New OOS Investor looking for a Trustworthy Turnkey Company

New OOS Investor looking for a Trustworthy Turnkey Company

Investor · Pearl City, HI · Member since 2017 · 30 posts · 10 votes

Hi Everyone!

First off I want to thank everyone on BP for being incredibly supportive! I've mostly been browsing the forums and binge watching the podcasts, but  the few people that I've already reached out to have been really great! As a new investor the wealth of knowledge on this site is invaluable! So I figure why not tap into it and get some advice?

We are from Hawaii and are looking to find investment properties that provide passive income.  After research we were attracted to Dallas, Houston, Kansas City, Memphis, Ohio, and possibly Utah. I've contacted Memphis Invest, AREI, USREEB, Midsouth Homebuyers, Ohio Cashflow, Norada, and we're waiting to speak with Morris Invest. I'm kind of at a point of analysis paralysis...with our work schedules, the distance, and a toddler I don't think we can visit any of these sites in the near future. We want to focus on cash flow first but wouldn't mind appreciation as a added benefit. I'm anxious to start but also nervous about who to trust with our hard earned money. 

I would really appreciate everyone's insight and experiences with these areas and turnkey companies (or your own recommendations) Are we too late to invest in Dallas or Houston?

Would also like to connect with other Hawaii investors!

Eventually I would love to own properties in CA, and the east cost...possibly abroad!

Wishing everyone continued success on their path to passive income and financial freedom!

@Joshua D. & @Brandon Turner - Keep the podcasts coming, LOVE THEM!

Evelyn

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Specialist · Orange County, CA · Member since 2008 · 2k+ posts · 623 votes
9y

@Evelyn Kop -- Welcome to BiggerPockets.

I'm glad to see you are taking your time and doing some research and due diligence. My first rule of my 10 rules of successful real estate investing is "educate yourself". Knowledge is the new Currency. You will reduce risk and go further by building your knowledge.

I see that you had a reasonably detailed conversation with Michael on a Sunday morning. That's dedication. It's important for you to know where you stand and where you want to go. That leads to your roadmap. Then you can define your criteria and let the criteria drive your investment decisions in terms of the market, neighborhoods, property type, cash flow or return requirements, etc.

Be cautious of some property providers who will try to sell you properties that look great on paper, but are in poor or lower-income neighborhoods where are your tenant issues and turnovers might be greater than better properties in better locations. There are many things to consider, so be sure that you have an advisor or counselor looking out for your best interest.

It's also strongly advisable  that your counselor be completely agnostic; meeting they are not married to any one market or provider, or property manager, or lender, or any other service provider. Otherwise there is often a strong tendency to provide biased advice or suggestions.

I could go on, but I'll let you ask more questions.  Also, consider downloading our free e-book, "The Ultimate Guide to Passive Real Estate Investing".

P.S.  Why would you be thinking about only properties in California or the East Coast? That's a discussion you may want to have with Michael, me or anyone on our team. In most cases that's not investing.

Continued success!

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  • Rental Property Investor · Rockwall, TX · Member since 2017 · 87 posts · 49 votes
    9y

    Aloha!

    I wouldn't say it's "too late" for Dallas or Houston. But Dallas at least is a pretty tight market. AREI has a nice operation going here. Class 'A' properties running $100,000 + with no rents < $1,200/month. The biggest problem with investing anywhere in Texas is property taxes. We have no state income tax so we fund our schools and other government services mainly with a combination of property taxes and sales taxes. That can make it really tough to cash flow. 

    I haven't invested with any of these companies yet, but you have a good list there. Also take a look at American Wealth Builders. They are doing most of their business in Ohio; mainly Columbus and Cleveland.

    Good luck!

  • Specialist · Orange County, CA · Member since 2008 · 2k+ posts · 623 votes
    9y

    @Evelyn Kop -- Welcome to BiggerPockets.

    I'm glad to see you are taking your time and doing some research and due diligence. My first rule of my 10 rules of successful real estate investing is "educate yourself". Knowledge is the new Currency. You will reduce risk and go further by building your knowledge.

    I see that you had a reasonably detailed conversation with Michael on a Sunday morning. That's dedication. It's important for you to know where you stand and where you want to go. That leads to your roadmap. Then you can define your criteria and let the criteria drive your investment decisions in terms of the market, neighborhoods, property type, cash flow or return requirements, etc.

    Be cautious of some property providers who will try to sell you properties that look great on paper, but are in poor or lower-income neighborhoods where are your tenant issues and turnovers might be greater than better properties in better locations. There are many things to consider, so be sure that you have an advisor or counselor looking out for your best interest.

    It's also strongly advisable  that your counselor be completely agnostic; meeting they are not married to any one market or provider, or property manager, or lender, or any other service provider. Otherwise there is often a strong tendency to provide biased advice or suggestions.

    I could go on, but I'll let you ask more questions.  Also, consider downloading our free e-book, "The Ultimate Guide to Passive Real Estate Investing".

    P.S.  Why would you be thinking about only properties in California or the East Coast? That's a discussion you may want to have with Michael, me or anyone on our team. In most cases that's not investing.

    Continued success!

  • Rental Property Investor · Mansfield, OH · Member since 2017 · 151 posts · 117 votes
    9y

    Check out Tom Ott in Cleveland if you want to look at Ohio. I've been with the same Turnkey company for the past 3 years in Indianapolis with good cashflow and last year appreciated 16%. I have 7 SFH's in Indianapolis and 1 in Charlotte. The company has over 2000 homes under management and also has opertors in Dallas and Kansas City. PM me if you'd like to discuss more.

  • Engelo RumoraBusiness Member
    Investor · Toledo, OH · Member since 2013 · 4k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    9y
    Originally posted by @Evelyn Kop:

    Hi Everyone!

    First off I want to thank everyone on BP for being incredibly supportive! I've mostly been browsing the forums and binge watching the podcasts, but  the few people that I've already reached out to have been really great! As a new investor the wealth of knowledge on this site is invaluable! So I figure why not tap into it and get some advice?

    We are from Hawaii and are looking to find investment properties that provide passive income.  After research we were attracted to Dallas, Houston, Kansas City, Memphis, Ohio, and possibly Utah. I've contacted Memphis Invest, AREI, USREEB, Midsouth Homebuyers, Ohio Cashflow, Norada, and we're waiting to speak with Morris Invest. I'm kind of at a point of analysis paralysis...with our work schedules, the distance, and a toddler I don't think we can visit any of these sites in the near future. We want to focus on cash flow first but wouldn't mind appreciation as a added benefit. I'm anxious to start but also nervous about who to trust with our hard earned money. 

    I would really appreciate everyone's insight and experiences with these areas and turnkey companies (or your own recommendations) Are we too late to invest in Dallas or Houston?

    Would also like to connect with other Hawaii investors!

    Eventually I would love to own properties in CA, and the east cost...possibly abroad!

    Wishing everyone continued success on their path to passive income and financial freedom!

    @Joshua D. & @Brandon Turner - Keep the podcasts coming, LOVE THEM!

    Evelyn

    Thanks for the mention Evelyn,

    There is little to know appreciation in our market so I don't suggesting investing here unless you're looking for pure cashflow in solid B class areas.

    Much success

  • Realtor · Cleveland, OH · Member since 2015 · 2k+ posts · 857 votes
    9y
    Originally posted by @Engelo Rumora:
    Originally posted by @Evelyn Kop:

    Hi Everyone!

    First off I want to thank everyone on BP for being incredibly supportive! I've mostly been browsing the forums and binge watching the podcasts, but  the few people that I've already reached out to have been really great! As a new investor the wealth of knowledge on this site is invaluable! So I figure why not tap into it and get some advice?

    We are from Hawaii and are looking to find investment properties that provide passive income.  After research we were attracted to Dallas, Houston, Kansas City, Memphis, Ohio, and possibly Utah. I've contacted Memphis Invest, AREI, USREEB, Midsouth Homebuyers, Ohio Cashflow, Norada, and we're waiting to speak with Morris Invest. I'm kind of at a point of analysis paralysis...with our work schedules, the distance, and a toddler I don't think we can visit any of these sites in the near future. We want to focus on cash flow first but wouldn't mind appreciation as a added benefit. I'm anxious to start but also nervous about who to trust with our hard earned money. 

    I would really appreciate everyone's insight and experiences with these areas and turnkey companies (or your own recommendations) Are we too late to invest in Dallas or Houston?

    Would also like to connect with other Hawaii investors!

    Eventually I would love to own properties in CA, and the east cost...possibly abroad!

    Wishing everyone continued success on their path to passive income and financial freedom!

    @Joshua D. & @Brandon Turner - Keep the podcasts coming, LOVE THEM!

    Evelyn

    Thanks for the mention Evelyn,

    There is little to know appreciation in our market so I don't suggesting investing here unless you're looking for pure cashflow in solid B class areas.

    Much success

    It's all about that passive income for us Aussies. Making money while we sleep.Go Cavs

  • Investor · Mount Bethel, PA · Member since 2013 · 45 posts · 29 votes
    9y

    The first one is the hardest. As Martin Luther King said "You don't have to see the whole staircase, just take the first step." If it helps any I just used Norada for property #6 and was very happy. As for which area, that is a personal decision but for me it's all about low taxes so I stayed away from Texas.

  • Rental Property Investor · Shawnee Mission, KS · Member since 2016 · 58 posts · 52 votes
    9y

    @Evelyn Kop -  I am a mostly buy and hold investor in Kansas City, I would be happy to help  if you need an un-biased 3rd party opinion on things.  My average house here costs me ~$60,000 and my average rent is ~$850-900.  If you are willing to find the deal yourself, maybe with a little boots on the ground help and then turn it over to a PM I think you might find some better deals.  You also will not be locked into one property manager.  I PM'd you my cell number.  Feel free to give me a call, I can also help you out a bit with areas etc.

    -Ian

  • Investor · Pearl City, HI · Member since 2017 · 30 posts · 10 votes
    9y

    Thanks for all the responses everyone!

    @Mark Whitted - Would you recommend Houston over Dallas? Or vice versa? Will definitely take a look at American Wealth Builders, thanks for the recommendation!

    @Marco Santarelli - I am trying to do my due diligence but my fear is that we'll be "duped" into buying a property that looks good on paper but are in rough neighborhoods.  I'm struggling to figure out how to ensure whoever we end up working with has MY best interest in mind... I do understand it is a business, and really want this to be a win win for everyone involved...just scared to be left holding the short end of the stick and being too far away to do much about it. 

    I am looking at properties everywhere, my longer term goals are California, East Coast, and abroad.....to be honest I was thinking of the tax benefits of having properties in those places because they are places I like to visit....maybe naive on my part...right now I want to find a one or a few trusted advisors/providers to purchase cash flowing properties to grow our passive income and portfolio. 

    @Hank Keller - Thanks for the recommendation, I will PM you!

    @Engelo Rumora - To our favorite Australian! Appreciation is a secondary benefit for us, our primary goal right now is cash flow.  We are still interested in Ohio, however I think our hang up would be that we would want to finance our first few properties while I believe you work mostly with cash investors.  I would love to work with you in the future when we have more capital built up!

    @Federico Gutierrez - Making money while I sleep sounds FABULOUS!

    @Roxanna Pifer- Thanks for the response! I'm trying to build up the courage to take the plunge! May I ask where property #1-5 were and who you used? Also where you ended up purchasing #6? Glad you were Happy with Norada, that is good to hear!

    @Ian Reeves - Thanks for the message, I look forward to speaking with you!

  • Engelo RumoraBusiness Member
    Investor · Toledo, OH · Member since 2013 · 4k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    9y
    Originally posted by @Evelyn Kop:

    Thanks for all the responses everyone!

    @Mark Whitted - Would you recommend Houston over Dallas? Or vice versa? Will definitely take a look at American Wealth Builders, thanks for the recommendation!

    @Marco Santarelli - I am trying to do my due diligence but my fear is that we'll be "duped" into buying a property that looks good on paper but are in rough neighborhoods.  I'm struggling to figure out how to ensure whoever we end up working with has MY best interest in mind... I do understand it is a business, and really want this to be a win win for everyone involved...just scared to be left holding the short end of the stick and being too far away to do much about it. 

    I am looking at properties everywhere, my longer term goals are California, East Coast, and abroad.....to be honest I was thinking of the tax benefits of having properties in those places because they are places I like to visit....maybe naive on my part...right now I want to find a one or a few trusted advisors/providers to purchase cash flowing properties to grow our passive income and portfolio. 

    @Hank Keller - Thanks for the recommendation, I will PM you!

    @Engelo Rumora - To our favorite Australian! Appreciation is a secondary benefit for us, our primary goal right now is cash flow.  We are still interested in Ohio, however I think our hang up would be that we would want to finance our first few properties while I believe you work mostly with cash investors.  I would love to work with you in the future when we have more capital built up!

    @Federico Gutierrez - Making money while I sleep sounds FABULOUS!

    @Roxanna Pifer- Thanks for the response! I'm trying to build up the courage to take the plunge! May I ask where property #1-5 were and who you used? Also where you ended up purchasing #6? Glad you were Happy with Norada, that is good to hear!

    @Ian Reeves - Thanks for the message, I look forward to speaking with you!

    Thanks Evelyn :)

    Much success

  • Katy, TX · Member since 2016 · 34 posts · 20 votes
    9y

    hey message me and i'll tell you some good rental subdivisions here in houston 

  • Specialist · Orange County, CA · Member since 2008 · 2k+ posts · 623 votes
    9y
    Originally posted by @Evelyn Kop:
        

    @Marco Santarelli - I am trying to do my due diligence but my fear is that we'll be "duped" into buying a property that looks good on paper but are in rough neighborhoods.  I'm struggling to figure out how to ensure whoever we end up working with has MY best interest in mind... I do understand it is a business, and really want this to be a win win for everyone involved...just scared to be left holding the short end of the stick and being too far away to do much about it. 

    I am looking at properties everywhere, my longer term goals are California, East Coast, and abroad.....to be honest I was thinking of the tax benefits of having properties in those places because they are places I like to visit....maybe naive on my part...right now I want to find a one or a few trusted advisors/providers to purchase cash flowing properties to grow our passive income and portfolio.

    Hi Evelyn -- those are legitimate concerns.  No one wants to be duped.  With the right guidance from the right team of people with with and for you, you will make the right decisions based on facts and logic.  Not opinions and pro-formas.

    That's the reason we spend time getting to know you and understand your investing goals, risk tolerance, and investment criteria.  Those factors help guide you into the right investments.  Doing it any other way leads to stress and the wrong properties for you.

    Last but not least, don't mix up markets where you want to visit as areas that make good investments. They often don't.  The tax deduction is not a good reason.  You'll get tax deductions from any property you buy so focus on the best opportunities.

    There's more to say, but I hope that helps you for now.

    Continued success!

  • Livermore, CA · Member since 2016 · 44 posts · 13 votes
    9y
    Check out Kathy Fettke at Real Wealth Network. They have a pretty extensive vetting process for turnkey companies.
  • Mililani, HI · Member since 2017 · 3 posts · 0 votes
    9y

    Wow. Funny I came across this thread since I'm in the same boat. I live in Mililani, HI and have been looking at investing out of state as well. Still researching but looking for multifamily apartments instead of SFH.

    Goodluck on your journey. 

  • Investor · Mount Bethel, PA · Member since 2013 · 45 posts · 29 votes
    9y

    No problem Evelyn 4 of my 6 are in Pennsylvania between Philadelphia and NYC. This is only because this is where I live and I was able to get good deals. The market has risen around here (yay, equity) but now the numbers don't make a lot of sense. Taxes are around $2,200 a year on a $85k sfh....too much imo. There are still some deals but I don't have the time to hunt them down and fix them up. All of my local units are under property management. House #3 we bought (new construction) in Myrtle Beach, SC. This will hopefully be our retirement home someday but right now it is making us nice money. You are correct about the tax deduction. We can go down about once a year to check on our team and use it as a write off (check with your accountant). House #6 is in Birmingham, AL and this is where I plan on buying more for right now. Good luck! 

  • Specialist · Orange County, CA · Member since 2008 · 2k+ posts · 623 votes
    9y

    Hey @Dan Tsunekawa -- I'm not sure if we were speaking to you or another Dan, but the few, and better, turnkey promoters have good vetting processes.   The other important part of that equation is their history with their turnkey promoters.  Most of our builders and rehabbers within each market are long-term multi-year relationships.  That history carries a lot of weight and should not be discounted or overlooked.

    Continued success! 

  • Investor · Pearl City, HI · Member since 2017 · 30 posts · 10 votes
    9y

    @Jacob Smith, thanks I would appreciate any insight! Just sent PM. 

    @Marco Santarelli Thanks for the advice! 

    @Dan Tsunekawa - Just found Real Wealth Network, have you worked with them?

    @Jason Eala- Nice to meet you! Would love to keep in touch to hear about your journey and who you decide to work with! Wishing you all the best!

    @Roxanna Pifer-Thanks for the info, and congrats on the equity! Would love to get my retirement home paid for and making me money!

    Thanks everyone for all of the responses! Wishing everyone continued success and awesome deals! We're still researching, problem is that everyone sounds great....LOL. Sigh...I have been trying to analyze deals to train myself to spot the good ones...so much to learn!

  • Rental Property Investor · SF Bay Area, CA · Member since 2014 · 352 posts · 543 votes
    9y

    I may get some flack for saying this.   I think a bit of analysis paralysis is good for a new investor in this current market when looking at TK providers.

    When I first started REI in late 2013, I only worked with TK providers and bought as fast as I could because I knew the recession was coming to a close and the great deals were diminishing rapidly.

    NOw, we are in a completely different market, we have a different president....(not saying one way or not) and there is uncertainty ahead along with LONG overdue for recession.

    So I think waiting to look at a ton of properties offered by a TK provider to see what  their average offering is, learn the local market, and only put in offers at the BEST 10% of what they are offering (those deals you will end up losing because someone else will grab them.   Sometimes that is one of the ways you know it was a good deal- not always).    

    As a new investor, it's impossible to know everything so you need as much "insurance" or cushion so that if the rehab was not as good as promised or you have much less cash flow than expected (due to capex or maintenance or unexpected vacancies), you can rest easy that you still got a good deal.

    Lastly, as a new investor you probably don't have much cash or leverage to buy more than 2-3 deals at once so don't rush.   Also, don't feel the rush to buy if you lose a few deals because you moved too slowly and someone else grabbed the deal.

  • Investor · Denver, CO · Member since 2015 · 49 posts · 24 votes
    9y

    Another guy/company to check out is Mike D'arrigo (pinnacle inc) I think , he's pretty active on these forms does a lot in Indy and KC .

    Also Brie Schmidt  and turnkey -reviews

    She has a lot of stuff in Milwaukee

    Good cash flow up there you see some crazy nos (good)

    Remember a lot of these homes are very old

    Lots of work 

     Good luck 

  • James WachobBusiness Member
    Real Estate Broker · Memphis, TN · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 890 votes
    9y

    @Evelyn Kop The key is to find a great team! Ideally you would find a company that has everything under one roof. Acquisitions team, renovation crews (fully licensed and insured), Property Management, and a Real Estate Investment Brokerage in case you ever decide to sell.

    By teaming up with a solid firm you can mitigate your risk and have some "boots on the ground" that have your best interest in mind. 

  • Investor · Pearl City, HI · Member since 2017 · 30 posts · 10 votes
    9y

    @Joe Kim - Thanks for the advice! One day I'm at a total analysis paralysis and next I'm in the OH NO the deals are disappearing I have to get them fast! Trying to reel in all of the emotion and make sure we get our due diligence done so I'm not up all night worrying about it since we are so far away! 

    @John Collins - Thanks, I'll check them out! Do you have any turnkeys in Milwaukee? or anywhere?

    @James Wachob - I totally agree. So far everyone seems like a good team...so how to choose?

    Also on a side note, for a first time OOS investor, is it better to get your feel wet with a turnkey company rather than trying to just find a realtor or search foreclosures to get a better deal on the sale?

  • Equity Raiser and Turnkey Provider · Cleveland, OH · Member since 2016 · 4k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    9y
    Originally posted by @Evelyn Kop:

    Hi Everyone!

    First off I want to thank everyone on BP for being incredibly supportive! I've mostly been browsing the forums and binge watching the podcasts, but  the few people that I've already reached out to have been really great! As a new investor the wealth of knowledge on this site is invaluable! So I figure why not tap into it and get some advice?

    We are from Hawaii and are looking to find investment properties that provide passive income.  After research we were attracted to Dallas, Houston, Kansas City, Memphis, Ohio, and possibly Utah. I've contacted Memphis Invest, AREI, USREEB, Midsouth Homebuyers, Ohio Cashflow, Norada, and we're waiting to speak with Morris Invest. I'm kind of at a point of analysis paralysis...with our work schedules, the distance, and a toddler I don't think we can visit any of these sites in the near future. We want to focus on cash flow first but wouldn't mind appreciation as a added benefit. I'm anxious to start but also nervous about who to trust with our hard earned money. 

    I would really appreciate everyone's insight and experiences with these areas and turnkey companies (or your own recommendations) Are we too late to invest in Dallas or Houston?

    Would also like to connect with other Hawaii investors!

    Eventually I would love to own properties in CA, and the east cost...possibly abroad!

    Wishing everyone continued success on their path to passive income and financial freedom!

    @Joshua D. & @Brandon Turner - Keep the podcasts coming, LOVE THEM!

    Evelyn

    Looking for a Turnkey company worth your time can be difficult. There are many companies out there that just use the word "turnkey" to describe a property they found on the MLS that looks good. That is NOT a turnkey. A Turnkey is a specific investment. The provider should, own, renovate, and manage the property all in house.

    Please feel free to look at:

    What to Ask When Working With a Turnkey Provider

    and

    How to Find the Right Turnkey Real Estate Investment Company for You

  • James WachobBusiness Member
    Real Estate Broker · Memphis, TN · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 890 votes
    9y

    @Evelyn Kop Ideally you would fly to town and meet the investor you plan to work with. If you are not able to do so, then a video conference would be the 2nd best option. I'd also dig deep into their resume. How long have they been in business? What kind of success have they had? Do they have every aspect needed to serve you under one roof? The company you choose should offer acquisitions, renovation (by licensed and insured contractors) Property Management, and they should be a licensed Real Estate Broker. 

    Each investor has a different strategy, and its important that who you choose to work with is not trying to steer you in any one direction. Some investors prefer TurnKey and others are interested in the BRRRR strategy or Brand New Homes. By working with a local investor who offers all of the above, you will have the ability to choose which strategy best fits your needs.

  • Investor · Pearl City, HI · Member since 2017 · 30 posts · 10 votes
    9y

    @Tom Ott-Thanks, I'll check out those links!

    @James Wachob - I do want to take a trip to meet the company and see the area...however when I can do that...I'm not too sure. I'm guessing it won't be before we want to purchase either...but you are right about the due diligence! I will definitely be digging into these companies pasts!

  • Contractor · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2015 · 887 posts · 323 votes
    9y
    Evelyn Kop welcome! Good luck on your search and good job in taking the time to find out who's who. Best, Jorge
  • Investor · Pearl City, HI · Member since 2017 · 30 posts · 10 votes
    9y

    @Account Closed- Thanks!

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