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All Forum Posts by: Babek Sandhar

Babek Sandhar has started 13 posts and replied 62 times.

I would also like to point out a trend in the past: 

When 2/10 treasuries invert in the US, a recession typically follows within 2 years. Stock market can lag when official recession begins (i.e. recession began in 2007 but stock market didn't crash until the following fall). We've already seen quite a few bank failures with the feds floating at least 1. Germany has began a recession and typically US follows within a 1-2 years. This has always happened before a recent history. Add in China's bank runs and troubles, I think that people are a little too optimistic and this is something to definitely think about. Perhaps my 40-60% drops in RE are unrealistic but we've seen it before, why not again when people are underwater and housing supply dramatically increases?! Just food for thought.

Originally posted by @Bill B.:

It already happened and it had “zero” impact.  

Chinese purchases of American homes “plunge 36%” -July 2019  

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/1...

First we were scared the Japanese were buying everything, now it’s the Chinese, we never worry about the Canadians, or the Europeans. 

Ps. All Foreigners combined buy about 5% of our real estate but 50% of that total I s in California Florida and Texas. 

 Good post and thanks for sharing the article.

It's important to reiterate that what scares me the most is not only the reduction in foreign investment, but also the possibility of an economic downturn in combination with lack of foreign investment. I think that's an assumption that is quite often ignored and that's what really leads me to my "40-60% reduction in home sales" in some/all major RE markets. Assuming everything will stay the way it is while prices slide is not a feasible assumption (US is currently in the longest Bull Market in its history and is head over heels the strongest economy in the world). Prices falling while all variability remaining the same (no recession) would indicate a short term correction which historically results in a roughly 10-25% drop in prices. 

How will our markets react to recessionary/deflationary pressures when they arrive is my real question in combination with missing the drivers of real estate appreciation in these Major Cities? Does anyone think the main issue can be higher interest rates will drive inflation up and devalue our cash making property a much more safer bet? Personally I think the trend is towards negative interest rates (look at every other countries trends) which would indicate deflationary pressure but you can make make a very strong argument for either or! 

I guess Toronto is doing a lot better than when I had last checked (the supply glut seems to create bidding wars I saw in the Bay Area over the last several years as well as companies moving to Toronto), but Canada is headed for a recession in the next 2-3 years latest given we have already seen a 2/10 yield curve inversion in their bond yields and weakness in the Loonie currency itself. Is the assumption still the same if there was to be a recession is my question. And if US was to go into a recession, is the assumption for the Canadian RE market still the same or do many think Canada will be unaffected by this?

I think that this post can be taken very much out of context if not applied to the right market. So I hope it does not confuse people as to believing foreign investment has been a driver in all RE Markets. Not all RE markets are impacted by foreign drivers, but rather the biggest markets, especially over the last decade or so. There is great value in buying property, but in major metropolitan areas, I do not think there are many opportunities in these areas as of now (except in Chicago where affordability is rather low for a big city).

Originally posted by @Luke Hadden:

@Babek Sandhar

Great insights.

Housing market here in Singapore is still very much a safe haven for Chinese investment.

On Jan 16 in Hong Kong, I saw the research heads from Savills and CBRE make claims that the local protests would impact the commercial (retail) real estate market. They both claimed the demonstrations would not impact the Hong Kong residential real estate market. The guys from Savills and CBRE said the last time Hong Kong had a drop is residential pricing was SARS. So, I imagine with what’s happening over here with the coronavirus will absolutely keep foreign investors keen on markets like the US, Australia, Uk, Canada, Etc.

Thank you for this post, I found this very insightful. Thank you so much for this post.

@Hai Loc that’s good to know. Thanks for sharing your thoughts!

That's good to know. I heard Google was moving there, don't quote me on that though. How are insurance premiums over there? I heard in some overpriced areas, insurance premiums became very pricey in Canada forcing people out of homes. Is that the case over in Toronto?

@Lumi Ispas, I was actually looking at Chicago the other day. Amazing deals right now!!! I find that market to be very attractive right now. I would definitely consider Chicago if I was to invest. Interestingly enough, Chicago is one of the most undervalued Major cities in the world!!! I'd definitely consider something there.

Bringing this topic up with hopes that people with more insight could pitch in and provide insight or personal opinions/experiences from all parts of US or even the world. I acknowledge that this post will upset a lot of people with a lot of skin in the game. So you have been warned in advance! Please do not read further if you feel this is the case for yourself and ruin your weekend! 

I do not wish to offend anyone, but rather stimulate discussion and hear what everyone else's opinion on the subject matter.

Quick backstory on how I got here. It's been a while since I've posted (my last post was in late 2018 after I completed the last 3 house flip projects for a RE Investor who was rehabbing and flipping homes from 2015-2018). My job for this investor (who is an agent and interior designer) was serving as an analyst, constructing proformas, consulting on my opinion on macroeconomic markets and outlooks for real estate, consulting on microfinancial decisions (I am an Economics major with a specialization in International Macro-Finance & Econometrics), and managing day to day duties of rehabs on site. After these projects concluded and were sold, a decision was made by him in part due to financial stability (I still needed to work) created over last 2 years and cracks we began seeing in the global economy. 

The risk substantially increased given that we are approaching the end of the US business cycle and most importantly when China began reducing foreign capital outflows of their citizens into assets, especially Real Estate really began to tighten in late 2018. Capital controls imposed on Chinese citizens really began around 2016, which may explain why homes prices really started jumping up early 2017 as the controls became effective around June-July of 2017 so presumably many buyers were rushing into safe haven assets in anticipation of this happening.

Long story short on China, many citizens have fears of policies over there and feel that a weakening Yuan over the next several years in addition to bank runs and an impending credit crisis (China has printed more money over last 2 years than ever in their history) will have heavy implications on their wealth and they wish to diversify and send as much money out as they can before things begin to get really messy. Keep in mind that Chinese own a lot of dollars and treasuries after helping bail us out in 2008-2009 crisis and many projects whether they are infrastructure in Africa, Silk Road in Asia, or Investments by citizens in other countries are ALWAYS done in dollars. This in effect weakens the currency as citizens dump yuans for dollars making their saving and currency worth much less and reduces purchasing power.

I don't know if anyone thinks these implications around the world can have serious implications on the real estate market world wide as I believe. It seems that something will have to fundamentally change in order to see real estate appreciate at the rate it's been appreciating at. Some examples of potential future drivers will be: something similar to what Bush did when he signed the American Dream Downpayment Act of 2003, China easing up on Capital Controls (this would be a great sign, but with trade war and China's issues with their own economy I seriously doubt this), IPOs over last 2 years creating much needed wealth for employees (takes 12-24 months for them to be able to exercise stock options), a dot com like bubble in the stock market (I think this is most likely scenario given stock buybacks and QE and I won't be surprised to see stocks doing something absolutely unbelievable over the next 1-5 years similar to 97-end of dot com bubble), or heavy doses of QE and easier access to credit for most people.

Working in the Bay Area, we saw first hand how many buyers were foreign and how many paid for houses in cash without even looking at the homes in quite a few cases. My interest in Real Estate (especially in Bay Area) has faded since because I believe heavy dose of deflation should set in sometime over the next 10 years bringing up some very attractive opportunities to buy Real Estate at a major discount (40-60% targets from highs). I have been saving up and building my credit with hopes of making purchases after prices begin bottom according to my own thesis on what I expect to play out in the global economy over the next several years.

While I cannot speak on behalf of all RE markets far and wide, I think this thesis represents many major cities where Foreign RE was invested in heavily (Think LA, Seattle, Bay Area, New York, Vancouver, Toronto, Sydney, Melbourne, Singapore, London, and many many cities in Europe). Look at what's happened in all these major cities where foreign buyers have disappeared. How has this affected the market where you lived? Have you been affected at all or haven't? What do you think have been drivers in your areas? Please comment below, I would love to hear everyone else's opinions. How has the market in the Bay Area looked since 2018 (I haven't really kept up to date as much as before)? I would love to hear why people think my strategy may be flawed as well, so comment down below.

Hey BP comrades,

I wanted to throw a feeler out there and get some feedback. 

I've bought and sold five homes in the Bay Area (East Bay) over the last 2 years. Recently, I started working with one of my best friends who is a designer and I love the way my projects are turning out.

My margins have been pretty good (upward 20% on an average 4-6 month time span). 

I would love to continue to do this, but I want to mitigate my risk going forward due to uncertainty in the markets (F Trump).

What I have in mind is gathering 1M in total cash (I can fund 25%) to do another project home/multi-unit and I could run everything from start to finish. I've never really worked with anyone else before, but I think if you believe the market will stay the way it is, it can be a great opportunity for anyone interested in rehabbing or getting started.

If anyone is interested, PM me to discuss further or see pics/numbers.

**I don't mean to sound rude, but I don't want to waste anyone's time and for that reason, I will provide my proof of funds and ask for the same in return. I know a lot of us are busy and don't want to waste anyone's time.

Not trying to sound too forward, but we would have to share our returns/projects (if any), proof of funds, etc to start working together. I'm looking to save your time and mine, so if you're interested, I look forward to hearing from you.

Interestingly enough, in Fremont, my partner and I cleared 230k, 210k and 125k on our first three in 2016-2017. I think the profit margin percentages were 27%, 21%, and 8%. After these flips were done, took a year off. Now we have three more properties (W. Oakland, Orinda, and Castro Valley) that should be ready in the next 2-3 months but none are in Fremont area. Will be interesting to see what happens since we’ve never gone outside Fremont. I’m a bit nervous but fingers are crossed. If anyone would like to see pictures I’d be more than happy to show anyone! We put A LOT of effort into our designs and we’re passionate about rehabbing and creating HOMES not just houses for margins!

Hey BP,

I would love input on what you guys would do in my situation. 

My mom bought a house and we were thinking of renovating the house so we can refinance and buy another property. We bought the house in 1997 for 250k and have about 100k left to pay on the mortgage (including a previous equity loan [about 8k left on that]). My mother is semi-retired, and I am about to graduate college and start working in August time (I will also be taking over most of the mortgage). We live in San Jose, CA and the redfin estimate of the house is about 1 million (I understand this is not the most accurate pricing, but it gives you a general idea what the house is worth).

What we are considering is taking out another Home Equity Loan to renovate the house and add an attachment (450-499 sqr ft.). We figure that our renovation should cost us somewhere between 50-100k. I also know that my mother is eligible for a HARP loan, although I'm not too sure how exactly those work. We have also entertained the idea of a HELOC, but with the interest rates being variable, I believe that if interest rates increase drastically (which I believe will happen over the next few years), that may not be our best option. What would be our best course of action? Thanks!