Our BRRRR in Richmond VA with Before & After Photos

Our BRRRR in Richmond VA with Before & After Photos

Real Estate Agent · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2015 · 53 posts · 62 votes

Hello BP!

I wanted to share our latest "buy and hold" deal with you. It was a short sale with some twists and turns, but in the end, a success. 

I actually found this one on Zillow, which is rare because everything on Zillow is usually a retail deal. This was a 4 bedroom 2 bath 1,728 square foot SFR, listed as a short sale for $130,000. And it was UGLY.

It was "Real Estate 101" though. The worst house on the nicest block. It was also at the end of a cul de sac with a nature preserve next door to give it some privacy. It was in a good neighborhood and a great school district. Thanks to the BP podcast, I know that the school district is very important when choosing a rental property. Even if the tenants you end up with don't have kids, good school districts attract better tenants. Period. 

It took two months to get an accepted offer from the bank at $115,000. The elderly lady that owned the house wasn't in great health, and her adult aged grandsons who had been living with her had nearly killed her. They were constantly in trouble, and cops were a regular fixture outside her window. She knew, the only way to get rid of these heathens, was to sell the house. 

The bank, at the last minute, wanted us to close in 20 days instead of the agreed upon 30. Luckily we have amazing escrow and title people, and they rushed to get it done. Finally, we were ready to close and we only needed one more signature from the owner, who was now in the hospital on her death bed! Her real estate agent didn't think she was going to make it. Which was terrible, in and of itself. But also, if she had died before signing, the deal would have been dead as well. Luckily, she recovered just in time and signed the contract. We had a deal, and she was feeling much better now that the stress of this house (and her criminal grandsons) was off her shoulders. The very last thing we needed to do was to record the sale at the county courthouse. That day, there was a bomb threat. The courthouse was on lock down and there was nothing we could do. Finally, after 7 long hours, they cleared the building and our title guy was able to successfully record the sale. 

These things happen in real estate...

Financing

We used private money purchase this property and only had to come out of pocket $26,533. We will refinance in one year to a traditional 30 year fixed loan and pay off the private money lender. Our cash flow will increase by $150 a month after the refinance. 

Renovations 

Renovations cost us $22,000 and took 3 weeks. I decided on this one, since the outside was so ugly, to compensate with much nicer finishings on the inside. This house would normally rent for about $1300 a month. But with our choice of laminate hardwood floors and stainless steel appliances, we have a signed lease in just one week for $1,595 a month! It cost us an extra $5,000 or so to go with the nicer floors over carpet, and stainless steel appliances over the cheap ones. But I credit those expenses with the great tenants we found, and in record time. I would consider this project a big success! Time to find another house... to hold. Thanks for reading!!!

Here's the numbers:

Purchase Price: $115,000.00

Purchase Closing Costs: $2,533.00

Repair Costs: $22,000.00

Total Cost of Project: $141,533.00

After Repair Value $178,000.00

Down Payment: $0.00 (we just paid the repair, points, and closing costs out of pocket)

Loan Amount: $115,000.00

Loan Points: $2,000

Private Money Loan Interest Rate: 7.000%

Monthly Income: $1,595.00

Vacancy $63.80 (4%) 

Repairs $15.95 (1%)

CapEx $15.95 (1%)

Insurance $48.00 (3%)

Management $127.60 (8%) 

P&I $670.83 (42%)

Property Taxes $113.50 (7%)

Total Monthly Expenses: $1,055.63

Monthly Cash Flow: $539.37

NOI: $14,522.40

Total Cash Needed: $26,533.00 

Cash on Cash ROI: 24.39%

Purchase Cap Rate: 12.63%

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Rental Property Investor · Bath, ME · Member since 2014 · 220 posts · 288 votes
9y

Exactly @Ryan K..  $9,570 over 25 years, which will not cover the new roof, HVAC, appliances, plumbing & electrical repairs, and several carpet replacements and paint jobs.  If this is a true buy-and-hold, you want to set aside a reserve that covers repairs and capex indefinitely.  For my multis, we usually figure about 10% of gross income, but you might figure more with a single family since it doesn't benefit from the same economies of scale enjoyed by multis.

Also, if you're hiring third-party management, 4% for vacancy probably won't cut it.  The market vacancy might be 4%, but you must also factor the tenant placement fee into your vacancy cost.  Even if you're self-managing, 4% vacancy is just 14.6 days out of 365.  Single family tenants do tend to stay longer, but if you're underwriting the deal at 4%, you're not giving yourself much breathing room!

And not to pile on, but I don't see an expense item for landscaping.  You've done a great job with it, and I assume you'll want to keep it that way?  Not a huge cost, but a cost non-the-less.

I think that the longer you hold this property, the thinner you'll find your actual margins to be.  If you can get $178k for it, I think it's a nice flip.

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  • Investor · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2016 · 577 posts · 240 votes
    9y

    Great project. Love it. 

    We have been doing a lot of these BRRR Projects as well but we normally spend just $3-5k on the repairs. We have never spent over $10k on a repair, but that could just be because that is not what the market demanded. You always want to make sure to match the market!

  • Real Estate Investor · Palm Beach County, FL · Member since 2017 · 3k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    9y

    Great job Brett. Do you anticipate that you'll be able to get all of your initial money (the $26,533) back out of the deal when you cash out refinance? Any particular reason you're choosing to wait one year to do that instead of 6 months? I'm planning on utilizing the BRRRR strategy as well. A single family home cash flowing $540/month on $142k total investment is an awesome deal.

  • Investor · Norfolk, VA · Member since 2014 · 125 posts · 19 votes
    9y

    Nice!  

  • Rental Property Investor · Bath, ME · Member since 2014 · 220 posts · 288 votes
    9y
    1% capex and repairs seems light even for a newly renovated property. How did you come up with these figures?
  • Real Estate Agent · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2015 · 53 posts · 62 votes
    9y
    Thanks Brian G. We are waiting one year to refi out because that was our agreement with the lender. We do expect to have almost all of our cash out when we refi and the cash flow to go up $100-$150 a month. Depending on the interest rate a year from now. Thank you Stacy E. Mike Roy These are the cap ex and repair numbers I use from experience in this market. Perhaps your cap ex and repairs would be higher due to the winters in Boston? We are strict on budgeting and so far so good.
  • Investor · Richmond, VA · Member since 2015 · 139 posts · 43 votes
    9y

    Looks good, I like the look of the place!

    But are you sure about 1% for each of repairs and Capex? That's only $382 for an entire year for items.

  • Real Estate Agent · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2015 · 53 posts · 62 votes
    9y

    Thanks @Ryan K. See my answer to this above in response to Mike Roy. 1% does seem low, and maybe I should make it higher, but we have inspected the cap ex items (roof, HVAC, foundation, etc.) during the purchase process and this is where I have the reserves set. Feel free to set your cap ex and repairs numbers to where you feel comfortable. Cheers!

  • Rental Property Investor · Bath, ME · Member since 2014 · 220 posts · 288 votes
    9y

    Exactly @Ryan K..  $9,570 over 25 years, which will not cover the new roof, HVAC, appliances, plumbing & electrical repairs, and several carpet replacements and paint jobs.  If this is a true buy-and-hold, you want to set aside a reserve that covers repairs and capex indefinitely.  For my multis, we usually figure about 10% of gross income, but you might figure more with a single family since it doesn't benefit from the same economies of scale enjoyed by multis.

    Also, if you're hiring third-party management, 4% for vacancy probably won't cut it.  The market vacancy might be 4%, but you must also factor the tenant placement fee into your vacancy cost.  Even if you're self-managing, 4% vacancy is just 14.6 days out of 365.  Single family tenants do tend to stay longer, but if you're underwriting the deal at 4%, you're not giving yourself much breathing room!

    And not to pile on, but I don't see an expense item for landscaping.  You've done a great job with it, and I assume you'll want to keep it that way?  Not a huge cost, but a cost non-the-less.

    I think that the longer you hold this property, the thinner you'll find your actual margins to be.  If you can get $178k for it, I think it's a nice flip.

  • Real Estate Agent · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2015 · 53 posts · 62 votes
    9y

    Thanks @Mike Roy I should consult you in the future on how to manage my properties. 

    Tenant pays for their own landscaping. Property manager is solid and we treat them well. We buy in great areas so the vacancy is 4%. 1% is where I have my cap ex set.

  • Investor · Richmond, VA · Member since 2016 · 164 posts · 114 votes
    9y

    This is a really inspiring deal to see. @Brett Alphin I really appreciate the detailed breakdown - it gives someone like me who is currently still saving for their next deal some encouragement that it can be done. I'm from Richmond, VA originally, but am living in New York currently, so I've felt limited to browsing Zillow, etc. to see what the lay of the land is. Again, very inspiring and tasteful work here. I hope you'd be receptive to me reaching out for some guidance down the road. Best wishes from New York!

  • Homeowner · Sacramento, CA · Member since 2016 · 15 posts · 2 votes
    9y

    Congrats @Brett Alphin, the place looks great!

  • Surveyor · Hemet, CA · Member since 2015 · 797 posts · 112 votes
    9y

    If I came up with cash for this deal like this house and price and paid cash for it and the repairs. After the expenses what do you think it would clear? Just was curious I am not very good at math and wanted to ask you thank you! Great deal you found here!

  • Real Estate Agent · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2015 · 53 posts · 62 votes
    9y

    I'm sorry @Robin Boyer Do you mean for a flip? 

  • Surveyor · Hemet, CA · Member since 2015 · 797 posts · 112 votes
    9y

    No what  would one cash flow with your renter in it but I bought the house cash paid repairs cash. We are getting ready to do a 1031 exchange and thinking about doing something like this. What do you recommend. Thanks 

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    Rental Property Investor · Tucson AZ / Nice FR / Washington DC · Member since 2016 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    9y

    @Brett Alphin

    Looks nice and good find!

    Your Vacancy, Repairs, CapEx need to get much higher, more like 10%,10%,10% would be safer IMO, one month vacancy by itself in a given year is 8%, and 1k in repairs in a year is 5%.

  • Real Estate Agent · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2015 · 53 posts · 62 votes
    9y

    @Robin Boyer If you were to do a deal like this using all cash, the math would look like this:

    Total Rent Income Per Month

    Minus Expenses (management, taxes, insurance, cap ex, vacancy, repairs etc.)

    = Your Monthly Cash Flow 

    Good Luck!

  • Surveyor · Hemet, CA · Member since 2015 · 797 posts · 112 votes
    9y

    Thank you I was told last night when you refinance you should always put some in that house to bring up the equity does that make sense? Or just use it for next purchases.

  • Stafford, VA · Member since 2012 · 24 posts · 4 votes
    9y

    @Brett Alphin, 

    Great success story. Inspiring to read. A couple questions for you. I see you're from LA. I'm from LA also and just recently moved to VA (Military stationed at Quantico). Are you investing from out of state or are you here? I ask because I'm interested in knowing how you go about finding these properties while being out on the west coast? I want to start my investment portfolio in the Richmond area because I'm within driving distance and the properties are in my price range compared to anything North of Fredricksburg.

    Can you recommend a good GC, wholesaler, and maybe a investor-friendly realtor that knows the area?

  • Professional · Milwaukee, WI · Member since 2017 · 17 posts · 5 votes
    9y

    Good buy and hold and it looks like it is in a stable area were home prices don't fluctuate. You mentioned that is was a short sale, I am pretty good at negotiating short sale deals with the lender, try this strategy for it often times will get me the lowest price possible. Ask the bank the next time you go for a short sales this question (WHAT IS THE LOWEST YOUR INVESTOR WILL GO IN PRICE FOR THE PROPERTY) the reason I do this is because their are almost always an investor that backs the property and they usually have the last say so on the property. I always use this method. Try it out and see if you can get the price down a little bit more remember short-sales are about creating equity. Great job! and I love short-sales!

  • Real Estate Agent · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2015 · 53 posts · 62 votes
    9y
    Thanks for the tip James Braggs I have never heard of asking that question. I will give it a try on the next one. Anthony Dominguez I do live in LA and invest out of state. I have built a team in Richmond that helps us find the deals, renovate, rent, and manage them. Message me here on BP and I will send you some recommendations. Good Luck!
  • Professional · Milwaukee, WI · Member since 2017 · 17 posts · 5 votes
    9y

    You never heard of it because a lot of people  don't understand how money or mortgage is created that's a whole other story. The lenders you are talking to about the short-sale of property sometimes are acting in the capacity of only serving the mortgage the true owner would be the NOTE holder(investor),that is were the payment for the loan will go to. So that is why I said all ways ask that question because the investor(NOTE HOLDER) will give the lender the go ahead on the price of the property, this is how I get the best possible price for my short-sales. I guess I should have explained that a little earlier. 

  • Rental Property Investor · Richmond, VA · Member since 2015 · 128 posts · 25 votes
    9y

    The house looks great, but I tend to agree with @Mike Roy There's a good possibility you might get caught with your pants down at some point unless you put more money/month away for CapEx. If you plan on selling in 5 years, you may be fine, but once you get around to 7-10 years you will have some issues.

  • Ashburn, VA · Member since 2017 · 85 posts · 28 votes
    9y
    Originally posted by @James Braggs:

    You never heard of it because a lot of people  don't understand how money or mortgage is created that's a whole other story. The lenders you are talking to about the short-sale of property sometimes are acting in the capacity of only serving the mortgage the true owner would be the NOTE holder(investor),that is were the payment for the loan will go to. So that is why I said all ways ask that question because the investor(NOTE HOLDER) will give the lender the go ahead on the price of the property, this is how I get the best possible price for my short-sales. I guess I should have explained that a little earlier. 

     Thats a great tip James. Once you get a number, do you bid under, or at that asking price?

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