to accept the way things are. In this venture we don't believe this to be the case and will move forward with our offering.  At the minimum, it will be a significantly more affordable option to the owners.

Have a good one, Mike

Originally posted by @Lance Robinson:

 On a separate note - When is the website launching?

 :D Yeah, I have to be careful here as Bigger Pockets is very clear about me telling the world who and what we are. At this moment, it is actually live but am still working through the finer details before we "launch" it. 

We come right out and state it clearly. The first 10,000 list for free. 10,001 - 50,000 will have annual subscription rates of $50 and 50,001 on up will be $100. 

Crystal, thanks for the reply.

We are trying be careful as to not become too obtrusive to legitimate clients as well. The moment we ask for SSN or financials, I think they will just skip it and move on. 

It is a tough balancing act. Protecting consumers while at the same time making it fun for property owners.