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All Forum Posts by: Alain Perez-Majul

Alain Perez-Majul has started 42 posts and replied 374 times.

Wow. I am pleasantly surprised at the amount of feedback and participation from this thread. I'm happy to hear it's helped some of you guys who have had similar thoughts swimming around, and I appreciate the feedback from those who are past that stage! Thank you to all who have taken the time to comment, especially in detail with a ton of value :)

Originally posted by @Joe Villeneuve:
Originally posted by @Alain Perez-Majul:
Originally posted by @Joe Villeneuve:
Originally posted by @Jenny Li:

@Joe Villeneuve I was thinking of the same thing that equity is sitting there doing nothing. I recently refi-ed Rental#1 that has some equity on it, took cash out to down pay another house which will be Rental #2. Now Rental#2 is also rented. This is my baby step to scale. Hope it works out as I planned.

You're using the BRRRR method...which sounds good, but has limits to it, and you really aren't using your equity when you refi. Your equity is still in the original property and is being used as collateral for the refi loan. If it was the same money, you wouldn't have to pay for it again. There's a better way.

 Joe, can you explain what you meant here? In regards to equity, how do you bypass the down payment?

 Where did I say, "bypass the down payment"?

Sorry, you didn't. Poorly worded on my end, perhaps. Essentially what I was asking is, in the event someone is getting an 80% LTV loan, requiring a 20% down payment on the behalf of the borrower, how does that borrower, who is putting down that equity to act as the collateral for the refi, not put equity in place? Maybe I misunderstood what you meant?

Originally posted by @Nathan Faucett:

This is such an interesting conversation because it sort of relates to my other hobbies - Tabletop Board Games.

In some styles of games, you build an "engine" - something that generates a resource for you so that you can go and build your engine bigger so you can create even more resources. However, at some point in the game, in order to win, you have to stop focusing on your "engine" and start thinking about the game winning criteria - "victory points". However, other players or just the game itself can "attack" you and if you can't withstand the "attack", then you can lose your engine that you have worked so hard to build.

In the Real Estate Investing World:

Engine = Cash flowing rentals that allow you to generate capital and equity

Victory Points = Cash that can be used however you wish

Attack = Any expenses, whether seen or unforeseen

It's a bit of an oversimplification, but it helps me understand how I should function. I want be prepared for unforeseen expenses and circumstances so that I can mitigate risk, but I should do what I can do build my portfolio, so that when the day comes when I just want to use my cash, I can :)

It's all a balancing act.

 This was my angle with my original post :)

Wanted to hear how different investors "play their game" and how they approach their strategy to "win."

Originally posted by @Joe Villeneuve:
Originally posted by @Jenny Li:

@Joe Villeneuve I was thinking of the same thing that equity is sitting there doing nothing. I recently refi-ed Rental#1 that has some equity on it, took cash out to down pay another house which will be Rental #2. Now Rental#2 is also rented. This is my baby step to scale. Hope it works out as I planned.

You're using the BRRRR method...which sounds good, but has limits to it, and you really aren't using your equity when you refi. Your equity is still in the original property and is being used as collateral for the refi loan. If it was the same money, you wouldn't have to pay for it again. There's a better way.

 Joe, can you explain what you meant here? In regards to equity, how do you bypass the down payment?

@Jenny Li That's awesome, Jenny, good luck! With the current environment, I have no doubt rates were favorable for you, so like you said, hope everything goes as planned!

Originally posted by @Joe Villeneuve:
Originally posted by @Sherry Byrne:

@Bjorn Ahlblad age definitely plays a part in this. I, too, have acquired all the properties I want. And I own most of them outright. But they do keep me busy.

I wish more was written on this topic...best way to escape the hampster wheel after scaling up and owning all the RE you want to a more passive income.

 It's just a system...with a plan laid out with numbers with "$" in front of them that define criteria during the specific timeline in that plan.  Then you just execute specific strategies in specific micro markets that will deliver the number$ you require.

Simple.

There are no individual properties, just a series of them connected by this plan, where every decision you make is based on how the exit (your cash) from one property leads specifically to the entrance of the next...and so on. Each step (property/deal) you execute will most likely involve different markets and strategies, because the criteria from the plan's timeline will be different...an REI isn't a one size fits all system.

Keep your cash moving forward (verb), and only keep it locked up (equity) long enough for it to make "friends", and move forward again.  Each time it moves forward, it grows exponentially.  When it remains a "noun" (lazy money), it loses money for you, and will eat away at what you think you've already made.  I bet you thought "cash" was a noun.  If it becomes one, you lose.

 Ugh, this hit home. I've been sitting on some cash for a couple of years without pulling the trigger, and it's been giving me (irrational?) anxiety haha

Originally posted by @Sherry Byrne:

@Bjorn Ahlblad age definitely plays a part in this. I, too, have acquired all the properties I want. And I own most of them outright. But they do keep me busy.

I wish more was written on this topic...best way to escape the hampster wheel after scaling up and owning all the RE you want to a more passive income.

 Might be very elementary and simple for a lot of seasoned investors, but I really enjoyed reading George Antone's "The Wealthy Code," "The Debt Millionaire," and "The Banker's Code" (of importance, IMO, in that order) and got a decent amount out of them. Maybe check them out!

Originally posted by @Alexandre Marques dos Santos:

@Joe Villeneuve

What if properties do not gain value over time? That happened in hot markets due to grown inventory. Add a bit of recession and have the rental pushed to lower, or vacancy growing...

Thats not just math.

Risk tolerance is key. And peace of mind has some value.

Personally I have 7 properties in The Woodlands, Tx area. All paid off. Now i am starting to put some leverage, starting by getting some mortgage on my own house. I wanna add 20% loan/80% cash. Will increase slowly. My goal is to have equity and in 15 years no debt, being able to have 25k/month of free cash flow and live well

 Great points! I think you brought up something that is important. Not only is risk tolerance a factor, and will vary from investor to investor, but also the investor's ultimate goal. Perhaps for someone else, where you're at now with 7 paid off properties (assuming your primary as well) that are spitting monthly income (whatever amount that might be; assuming it is less than the $25k a month you'd like to reach), that is more than enough for them and they would be happy with that. On the other hand, you'd like to get to $25k a month... and maybe another investor decides that for them, they "need"/want $50k of passive to reach their intended goal and live well. It's great that it's so subjective!

Originally posted by @Joe Villeneuve:
Originally posted by @Alain Perez-Majul:

@Joe Villeneuve yup, makes sense. Moreover, those scenarios don't take into account the tax advantages of the debt. I think the only way to compare those scenarios apple-to-apples would be Option A and Option 2B, as it's taking into account the same amount of cash being invested, and one can look at the opportunity cost of one vs the other. Undoubtedly 2B seems beneficial- however, those are still loose numbers for the sake of example, and might not be as accurate when it comes to comparing the differences of cash flow from one option to the other. I would say it is in that difference (let's say, for example, you're only cash flowing $50-$100 per door, arguably a slim margin) that one can better assess the risk of life events (whether your own, the tenants', or a combination of both) and how they affect your investment(s) as a whole.

Those numbers are based on actual properties...I didn't just pull them out of the air to make a point.  If the property cash flowed $50-100/month I would touch them.

 I think you meant "wouldn't," but yes, I agree!

@Joe Villeneuve yup, makes sense. Moreover, those scenarios don't take into account the tax advantages of the debt. I think the only way to compare those scenarios apple-to-apples would be Option A and Option 2B, as it's taking into account the same amount of cash being invested, and one can look at the opportunity cost of one vs the other. Undoubtedly 2B seems beneficial- however, those are still loose numbers for the sake of example, and might not be as accurate when it comes to comparing the differences of cash flow from one option to the other. I would say it is in that difference (let's say, for example, you're only cash flowing $50-$100 per door, arguably a slim margin) that one can better assess the risk of life events (whether your own, the tenants', or a combination of both) and how they affect your investment(s) as a whole.