How out of town investors can be protected with Contractor?

How out of town investors can be protected with Contractor?

Toronto, Ontario · Member since 2014 · 95 posts · 23 votes

Hello fellow investors! 

I  live in Toronto and I am investing In Cleveland in the past few years . 

flipping houses, that are  mainly sold as turnkey. I did about 8 flips so for. so  not a ton of experience but not a newbie...

I establish over time a nice  local team as we all know is needed.

few month ago, my main   local partner/contractor  failed me. 

18,000$ first draw of renovation was taken and job was not done.

he was very fair with money before, so I  can only guess , he got into trouble with other deals and tried to solve it using my funds. 

the next contractor I hired ,was recommended by my local relator.  he did few projects for her before.  he was honest and professional with her. that makes me feel much better.

when he heard the story , learn the amount I  paid, and saw what was done in the house, he seems to take it almost personally : "I am so  sick of local contractors that do that! it paint us all in a bad light!  how can someone do such a thing that and hurt their integrity and reputation??"

few weeks later, he did the same thing. I lost close to 30k on both contractors on that single house. 

my two cents here: 

A Clearly the fact you worked with a contractor for a while, and all was good does not mean your next project is "safe"

B  often out of state investors are seen as "easy prey" and great relationship they had with a local does not mean an out of state  will get the same treatment..

I am asking you, the experienced out of town  investors that works with a local contractors:

What Am I missing ? How do you do that? 

since most serious busy contractors ask for money upfront , how do you reduce the risk? 

Thanks so much!

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Real Estate Broker · Cleveland Dayton Cincinnati Toledo Columbus & Akron, OH · Member since 2013 · 31k+ posts · 20k+ votes
4y

You need to go with a contract who has a large business. One that is well known and has a large supply of employees, vehicles and assets. These 1 guy and a truck contractors are fly by night and have nothing to lose. A chuck in a truck can just move on to the next one after burning you. It'd be pretty hard for a company who's got millions in infrastructure to continue business as usual after burning people, know what I mean?

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  • Real Estate Broker · Cleveland Dayton Cincinnati Toledo Columbus & Akron, OH · Member since 2013 · 31k+ posts · 20k+ votes
    4y

    You need to go with a contract who has a large business. One that is well known and has a large supply of employees, vehicles and assets. These 1 guy and a truck contractors are fly by night and have nothing to lose. A chuck in a truck can just move on to the next one after burning you. It'd be pretty hard for a company who's got millions in infrastructure to continue business as usual after burning people, know what I mean?

  • Real Estate Consultant · Seattle, WA · Member since 2022 · 1k+ posts · 784 votes
    4y

    What @James Wise said. Vet your contractors better. A guy with a pickup truck and two on call laborers is not your go-to even if they give an estimate that is half of what a reputable contractor would charge.

  • Real Estate Agent · Cleveland, OH · Member since 2020 · 280 posts · 365 votes
    4y

    Hi @Itay Heled,

    In addition to what has been offered here, I think it's important to prioritize quality over price. Many times people are sucked in by someone who offers what seems to be the lowest price. I'm not saying that more expensive is always better, and I don't want to assume that this is what has happened to you. However, we do have to consider the fact that you normally have to pay for quality. In the long run, if the project takes forever or has to be done over there are no savings.

    I also recommend that my clients get someone else who is not working on the project to keep eyes on it regularly to confirm what they are being told by the contractors. Even the good ones. It's worth every penny to know what's going on with your investment in real time. If you don't know anyone who can help you in this way, let me know. I will make an introduction for you. 

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  • Rental Property Investor · Columbus, OH · Member since 2017 · 3k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    4y
    Quote from @Itay Heled:

    Hello fellow investors! 

    I  live in Toronto and I am investing In Cleveland in the past few years . 

    flipping houses, that are  mainly sold as turnkey. I did about 8 flips so for. so  not a ton of experience but not a newbie...

    I establish over time a nice  local team as we all know is needed.

    few month ago, my main   local partner/contractor  failed me. 

    18,000$ first draw of renovation was taken and job was not done.

    he was very fair with money before, so I  can only guess , he got into trouble with other deals and tried to solve it using my funds. 

    the next contractor I hired ,was recommended by my local relator.  he did few projects for her before.  he was honest and professional with her. that makes me feel much better.

    when he heard the story , learn the amount I  paid, and saw what was done in the house, he seems to take it almost personally : "I am so  sick of local contractors that do that! it paint us all in a bad light!  how can someone do such a thing that and hurt their integrity and reputation??"

    few weeks later, he did the same thing. I lost close to 30k on both contractors on that single house. 

    my two cents here: 

    A Clearly the fact you worked with a contractor for a while, and all was good does not mean your next project is "safe"

    B  often out of state investors are seen as "easy prey" and great relationship they had with a local does not mean an out of state  will get the same treatment..

    I am asking you, the experienced out of town  investors that works with a local contractors:

    What Am I missing ? How do you do that? 

    since most serious busy contractors ask for money upfront , how do you reduce the risk? 

    Thanks so much!


     Even being local, I will not pay my contractors until I see that things are done. I like to write out a contract that clearly states when they will get paid/how much and the time line of the project. Sometimes it is hard to have them sign the contract but when they do it works so much better. When they ask for more money, I refer back to the contract. It also saves me so that if they ever do run off I have a contract signed. I made the mistake of not doing this and I lost $7,000, I learned my lesson.

  • Salt Lake City · Member since 2021 · 42 posts · 18 votes
    4y

    This is just now happening to me. Would love to hop on a call to swap stories and see if there’s anyway we can help each other

  • Salt Lake City · Member since 2021 · 42 posts · 18 votes
    4y
    Quote from @Steven Foster Wilson:
    Quote from @Itay Heled:

    Hello fellow investors! 

    I  live in Toronto and I am investing In Cleveland in the past few years . 

    flipping houses, that are  mainly sold as turnkey. I did about 8 flips so for. so  not a ton of experience but not a newbie...

    I establish over time a nice  local team as we all know is needed.

    few month ago, my main   local partner/contractor  failed me. 

    18,000$ first draw of renovation was taken and job was not done.

    he was very fair with money before, so I  can only guess , he got into trouble with other deals and tried to solve it using my funds. 

    the next contractor I hired ,was recommended by my local relator.  he did few projects for her before.  he was honest and professional with her. that makes me feel much better.

    when he heard the story , learn the amount I  paid, and saw what was done in the house, he seems to take it almost personally : "I am so  sick of local contractors that do that! it paint us all in a bad light!  how can someone do such a thing that and hurt their integrity and reputation??"

    few weeks later, he did the same thing. I lost close to 30k on both contractors on that single house. 

    my two cents here: 

    A Clearly the fact you worked with a contractor for a while, and all was good does not mean your next project is "safe"

    B  often out of state investors are seen as "easy prey" and great relationship they had with a local does not mean an out of state  will get the same treatment..

    I am asking you, the experienced out of town  investors that works with a local contractors:

    What Am I missing ? How do you do that? 

    since most serious busy contractors ask for money upfront , how do you reduce the risk? 

    Thanks so much!


     Even being local, I will not pay my contractors until I see that things are done. I like to write out a contract that clearly states when they will get paid/how much and the time line of the project. Sometimes it is hard to have them sign the contract but when they do it works so much better. When they ask for more money, I refer back to the contract. It also saves me so that if they ever do run off I have a contract signed. I made the mistake of not doing this and I lost $7,000, I learned my lesson.


     Would you be willing to share a copy of your contract? 

  • Lender · OH · Member since 2022 · 113 posts · 77 votes
    4y

    Hey, Itay!  What has helped me is finding a big name and reputable contractor.  Definitely using this forum helps a ton on recommendations in the area.  

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