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All Forum Posts by: Angela Harding

Angela Harding has started 4 posts and replied 55 times.

Post: Best, most profitable region for rentals?

Angela Harding
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  • Real Estate Broker
  • Toledo, OH
  • Posts 55
  • Votes 38

Christopher,

We are coming out to California in April. Fresno to be exact. But meeting with several of our clients out there that can't make it here. If you are interested in Michigan or Toledo I would love to meet up with you when I'm there. 

Angela

Post: Property Investor from Australia

Angela Harding
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  • Real Estate Broker
  • Toledo, OH
  • Posts 55
  • Votes 38

Welcome! I completely understand how hard it is to find the right property management when you buy in Toledo. I've seen so many investors from Australia, Spain, California and others be completely burned here by managers. Some of the situations on the houses so poor the houses ended boarded up and on the online auction sites just passing a bad deal on to the next unsuspecting investor. There is a lot of hype to bring in investors from out of the area here with low property costs and high returns but once you are sold a house then it doesn't perform for several reasons. The biggest is because the property management here is so poor.  The second is because if you aren't working with someone who really knows what to look for in 100 year old houses you end up with a house that needs more work than you originally thought or you end up with a house that is high maintenance eating away your profits. The third, success here is about location, the areas that have high performing tenants. 

I manage in the State of Michigan and in Toledo (do not do Detroit at all but have in the past). When I tell people how to look for a good property management company I tell them bigger is not always better unless they have the staffing and experience to handle it. Use a company that completely focuses on property management and not sales. A good company will help you build your portfolio with houses that are lower maintenance in good performing areas. High maintenance and high turn over properties do nothing but cost a manager time and money. 

Everyone of us managers can hand over good references, no one is going to give you a name and number of a client that is unhappy. So here is how you find good management in Toledo. First, we have a system for tenants to put their rent in escrow if the manager is not properly taking care of the homes. You can contact the landlord department at the courthouse and ask them how many cases of escrow (name of property management company) has active and over the last year. Second, we have a public records for evictions. You can search the company to see how often they are in court evicting tenants from poor screening. If they have evictions every month you know screening is poor. 

We have a tight nit contractor community also. Plumbing is one of our biggest issues here. The main source of 24 hour emergencies here is Rooter Pro. There are others also that if you google and just start calling you can ask them if they do work with or have worked with in the past (name of property management company) if they don't work with them then chances are it's because they don't pay their bills leaving the owners of properties at risk. I was shocked when I found out owners paid property managers for service here but the managers did not pay the actual contractors that did the work. 

Another good indicator of a good company is how long the staff has been with them and how long they have been working with a contractor team. For us, we started in 2011 here and we have the same contractors and service providers that we began with. 

The most important thing you can do when investing away from home is to come to the area and spend a couple days meeting the people you are going to be working with. Ask to see homes that are currently being worked on. Most of my owners come in before they buy properties and visit once a year. When they come we set up to do inspections on every house. Owners get a chance to see the finished product and meet tenants to hear any of their concerns. If they really do provide good service then they will be completely transparent with every aspect of what they do. 

Finally to sum up my long winded reply, remember it is buyer beware when buying houses here. Don't think that there is no way to lose when spending 20 to 60 grand here. I have an investor that I took his properties on after a company from Spain sold him turn key houses and never checked the homes. Took the word of another owner selling a property that he said was completely rehabbed after a fire. He closed on it and two weeks later when they came into town found the unit still burnt up and needing over 100,000 in work and a city inspection for structure. He is now putting money into a legal battle while maintaining a burnt up home so the health department and code compliance won't press charges against him for not maintaining the home. It is a misdemeaner offense in Toledo if you do not take care of your vacant properties. The city will take you to court and get an order to tear the building down at your expense. If people are selling you property and recommending a property management company make sure you check them out and talk to as many managers as you can. Wholesalers, flippers, turn key providers just want to sell you a home. Invest slowly to begin with. Let one or two houses do well for you and be confident with your team here before you buy a portfolio of 20 houses. 

Angela

Post: Would you pay full retail for excellent cash flow?

Angela Harding
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  • Real Estate Broker
  • Toledo, OH
  • Posts 55
  • Votes 38
Originally posted by @David Nolan:

@Angela Harding Thank you for your kind words. I am happy to know someone got something from my post. You sound like a smart investor who knows what you are doing. However, I would like to suggest that by not investing for appreciation you are missing some of the game. Many times I have made money by looking for property that has a very clear upside to it. For example, the property may be in line for rezoning to a higher value use, it may be in a gentrification area that is creeping outwards, it may be in an area where there is clear growth on its way due to positive changes in the employment in an area. To not look at these factors means you are potentially missing some future big pay days.

again... Really great advice. 
Yes, I would love to invest and know there is going to be appreciation on property. It is one reason why we buy when the market is low. Toledo is very different because the prices are low and the appreciation is slow. Right now looking at our market we have nowhere to go but up. However, I can't predict that. No one can. So we play with the market we are in. Sometimes I tell myself I should be in another state with our skills and resources and we are looking at expanding into one other area. However, we stay where are grandchildren are going to live. For us it takes more properties to make more profits when selling. Investors that come to me and want turn key properties that have money just sitting making 2% and can turn that into 15% or more means there is a demand for just that situation here. I can't count on appreciation but I can add value to people's investments and the neighbor to help contribute to some appreciation. On a turn key house here I may have anywhere from 15,000 to 30,000 into the project. Investors come in and buy them at 28,000 to 55,000. We only buy in areas that I know are growing, areas that are improving or are already showing an appreciation in the area. It's smaller money per house, but money goes a long way. And the demand is great for investors to find quality and good management.

With prices this low leveraging properties is a bit harder also. Loan products have minimum loan amounts. We do have investors that can use them on some properties in order to be able to purchase more but not all. Which makes us a very good place for people that do have cash that are completely focused on returns. 

Post: Would you pay full retail for excellent cash flow?

Angela Harding
Posted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Toledo, OH
  • Posts 55
  • Votes 38

David... what a great post. I have seen how investor's here have gotten stuck at the bottom of the market prices. Yes, when we fell we took advantage of the market and did well but I can't expect to pay those prices anymore. We are still low here but I can't buy the same deals here I did two years ago and I'm not worried about it. I can still buy under market value and do the work to create both equity and cash flow however, I will not pass on a property where the money I put in just brings it up to market value and pass on a good cash flowing deal and a house that when we hit our higher cycle, I will be sitting where I can sell and take the cash or still sit and enjoy the cash flow. I never buy for appreciation, I call it a bonus. I've always bought when we hit bottom or while we were on on our way up. Your post was just amazing and well said. 

Post: New young investor from Toledo, Ohio.

Angela Harding
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  • Real Estate Broker
  • Toledo, OH
  • Posts 55
  • Votes 38

Hey Chris, I'm a big fan of the Sushi here around Toledo. 

My son started in real estate at 18 by working for me in my office. He got paid to learn. There are good ways to do that. He's 21 now and we have him all set up to start buying whenever he is ready. Worked to get his credit set up so when he is ready his first house can be a duplex where he rents one side and lives in one side. He took the knowledge he has down to Tampa Florida and does leasing and marketing for a 400 unit apartment complex making twice what he could make here doing the same thing. It's wise that you are thinking a couple years ahead of time. Make your list of goals and what you are going to do to accomplish them. There are a lot of good people here to learn with. There are also a lot of people who claim to be the gurus around here and they are not. They just take advantage of the out of state investors. So be careful who you learn from here. It's the quiet ones that are the gurus here. 

If you can make it tonight look me up. If the same people are doing sign in you can tell them I invited you and ask them who I am and they will point me out.

Post: Tenant Screening/Sex Offender

Angela Harding
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  • Real Estate Broker
  • Toledo, OH
  • Posts 55
  • Votes 38

Sarah, that is good advice. That is the first thing I think of when I look at a property near a school! When I ran the sex offender list in Toledo I was extremely shocked. In the long run, they only notify the neighbors once and you never know who will be moving in when you are in a high rental area. I had a neighbor by me on one of my own houses and that neighbor was so bad she caused me to move out. The entire block had a party when they foreclosed on her house. With neighbors and owning rentals sometimes you just never know what is going to happen. You just try to reduce your risk with everything you do before you buy it. Buying near a school can have benefits!

Post: 40 E-mails, 5 RSVP's, 0 Actually Show

Angela Harding
Posted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Toledo, OH
  • Posts 55
  • Votes 38

I am an absolute believer in taking an application fee. One, I make money from people who have wasted my time telling me a lie that they have never been evicted. Two, people have a stake in the game. Three, if you don't have $25 to pay for me to check you out I don't want you in my property. But don't think just because you don't charge a fee that you don't have to send an AAL letter. If you apply for a car loan and it doesn't go through, they still have to send you the reasons why you were denied. Anytime you pull a credit report and background check you have to send a letter if they don't qualify. 

Post: Would you pay full retail for excellent cash flow?

Angela Harding
Posted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Toledo, OH
  • Posts 55
  • Votes 38

I'm so glad I joined biggerpockets. I love the experience I see on here. I'm going to add and take a little bit from everyone and say there is a happy medium to buying at retail. One thing I agree that I read over and over was all about due diligence. Have those inspections done, know what you are looking at. Make sure those financial reports have some proof to back them up also. How often do the units turn over or are they long term tenants? What is the maintenance history and actual maintenance costs? I have many people that buy close to retail because they have full time jobs and want to put their money into something that generates a return quickly or cash flow quickly. But they know what they are buying. Inspections are done, a history of work is presented and a certain warranty is given on the property. And they absolutely do not want to go looking through 20 properties, do estimates, lease units, over see contractors and wait it out for a month. Some of them can also acquire more properties because they finance and not have to come out of pocket so much. A lot of good advise here and like every deal, it all comes down to the deal and the property. 

Angela

Post: What would you do if you have 150k cash?

Angela Harding
Posted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Toledo, OH
  • Posts 55
  • Votes 38

Syed,

It depends on so many different factors. Do you have the ability to use good financing? Do you have other income coming in? The first thing I have to say is how I started. I turned one dollar into two dollars. It wasn't with real estate at first, it was with a small cleaning business I started. Same philosophy though. What I do now with real estate is take $30,000 and turn it into $50,000 buy buying and selling. Then I do it again. Every two properties I buy and sell creates cash for me to buy and hold one for cash flow. My strategy is cash flow. I personally don't like to finance any houses but I'm in area where I can buy so low compared to many. If I had to buy in a higher priced area I would do the same thing except use my "earned" funds for a down payment so I could acquire more and set them up to be paid off within 10 years with my cash flow. So back to the beginning, it depends on what other factors are in play, how much houses cost in your market, what the return on the investment is, what the cash flow is and also how much experience you have. 

I hope that gets you thinking a bit and heading in the right direction.

Angela

Post: How do you develop a network of real estate professionals?

Angela Harding
Posted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Toledo, OH
  • Posts 55
  • Votes 38

John,

I really recommend looking into getting your real estate license. The benefits are incredible starting out. The education is the best because it focuses on every area of real estate. I strongly recommend the Keller Williams educational resources also once you get your license. In fact, get Gary Keller's book that he wrote on investment years ago. It's old school but written by someone who's whole life is real estate investment and business. Even if you decide on not getting your license, the classes are worth taking. 

Book education is a good place to start. Reia's are another but be careful and find people that are truly doing well and not just talking about doing well. Just because they have the biggest sign on the wall doesn't mean they are the best. In fact, look for the quiet ones. One of the best educators i found years ago when I went to 7 real estate meetings a month, sat in the back and had grassed stained tennis shoes and a t-shirt on, with Levi jeans. He personally worked every aspect of the business including mowing grass so he knew what it took to take care of every house and every dime he spent. He's retired now. He's only 45 and did it in the worst market ever. I personally don't know who would want to retire from real estate, it is just too much fun. Don't be afraid to get your hands dirty and dig in to help someone else out on a deal. It's a great education. The best thing I've ever done was show up and tear off a roof, paint a house, clean a house .... you get my drift. It gives you a respect and understanding when you talk to contractors and build that team. 

It's exciting to see new people come into the field. All the resources you have compared to some of us that started in real estate is amazing. 

My final advise is to really look into people you meet as professionals. Look for reviews, BBB endorsements, and listen to your gut also. I wish I had people in Orlando to recommend to you but I only know good people in Miami and Tampa. 

We are actually studying an area in Tampa right now to invest into. When I come back down there can I look you up? Be happy to show you what we look for and how we research before we buy. 

Angela