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All Forum Posts by: Nat C.

Nat C. has started 160 posts and replied 794 times.

Post: A trashed property and interesting propostion.

Nat C.Posted
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  • Miami, FL
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Originally posted by @Dawn Anastasi:
This email leads me to ask a lot of questions.

a) How did the PM let the property get THIS BAD without knowing anything about it to the point that they were about to show it and not know the condition it was in?

b) Was the issue of how the squatters got in (breaking the door or a window) taken care of so that the property was secured?

c) Were the prices quoted for repairs backed up by actual contractor quotes or are these just "off the cuff" estimates that may come in higher later? What is the PM's cut of the rehab work?

d) Why would anyone suggest just cleaning carpet that is infested with roaches and roach eggs?

e) Where did the refrigerator come from? Was it from the prior tenants? If not then how did the PM let one in with bugs in it?

f) There is no heat or central air? Since when? Was the property purchased like this or did someone take the mechanicals? How would a good PM consider renting out a place without any mechanicals?

Hi Dawn,

A. This is a new PM that I have hired, so she has just walked into the situation.

B. The PM said that she does not believe squatters got in as there is no evidence of forced entry and says she believes it was damaged by the former tenant.

C. Yes exactly the quote is 'off the cuff' and I would have to crunch these number.

D. I'm not sure how bad the carpet is so I can't answer.

E. I bought the fridge 8 months ago.

F. I just put in new central HVAC 8 months ago so pretty upset to hear it's now gone!

Post: A trashed property and interesting propostion.

Nat C.Posted
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  • Miami, FL
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Originally posted by @Monty Alston:
@Nat C. Wow! Sounds awful. I live outside of Atlanta. I am a contractor and a newly certified home inspector, however I am not asking for your business, just letting you know my qualifications. If it's in or around Atlanta I would be glad to go by and take a look at it for you "no charge".

Monty, that would be wonderful. The house is located in SW Atlanta. I will message you the address. I really need as much local help as I can get. I have no prior relationship with the property manager so I can't fully rely on her words as the gospel truth.

Post: A trashed property and interesting propostion.

Nat C.Posted
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Thank you very much to everyone who replied! I sincerely appreciate your time. I'm always grateful for this website. Sorry for delayed follow up as I was traveling for a few days.

Post: A trashed property and interesting propostion.

Nat C.Posted
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funnily enough I had a similar set up with the house last year. There were 4 students paying $500 for each room and I paid utilities. It was profitable but fell apart as the guy managing it was untrustworthy and not up for the job.

Post: A trashed property and interesting propostion.

Nat C.Posted
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  • Miami, FL
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I recently hired a property manager to manage my Atlanta 4 bedroom house. I just received the bad news that the property has been trashed. It sounds like squatters took residence.

The property manager has emailed me with an unusual proposition. I've never had any PM suggest anything so out there.

I would super appreciate the thoughts of experienced landlords and investors on this one. Please see the email she sent me below-

Hi Natalie, We had to cancel our Saturday Appt because the keys did not come in the mail until Monday afternoon. I was busy all day Tuesday so I scheduled for yesterday morning to preview and show. Well, I went inside yesterday morning and the home is NOT in any condition to show :/ I had to call The prospective tenant and cancel again. She has already been approved for Garibaldi St and wanted to move in this coming Saturday but there is no way this home will be ready to move anyone in by this Saturday.

The home is trashed and infested with bugs and reeks of the worst order I've smelled since being in the business. There is old molded food in containers everywhere like someone started to clean out the refrigerator and then abruptly stopped. The kitchen is rampant with roaches, flies and gnats. The refrigerator is full of roaches, gnats and old molded food. The bathroom toilet appears to have overflowed (when the water was on) and there is dried up feces and toilet tissue all over the bathroom floor. and that is just the downstairs...I only took pictures of the downstairs because I forgot to take pics while I was in there and had to come back after I had already left the property...but the smell was so bad I didn't want to stay in the house let alone travel up to the second floor. So you can only see pics of the 1st floor and only a quick view because I The second floor had piles of trash, clothes, debris, personal belongings left in every room.

There is no way I can rent 732 Garibaldi St "as is" however, if the following items can be repaired, replace or done I will be able to get someone in there NO PROBLEM...I get calls all day everyday about your home so it is promising that I will get a good renter...

1. You will need to have trash removal and because it is infested with roaches and there is human waste on the floors you will most likely be charged a hefty fee ($250-500).
2. It will need extermination, we will not be able to convince someone to live with pest. We will probably need to sign a contract on your behalf $150 initially and about $100 every 3 months for a year in order to get a pest control company to even come out.
3. I suggest replacing the carpet ($1000) but if you do not have the money to do so, it can just be cleaned ($100) HOWEVER, you will not be able to get rid of those roaches without removing the carpet because they lay eggs in the carpet and everywhere.
4. The Refrigerator is no good,after someone lets old meat and old food stay in a refrigerator like that it's like having a dead body in there, it MUST be removed & replaced...also, I believe it is the source of where the roaches came from in the 1st place because it was not new and you can see where they are coming in and out of the back and inside of the refrigerator. ($500 new $250 used I have one that one of my other owners is trying to sell and it comes from a clean home)
5. You will need a DEEP CLEAN ($250-450) it's no getting around that and it will probably be on the higher end because of the bugs and human feces.
6.There is no heat or air...now I can get a tenant in there without it but you will NEVER get a good tenant that will remain there and take care of the place long term. ($3500 for heat/air unit and instillation)
Max Total $6100 needed to get a good renter that will pay $800 (minus- 8% management Fee) your net $736 per month My

question to you is, are you in a position financially to take care of these things? If no, I totally understand but I must let you know that I will not be able to rent it to a good tenant until most of this is taken care of.

My

suggestion, do some configuration to this home and make it a money maker. It's already in a bad area but it's a lot of people who "room" in that area. I would fix all of the above, and add a tub/shower to the bathroom downstairs ($1000). I would take an additional $2k and furnish the entire home with beds for all rooms, desks, TVs and dressers and put a lock on all rooms and rent each room out. I would charge $400-600 a month all utilities included and I would close off that living room and make it a room too! You would then have 5 bedrooms at $2000-$3000 a month when full. I would have one of the tenants like a house mom that will make sure everything is good and will give that person a discounted $400 rent in order to do so. He or she would be basically paid $200 a month in discounted rent to keep the common areas of the home cleaned and in order, I would give the "House Mom" person the downstairs room so that he or she could be nosy and make sure that they can see who comes in and out of the home. This person should be older so that everyone else will respect her/him. I would install baby monitor cams in the common area so that he/she can see everything. In addition, this person can maintain the home in between persons leaving and going and will contact me regarding any problems with the home and will kind of be the watch out. We would be responsible for getting the folks approved and finding a great fit for the home but he/she would be like an assistant manager to us...I really think that would be your best options to reverse the adverse financial affect that you have been feeling...and you will start reaping the financial benefits that investing in a property like this could bring.

Apprx $9500 needed to take care of the above "Rooming Home" option and it will get rents that will pay $2k-3k per month (minus- 8% management fee and utilities <--apprx $300-400 a month for utilities) Your net $1540-$2460 Full occupancy. Which

ever way, I will be willing to help. I have a professional crew on call for everything and they always give me the best rates. I can arrange to have anything that I have suggested taken care of. Should you decide to do the boarding thing, I can have Garibaldi St look as if you paid BIG bucks to have it furnished and decorated. I did interior decorating for years before real estate and know how to design on a dime. I have done something similar to this for 2 of my investors in Israel. I arranged for a basement rehab and we took a 3 bedroom 1.5 bath $700 a month rent place and turned into a 5 bedroom 2.5 bath $1300 a month rental by turning a garage into a bedroom and adding a full bath and finishing an unfinished room near the garage and turning it into the master bedroom. I hope this was helpful...Let me know your plans so that I may let the prospective tenant know what our plans are for this property.

Kind Regards,

Trina Richardson

Associate Broker, Solid Source Realty GA

Post: Advice on best way to evict tenant (Nevada)

Nat C.Posted
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  • Miami, FL
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Originally posted by @Benjamin Timmins:
Think maybe your taking something personally that wasnt meant to be personal.

I'm not. I apologize if it came across that way. I just asked a sincere question for answers within the community and got told to go ask someone out of the community. Fair enough if someone can't offer advice but in that case, I'd say just don't answer at all.

Post: Advice on best way to evict tenant (Nevada)

Nat C.Posted
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Originally posted by @Benjamin Timmins:
He wasnt saying that particular PM, just a PM in the area. As for asking for someone else, a PM in the area will be able to give you a much better answer than someone here that doesnt live nor do business in the area.

I don't feel it's ethical to call a random PM who I don't employ or have a relationship with to request their time in giving me advice for free.

Hence I put it to the biggerpockets community to ask for advice as that is what the forum is there for. A response to 'go ask someone else' isn't called for.

Post: Advice on best way to evict tenant (Nevada)

Nat C.Posted
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Originally posted by @Account Closed:
you need to speak with local PM in the county your property is located as process differs in each city. It's really easy in TX where I'm located...send a 3 day pay or quit then file eviction with local justice of peace precinct. Good luck

Hey Jason, with respect I don't think it's appropriate to respond with a reply that I should go ask someone else. I was asking the folks on biggerpockets directly.

In addition my post already mentions that the PM quit, so your response that I should ask my PM is nonsensical.

Post: Property Managers

Nat C.Posted
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Hi Jatin,

The fees you have detailed are fairly standard and fair.

HOWEVER what you should be looking out for is other details in the contract which may not be so apparent at first but can burn a big hole in the rental income. This is from my experience-

1. Do you have to pay any start up or admin fee?

2. What are the cancellation terms and costs? If your property is still vacant after 2 months, can you cancel the contract and find another property manager without penalty?

3. Do they require you to pay a reserve or maintain an account?

4. Up to what price can they perform work without owner approval?

My experience with property managers has been less than desirable. It's not uncommon for the owners brother-in-law to be the in house handyman. They will send the handyman 10 times a year unnecessarily and deduct it from the rent without informing you as you signed a waiver in your contract stating they only needed to seek approval for repairs over $500.

I now require ALL work orders to be emailed me for approval. It cuts out a lot of potential ********.

Post: Advice on best way to evict tenant (Nevada)

Nat C.Posted
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I have a long term tenant who has been a pain in the *** since day 1. He either pays rent at the end of the month or the month after its due.

He refuses to pay by any normal method and will only pay if someone physically collects it from him. He is an alcoholic and very abusive.

I already lost an awesome property manager as he didn't want to deal with the tenant. The PM would go to the unit 5 times to try to collect the rent before he actually had any success. The rent is only $350 a month so it's certainly not worth the time and hassle.

I want to evict him as soon as possible. He's currently 1.5 months behind in rent and has been issued yet another 5 day notice to pay or quit. This happens on a regular basis and he usually pays on the 5th day.

His lease is up on 5 July. Can I issue the tenant with a 'no cause' 30 day notice to vacate as of today? That would require him to vacate mid July. Also I assume that he won't pay July's rent and then won't leave. So on 3 July when the rent is overdue, should I issue a 5 day notice to pay or quit and proceed with the eviction that way?