Observations from someone successful in the nightly rental game

Observations from someone successful in the nightly rental game

Branson, MO · Member since 2015 · 145 posts · 96 votes

I have been around Bigger Pockets now for about a year and have been involved in the nightly rental business for 14 years. Here on Bigger Pockets I read posts from many people who are concerned about getting into the nightly rental game and would like to offer some help if I may to them.

A little background - first. I started out as an electronic engineer and then switched gears to get a degree in computer science. That led to our first software company VeeCal which then brought in sales leading us to a career switch and now to our current location in Branson Missouri.

We started out with a resort and then grew into condominiums. Our business has never been better and we continue to smash through one record after another. There are many avenues to arrive at the same destination, but ours required the least outlay in funds and I would like to offer some of the things we did to possibly help others here.

To begin with, customers are simple. If you can keep this in the forefront of your mind at all times, it will make your investment SO much easier. Treating them as you would like to be treated is not common sense - it is expected. 

ALWAYS present your property accurately. I honestly think this is the absolute #1 mistake of other owners I have seen. Stay away from superlatives and overly glossy embellishment. Want to ruin someone's stay? Describe how your balcony overlooks the peaceful lake in the backyard of the horizon with gorgeous rays reflecting in the sunset. Only to reveal to your clients later on that that "lake" is actually your neighbors lagoon. ;) Skip the professional photographers and do it yourself. "Real" pictures convey your property a 1,000 times better than a heavily retouched photo ever will. 

Hire the best and most reliable cleaning crew you can afford and hold them to it. We once stayed in a fantastic location at Anna Marie island only to have the whole experience destroyed by the discovery that there were dried and very dead cockroaches along the kickboard in front of the sink. Yes, they were dead and we didn't find anything live (thankfully) but sliding out the refrigerator only revealed 20 more dead ones and that did it for us - we were out of there. Beach front, $250 a night, and loss of revenue from incredibly sloppy housekeeping. 

When you are looking at buying a rental property, really investigate the tourism trends. Here in Branson (as is common with anyplace else in America) there will be "desirable" locations, "okay" locations, and "only if there is nothing else" locations. You could go 10 miles outside of our location to areas like Reeds Spring, Rockaway Beach, and even Lampe and be astonished at the immediate drop in interest just due to the slightly further distance. Even for my own business, we sometimes are hurt by the fact that we are 6 miles from Branson, but, on the flip side we are only 200 yards from the marina and 2 miles from Silver Dollar City - so it is a great tradeoff. We lose the theater business but pick up the lake crowd and the amusement park crowd.

Advertising - this is a sticky one as many people are disciples of heavy advertising. I can honestly state that >75% of all our business is either repeat or referral. Advertising almost becomes unnecessary. If you do decide to advertise, the costs are unbelievably high but can be worth it if you are just getting started. Otherwise, you can probably wean yourself away from them if you have bought a property with established clientele who love your place. 

Amenities - As much as possible, try to overwhelm your guests with them. Don't make them lug along the standard norms from home when it is something you could provide easily. Here's an example (real life) for you. My wife and I (over the years) had accumulated probably 500 DVDs of our own. Some new, some from pawn shops, some from eBay. The thing is, they were just occupying space for us. A couple of racks later we had them displayed in our office for our guests to use and they have been a huge hit for several years now. (Cannot believe how many people love to watch Smokey and the Bandit again) Rainy days guarantee that we will give out 20% of our inventory. The difference between a cheap towel and an expensive one is 7-10 dollars. Splurge for the better towel and your guests will remember it. Blenders are always cheap and very appreciated. Same for crock pots, glass bowls, plenty of plates and hangers in the closets. Simple things will go a long way.

I will be happy to discuss other things on this thread in the hopes to help you gain some help along the way in your rental investment.

Happy Thanksgiving, Mike

 

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Investor · The worst town to live in, KS · Member since 2016 · 4k+ posts · 4k+ votes
9y

There is a Redbox kiosk directly across the street from 9 of my furnished apartments.  I put a streaming Blu-Ray player in every apartment.  That way, they can rent movies from across the street or if they have Netflix, Hulu or Amazon prime they can log into the Blu-Ray under their own account and stream whatever they want.  Each apartment has it's own modem and router, 15 mbps.

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  • Investor · Black Diamond, WA · Member since 2016 · 123 posts · 127 votes
    9y

    Thanks Mike,

    Those are some really good tips!  

    My business partner and I operate an 6 bedroom Craftsman house as a vacation rental here in the "hot" part of Seattle, it is has been going very well!  I can attest to the importance of paying a bit more for a very good cleaner (surprisingly hard to find, and harder to keep), as well as spending the few extra dollars on higher quality amenities.  My partner and I also own a furniture design company and a retail design shop, so our entire VR is outfitted with high-end designer soaps, shampoos, dishes, furniture, etc.  It does add up ($) when you are first furnishing the space, but it really pays off over time because word-of-mouth referrals and return-guests are paramount.  

    We are searching for more properties to purchase, specifically cabins in the mountains (about an hour from Seattle) and renovate them to our standard for vacation rentals.  Finding the right property in the right location is key, and renovating and furnishing them to a high standard really helps to keep it booked and keep the nightly rate as high as possible. 

    I'd love to hear any other tips you have for either buying the right vacation rental property (especially destination/ski cabins) or creative ideas on how to booth occupancy in the off seasons. 

    Thanks!

    Andy

  • Saint James City, FL · Member since 2016 · 29 posts · 5 votes
    9y

    Great info, thanks for sharing. The property I purchased is a mid range rental in a mostly snowbird community. We are probably the nicest home on the street, now that it has been all remodeled ... but still isn't going to fetch the big bucks the the million dollar properties will. 

    I have been having a disagreement with my property manager on what to stock the house with, I want to go higher end goodies, he say to go to Target and buy cheap. I feel  a bit over the top on fun stuff is something they will remember. 

    And thanks for the reminder to talk to, and treat our guests like our friends and how we want to be treated!!! 

    Bernee Brawn

    FishTales, St James City, Fl.

  • Branson, MO · Member since 2015 · 145 posts · 96 votes
    9y

    Oh wow Bernee, I couldn't disagree with your Property Manager more. IMO, you are absolutely correct and someone that has vision for retaining future guests.

    While I don't necessarily agree that Target is "cheap", I would definitely qualify them ahead of WalMart - KMart. I once told someone for a condo we manage to do the "thumb test" for silverware. If they could pick up a fork and press on one of the tines with their thumb and get it to bend - it was not suitable for nightly rentals.

    This is the latest condo we renovated. The living room features a 60" HDTV with HD Premium from Suddenlink. Instead of sticking a conventional shower we broke out the inventive and went with a 2 person shower. The condo rents ferociously throughout the year.

    Head over to Macys or Dillards or even JC Penneys and try the same test with their 8/10 stainless steel sets. For roughly $40-50 bucks you can give your customers a better experience for slightly more. 

    Advertising you have HDTVs is not the same as having "H-D-T-Vs" ;) Running out on Black Friday and splurging on 26" LCDs tells me not that you care - but that you are tightwad who is only driven by profit only. The owner who at least makes and effort to go with 48" or larger and makes it 1080p will definitely get my attention. Cost difference? 2-300 bucks and it is an investment in something that lasts years and years.

  • Investor · Milford, OH · Member since 2015 · 15 posts · 6 votes
    9y

    I am interested in investing in vacation rentals but I have struggled with finding the right area.  Any suggestions would be appreciated or ideas on where to look for the best areas that will keep the rental filled.  

    I considered Gatlinburg a few times because I really like it there and it has year round vacationers but I cannot make the numbers work because the nightly rate is too cheap and there is too much competition, also it is on fire right now so good I avoided it. 

  • Realtor · Kansas City, MO · Member since 2014 · 148 posts · 40 votes
    9y

    If you are open to different areas, I'd suggest you taking a look at this website: http://bit.ly/2gQ6TAM. These branded and standardized vacation rentals communities that we are building across the nation.

  • Branson, MO · Member since 2015 · 145 posts · 96 votes
    9y

    Gatlinburg is a GREAT area. One of my best friends owns a nightly over there (cabin) and it does well. 

    Honestly, what I would do is pull up a site like VRBO and look at similar properties in the area. Then go down the page and look at their availability calendar which will give you a feel for how other similar properties are renting.

    For example - you are buying a 3 bedroom condo in Gatlinburg that will sleep 10 people.

    Go to VRBO, search for condos, 10 people and hit go. (don't worry about price)

    From there you will get results which will let you peruse the owners occupancy. If everything is booked to the 9s - you have a winner. If there is a ton of vacancy - in the words of Walter White - run! ;)

  • Lender · Elk Grove, CA · Member since 2016 · 190 posts · 94 votes
    9y

    Thank you for the tips, @Michael Kugler. We're two weeks away from closing on our first STR and currently shopping for all of the amenities, making it a point to deliver on things like sheets/towels, TV, and silverware/dishes. I am buying a DVD player and will be going to walmart to stock up on cheap DVDs from those bins they have. Easy way to create value at a small cost. I am going to have professional photos taken but will tell the photographer to not touch them up. Good angles, good lighting but make sure they're honest shots. Great tip.

  • Branson, MO · Member since 2015 · 145 posts · 96 votes
    9y

    Super Jake! I bet you will have many years of fun.

    A homeowner should always strive to set the expectations and then when the traveler arrives, exceed their expectations. 

  • Investor · The worst town to live in, KS · Member since 2016 · 4k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    9y

    There is a Redbox kiosk directly across the street from 9 of my furnished apartments.  I put a streaming Blu-Ray player in every apartment.  That way, they can rent movies from across the street or if they have Netflix, Hulu or Amazon prime they can log into the Blu-Ray under their own account and stream whatever they want.  Each apartment has it's own modem and router, 15 mbps.

  • Investor · Harrison, AR · Member since 2016 · 34 posts · 8 votes
    9y

    I have 1 in Branson and close on another the 14th, I would love to meet up and buy you a beer. I am from Harrison, AR but invest in Branson and KCMO long term.

  • Bruno C.Pro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Providence, RI · Member since 2013 · 120 posts · 41 votes
    9y

    @Michael Kugler it's great to hear your experiences and inspires confidence in a lot of us for sure. I began renting or my condo full time and have had gangbusters results.  Couldn't agree more with the thoughts on high amenities and high level of service. The extra few dollars each time is absolutely worth it.

    Any strategy in terms of website? I've been considering building one but not sure if it's worth it...thoughts?

  • Shawn AckermanPro Member
    Real Estate Entrepreneur · Mid West, East Coast · Member since 2015 · 3k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    9y

    @Michael Kugler Thanks for the contribution!

  • Rental Property Investor · Springfield, MO · Member since 2013 · 109 posts · 92 votes
    9y
    Thanks, Mike. I am thinking about doing a little VRBO in Ozark. Of course, it wouldn't have the big draw of the strip in Branson or the lakes. But it is not that far from MSU. And only a straight 25 minute drive down 65 to Branson. Would love to talk to you about some ideas.
  • Branson, MO · Member since 2015 · 145 posts · 96 votes
    9y
    Originally posted by @Sherry Byrne:

    Thanks, Mike. I am thinking about doing a little VRBO in Ozark. Of course, it wouldn't have the big draw of the strip in Branson or the lakes. But it is not that far from MSU. And only a straight 25 minute drive down 65 to Branson. Would love to talk to you about some ideas.

     Why is it I think I know you? :D I had a friend named David Byrne (And not a Talking Head :D) who rode an Indian - any relation? 

    So here is the thing. I had mentioned this to someone else on another thread and just decided to give it a run myself right now on your reply. 

    At this time, VRBO is the standard by which all others are measured. I went to the VRBO site and typed in Ozark for the 4th of July, 2017. At this time there is one listing and it is only drawing $125 a night. (You can see my search results in the images)

    I am not sure of your relation to the house from your posting. Is this a home you already own? Are going to buy? Bought a new one and want to either rent monthly or nightly? A little more information could help. The size of the home is important as well, as the bigger homes will rent easier in my opinion. 

    The whole gist of my post is this. It is one thing to get a guest. It is another to get them back and talking positively about your property. If they have an incredible time, you can be sure they will. Here at our place we thrive on repeats. 10s of 1,000s of them every single year. Everyone here can do the same, no matter what location they are IMO.

  • Rental Property Investor · Springfield, MO · Member since 2013 · 109 posts · 92 votes
    9y
    Thanks again, Mike. No this was a little place I already owned. I decided to remodel it and to try it out short term rentals. It is all designed as a little farmhouse. Cute as can be! It is a two bedroom two bath. But it can sleep eight people. i know a lot of the guys down in Branson that are doing these short term rentals. They do the really large six bedroom six bath places. I didn't want to start that big. Just stick my toe in the water with this adorable little farmhouse. (I call it a farmhouse. But it's actually in the town of Ozark on a regular lot, maybe slightly larger than most lots. It is not out in a rural area on land.)
  • Branson, MO · Member since 2015 · 145 posts · 96 votes
    9y
    Originally posted by @Bruno C.:

    @Michael Kugler it's great to hear your experiences and inspires confidence in a lot of us for sure. I began renting or my condo full time and have had gangbusters results.  Couldn't agree more with the thoughts on high amenities and high level of service. The extra few dollars each time is absolutely worth it.

    Any strategy in terms of website? I've been considering building one but not sure if it's worth it...thoughts?

     Super! Customers always appreciate care and I am glad you are seeing the results of it. Just in this thread alone I have been afforded a great learning opportunity with the possibility of offering streaming service to our guests. Pretty cool idea indeed.

    What kind of website? A personal one? Absolutely I would advise it. If nothing else, it could be a blog style website that you could send to your customers. Make it personal, I mean REALLY personal. Tell them about a locals POV when it comes to restaurants. Where can they get service for a faulty vehicle? Where can they find affordable groceries and gas? A peer to peer website like VRBO? Without a doubt. We went with VRBO for many years before we bailed and went the MyAlpu way.

    The reason I created MyAlpu was primarily due to the fact I was sick and tired of the expense of VRBO and quite frankly don't need it any longer. We have almost booked out for next July, and the rest will follow. In the meantime, folks are always looking for an alternative to them. Ours is definitely that and is 20 times cheaper. :D

    Kicker is, they are the mountain at this time and we know it so we always advocate for people to make the smart move by listing with them at least for a couple of years or until they can get some clientele lined up. Us on the other hand...We have time, time, time, time.... Eventually, we too will have a sizeable database of clients and we intend to flood them with customer service as well.

  • Branson, MO · Member since 2015 · 145 posts · 96 votes
    9y
    Originally posted by @Michael` Cluer:

    I have 1 in Branson and close on another the 14th, I would love to meet up and buy you a beer. I am from Harrison, AR but invest in Branson and KCMO long term.

     Any time Mike. Just was in Harrison last month. Sitting on the side of the road with a massive blowout on my SUV. :D Great thing though, got to meet a local and eat some great food. :D

    Let me know when you are around and we can meet up. We will be heading off to Anna Marie at the end of the month, but otherwise will be around. 

    (Just found out I can't post a phone number - against the rules. :D) Click on my link - my phone number is on the page. Contact whenever convenient.

  • Branson, MO · Member since 2015 · 145 posts · 96 votes
    9y
    Originally posted by @Sherry Byrne:

    Thanks again, Mike.
    No this was a little place I already owned. I decided to remodel it and to try it out short term rentals. It is all designed as a little farmhouse. Cute as can be! It is a two bedroom two bath. But it can sleep eight people.
    i know a lot of the guys down in Branson that are doing these short term rentals. They do the really large six bedroom six bath places. I didn't want to start that big. Just stick my toe in the water with this adorable little farmhouse. (I call it a farmhouse. But it's actually in the town of Ozark on a regular lot, maybe slightly larger than most lots. It is not out in a rural area on land.)

     Then by all means I would say give it a shot. How close are you to Lamberts? That is a huge draw for anyone. You also have the wild animal zoo of SGF. The Springfield Cardinals, Bass Pro, the SGF airport, and so on. Yes, Branson has a higher draw, but there are definitely places to see from up north and you should emphasize that as well. A big draw close to you in the Laura Ingalls Wilder house only 40 minutes away. People still travel from all over the world to see her place.

    Advertise it and overwhelm your guests. You will be astonished at how easy it is to run a successful STR.

  • Rental Property Investor · Springfield, MO · Member since 2013 · 109 posts · 92 votes
    9y
    Wow! Great suggestions. I would not have thought of them. Will let you know how it goes.
  • Colleen F.Pro Member
    Investor · Narragansett, RI · Member since 2013 · 8k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    9y

    like the suggestions. One I don't see and can make a big difference I have seen as a vacationer is providing an easy to use operating instruction manual for key amenities. We rented a Las Vegas property for the weekend and just about the only things I remember is the broken dishwasher and the great hot tub instructions with pictures.  I never would have been able to operate that hot tub without them.  Valves to switch etc. would have pushed a so so review to terrible.

    The other comment I would make is keeping your target audience in mind when furnishing and supplying amenities.  Kids, high end renters, likely to cook? match the amenities to that and your area.  If there are beds for 20 the pots should be suitable for that number.  Games ? Bikes? Does it fit the area and who is renting?

  • Branson, MO · Member since 2015 · 145 posts · 96 votes
    9y
    Originally posted by @Colleen F.:

    If there are beds for 20 the pots should be suitable for that number.  Games ? Bikes? Does it fit the area and who is renting?

    All great points, but this one ^ is a winner!

    At this moment - I can point to a property that sleeps 16 people and has a dining table for 6! That just astounds me. They don't have to get a King Arthur's table but at the same time should at least allow for half to sit and eat (kids first?). 
    Along the same vein as your suggestion for the kids we did this. You can't turn the whole property into a romper room unless that is what you are exclusively angling for but, you can set aside possibly 1 small area (a bedroom perhaps?) that is "kid centric". It won't overwhelm the rest of the house and goes miles for customer happiness. Not all movies need to be Breaking Bad (My personal favorite) A couple of Spiderman, Barbie, Finding Nemo, etc. will go a long way. Chinese checkers - checkers - even coloring books. Yes, they use them, and you throw them away and replace with another $1 coloring book from Dollar General.

    It's the little things.

    (BTW - that must have been some hot tub. :D)

  • Branson, MO · Member since 2015 · 145 posts · 96 votes
    9y

    Here's another suggestion that I have forgot to mention numerous times previously. 

    You should always set aside 2 deep cleanings a year minimum. Here is our process for deep cleaning to give you an idea. 

    Every baseboard is cleaned thoroughly. Every door track, window sill, and shower door scrubbed and vacuumed. Refrigerators are unplugged and pulled out from the wall. Vacuum the coils in the back of the refrigerator, clean spotlessly under the refrigerator. Allow ALL ice to melt out. (Generally this works best after 24 hours with the doors open on the refrigerator)

    Beds are likewise cared for in the same manner. Mattress off to one side, box springs to the other. If you have dust ruffles they get cleaned. Of course heavy vacuuming at this time. Pull out armoires from the wall along with dressers. Look for grandma's meds or pills she dropped on the floor, spiders, webs, etc.

    Hire in a professional carpet cleaner. (Our 1800 sq/ft. condos set us back 80 a cleaning. YMMV)

    Polish all chrome fixtures to a high glean. Easy off the oven overnight. Check curtains, knobs, fixtures, legs on tables for looseness and so on.

    And this is a big one. Paint...

    Touch up paint is great and shows care. But if your paint is old and faded, even worse full of direct sunlight - you may have to just paint the wall and be done with it. Paint though will give it a clean and sharp look that is sure to be noticed by your customers. (FYI - we paint our rooms here at the resort 100% every 3 years. The condos are painted roughly every 8 years. Spot paint is a weekly/monthly upkeep)

    Assuming reasonable care by your guests should ensure another pleasant 6 months before things begin to need looked at again.

  • Investor · Las Vegas, NV · Member since 2015 · 273 posts · 217 votes
    9y

    @Jake Knight @Paul Sandhu Instead of DVDs just get a streaming stick (Google/Roku). People can stream their own content from their computer or you can just sign up for a Netflix/Amazon/Hulu account that people can use and give the details to whoever does your changeovers. 

  • Lender · Elk Grove, CA · Member since 2016 · 190 posts · 94 votes
    9y

    @Blair Russell that's a good point. I was going to get a DVD player for our sunroom TV and have the smart TV in the main room, but I guess it would be about the same cost to get a streaming stick instead.

  • Seattle, WA · Member since 2016 · 16 posts · 3 votes
    9y

    Thanks @Michael Kugler, great advice as I am in the process of setting up my new vacation rental in Bisbee, AZ. The special little touches go a LONG way!

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