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All Forum Posts by: Babek Sandhar

Babek Sandhar has started 13 posts and replied 62 times.

According to my friend who's a lawyer, he had a few things to say (but said you should consult with a lawyer to get a second opinion on this):

1. Whoever holds the mortgage, you want them in the loop, whenever that happens. When they refinance they may want to put the daughter's name and notify the title company of the change.

2. Property Taxes: Should be safe since you plan on living in the home (because it's a primary residence, should be excempt with parent/child exemption), but you would want to get a second opinion on this. You need to let the county know of the preliminary  change in ownership. When deed is recorded, the PCOR will go to the county as well (sent both together). 

3. You will have to discuss w/ title company whether you will use joint tenancy or tenancy in common.

Again discuss with a lawyer is your best bet, or a CPA. Just some guidance and things to think about for you, good luck.

Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:
Originally posted by @Poem Turner:

@Jacob Pereira I tend to agree with your assessment. We've seen the hype about the gigafactory and how many jobs it would bring and then watched investors overpay (IMHO) and drive up prices in the Del Valle area only to find those rents don't fit the budget of the employees moving here; oops! This is something I discussed with my clients at length in the past year or so. Convenience or not, Tesla executives won't be living in the Del Valle area for many more years, akin to the Oracle scenario you mentioned. Good news for Austin overall, but Austin's Colony is a long way from being the next Westlake Hills.

your right  the reason these companies move out of greater Bay area is the price of housing.. and they cant pay the wages for a manufacturing job that allows workers to live anywhere near the facility.. the Fremont facility the average price I am going to guess is right at about 750k to 1 mil for a 1600 sq ft to 2k sq ft home.. Plus the idea is that the people moving and working there can BUY a home NOT rent a home.. The Tesla factory was a GM factory in the 60s then mothballed then a numi factory then mothballed then Tesla and just down the road used to the the Ford factory.. we flew over it as a way point call out flying into San Jose Muni / international back in the day.  Those jobs left the state ONLY Tesla has come in and remained.  High priced real estate is driven in the bay area by TECH.

This is the reason so much auto manufacturing has gone to rural America IE TN AL MS SC IN OH etc.. NON Union unlike MI and workers can make 20 or so an hour and buy a home.. So as long as Austin has areas within 30 to 40 minutes of the plant that can be bought for 250 to 300k ( and i know prop tax's are a major impediment to DTI ) although offset with no income tax so i get that. Telas employees are not going to get a significant raise in lifestyle with nicer housing and shorter commute.. People do not move out of CA for weather concerns.

this is the issues with Silicon valley  many have to live out in the Central valley and commute 90 minutes or more one way per day its a grind.

But CA silicon VAlley is not going anywhere all you have to do is drive around for a half day and see one after another multi billion dollar projects going on with new tech companies I have never even heard of.. its astounding really.

OF course its not only housing  although as it relates to the employees I think that is the major issue.. for the owners stock holders CA has high tax.

And finding a site large enough like what they bought in Texas is not feasible in the Greater Bay area.. so they have to move no choice.

Agreed with Jay here, we've printed trillions of dollars and have grown at rates never seen before. There isn't a rotation of liquidity from one place to another, but rather an injection of liquidity into the economy (meaning more growth). Bay Area takes the biggest piece of the pie and it being displaced won't happen overnight. Most of the big deals are still in the Bay Area and the only difference is the size of these deals are getting bigger and bigger according to pitchbook's data.

Living in San Jose, I saw during Covid how even with people rotating out from Bay Area to Central Valley, that commute has become unbearable if it wasn't already from Central Valley to the Bay Area as companies called back workers into the office. 

Google is going ahead and building it's campus in San Jose, even as many thought remote work was here to stay. Adobe has also began building a campus in San Jose. There is growth all around and there's enough money to go around. 

Originally posted by @Andrew Postell:

@Babek Sandhar there are hundreds of articles on this subject.  Just google "which renovations increase home value most" or some combination of that.  You'll see TONS of resources.  Keep in mind that none provide $1=$1 benefit though.  Hope that helps some in what you are looking for.

Thank you Andrew, I’ve already read a handful online. They do offer insightful information, but I feel the best resource is BiggerPockets :)


thanks for the response

Hey all,

I've been working as an agent in the Bay Area and have specifically ran into homes with clients who want to list properties off market. What are some of the best strategies to marketing a home off market? What's worked best for you? What type of things do investors / off market property hunters consider when buying? Thanks all. 

Hey all, 

I've been looking for the data to support this but it's hard to find at the moment. I'm wondering what improvements would you guys consider the most important and which improvements increase the house value the most in percentage terms?

I'd say exterior landscaping, kitchen, bathroom, windows, doors/garage doors, etc. Anything that's aesthetically pleasing. But does anyone have any data or research that shows the average percentage of increase per renovation item. I'm really curious if it's possible to obtain this type of information, even if it's in a limited capacity.

Hey Guarav,

Keep in mind metro cities were hit kind of hard because of covid. I.E. SF and SJ suffered more than other places around the country because people relocated to cheaper areas. Areas like El Cerrito, El Sob, CV, Oakley were extremely hot areas with people moving from places like Menlo Park --> El Cerrito and paying way over asking. So knowing which markets in the Bay Area people are moving too is your first step. There's a lot of data you can find online for this. Some areas people were paying way over asking vs other areas (I.E. in 2020 El Cerrito way over asking vs Half Moon Bay least likely to see homes over asking). 

Understanding that will answer your question to specifically why some houses go 200k over vs 500k over per flip (not completely cause it comes down to the deal itself). Covid changed the way workers chose to work and adjust to life in remote settings. It's an anomaly which will take time to adjust too. Will people continue relocating or will there be a mean reversion over the coming years?

If you're looking in areas that weren't as hot for flips, make sure you're getting an extremely undervalued property & get a contractor to give you an estimate, fill in your proforma and estimate your margin assuming no price appreciation (the only way to truly know).

I haven't flipped any properties since 2018. Anyways All the flips I did from 2015-2018 ranged from between 20-35% (Pre-Cap Gains Tax, all were sold within 3-7 months). Houses done in Fremont, which was a hot area at the time (still is) grossed the most & people were willing to overpay for that area and we were able to capitalize on crazy housing appreciation between close of escrow (when work officially started) --> off market date.

 Again it came down to the deal itself and how much $$$ was invested in the home for renovations. It's hard to say how much each home should net because it's really a case by case study. Apples and oranges really.

I think it comes down to the areas you go too and the deal itself. You need to be able to analyze what houses are undervalued in the respective area and if you can get it up to par with some comparables in that neighborhood and how fast they sell in those areas. That's how you'll truly know the cost of renovation plus how much you may be able to net for the property. Getting deals off market helps, or just knowing how to find a good one on MLS (I have my own system for finding MLS properties which is usually pretty effective if you have somewhat a creative mind).

The Bay Area is another animal and not like typical markets around the country, it's essentially a big city like NY (7.5 million population in Bay Area) and extremely tech driven. It is extremely diverse so understanding the demographics of areas and flows is extremely important IMO. Can't emphasize enough how important it is to understand where the inflows and outflows in different counties and cities are.

Labor and material are extremely expensive in the Bay Area rn. I don't know if you plan on doing the work yourself. And are you going to buy, renovate, rent and refinance (BRRR) or sell immediately?

As our stock market begins to recover, Covid-19 cases seem to be "slowing" down, and the economy seems to be through the worst of this pandemic, I am far from convinced this is even close to over. 

It seems we are seeing a type of systematic breakdown of the current system. Does that mean end of the world? No. 

But it does mean significantly lower prices and dismantling of the euphoric drivers of optimism into all markets. It surprises me to see no posts about worries about our financial markets or how these types of environments can create the domino effect that could roll over into real estate and creating deflationary pressures in real estate over the next several years which should be equivalent if not worse than 2008-2009. 

The 2008-2009 subprime crisis was a direct result of real estate literally being the driver that almost brought the global economy down. I don't think we'll ever see a subprime crisis again. CDOs accounted for $800 billion and single handedly drove the economy into the worst recession since the Great Depression. Sure it won't be the exact same cause, but most likely the same effect. Lower prices.

Although we don't have to worry about CDOs, we do have another serious issue which could be potentially worse for real estate. Mortgage Backed Securities (aka MBS).  MBS make up 8 trillion dollars of our economy! Almost 10 fold what CDOs were. If that doesn't concern you, I'll let you be. But liquidity getting sucked out of these indexes will affect housing prices.

I began posting about drivers in real estate in major metropolitan areas, discussing some of the main drivers in these areas (hint: foreign buyers). This demand shock drove prices to astronomical levels since ~2014. However, we began to see real estate begin to cool off in major cities as these buyers began to disappear. 

It is here I believe the second phase of the problem begins. Not only has demand fallen since the end of 2018, but now we are going to see major issues with MBS. The issues with our economy will eventually roll over into Real Estate. Real Estate tends to move in a lag as a result of recessionary and deflationary (prices going down) pressures so these effects will not be see the full effects for months, even years. I do not think all markets fall by 30-60%, but I do see a lot of major metropolitan areas (Seattle, Bay Area, New York, LA) falling around this much. Areas with smaller markets that experienced linear growth rather than exponential growth should fair well and shouldn't see significant drops in prices.

1) How do Mortgage Backed Securities (MBS) work? 

Answer: To simplify it as much as possible let's use an example.
Bob wants a loan for a house. He goes to his Mortgage Broker, Johnson for the loan. Johnson goes to the bank on Bob's behalf, and the bank sends Bob the loan.

The bank then sells Bob's loan to Fannie and Freddie. Fannie and Freddie then give the loan to the bank, where the bank profits off the difference in interest rates from Fannie and Freddie.

Fannie and Freddie take a bundle of loans like Bob's which they've collected from all sorts of banks all over the US and create this Mortgage Backed Security. Is this Mortgage Backed Security determined based off anything like creditworthiness, risk, etc.? Nope not at all. 

Fannie and Freddie then put this Mortgage Backed Security in the MBS Open Market where a buyer usually buys this bundled security. Typically it's pension fund or investment bank like (Morgan Stanley & Goldman Sachs). Here's a list of the 22 biggest MBS Funds to give you an idea.

All in all, this theoretically allows everyone to benefit. Off a couple of important assumptions: Prices rise and we have buyers for Mortgage Backed Securities. 

If prices continue to go up. The banker makes money off the spread, Fannie and Freddie sell the MBS' at a profit, the mortgage banker gives out loans and gets his commission, and the home buyer benefits from a rising housing prices. 

What happens when no one wants the MBS? This leads to a domino effect of freddie and fannie not collecting bank mortgages because no one will buy the MBS, so in effect credit gets tighter. Housing stays on market longer than normal and there are less buyers. 

In addition many of the MBS are on margin accounts so when prices of the MBS fall enough it forces the investor to make a margin call (or a basic decision); you can either deposit more money to keep the fund liquid, or sell assets (in this case, MBS). 

All in all, we are seeing the signals of a slowing real estate market. 

Home supply is expected to increase once the Covid-19 virus is lifted.

Credit is tightening (banking standards and the amount of loans Fannie and Freddie can issue), less home buyers to fill this demand side.

MBS selling pressure and margin calls will in turn suck out liquidity that's already exiting with tightening credit that goes directly to people like Bob or you and me. 

To summarize what should follow is this: selling pressure, lack of buyers, and sudden shock to business and commercial real estate MBS' will have a roll over effect into all real estate. This lag has more to do with how long it takes housing to catch up to the wits of the economy. Prices begin falling over a longer haul and perhaps we can begin looking for opportunities in 2-4 years. 

Have a good one everyone, and as always please feel free to discuss.

Originally posted by @Marshal Butterfield:

Hello Katie Miller ! 

We have a property that might fit the bill. Some of the pics I have provided were taken during the renovation.

I really love what you did.

Here's some flips me and my buddy were doing in the Bay Area! Haven't sorted all the pics so a compilation of 4-5 projects.

@Chad Urbshott interesting point. The thing that makes that statement a tough sell for me is I see all of this having a domino effect on each other.

Commercial businesses don’t pay rent means businesses are doing bad —> businesses doing bad means higher chance they are underwater and less jobs —> less jobs for people means it’s increasingly harder to pay mortgages —> less businesses doing well means less money to spend on good and services—> drops in demand to spend on good and services means less people buying ALL Real Estate.

I don’t think you can have one market suffer enormously while the other one escapes relatively unscathed. So I think you have to assume that if commercial market is in bad shape, than the whole real estate market is in bad shape.

Why did the subprime crisis lead to one of the worst global recessions we have ever seen? Simple cause and effect.

Also as safe as real estate has been historically speaking, it really has more to do with steady growth over decades more than anything. Prices inflating by 10% a year is not “Steady growth.”

Hence my theory of us seeing a major real estate correction over the next several years of at least 30-60% in major markets (SF, NY, SEATTLE). I think other smaller RE markets are less affected but will too be affected by this regardless as they fall victim to the idiocracy of institutionalism.

Call me crazy, but these are also some crazy times we live in no?!