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Ahmed Elias
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Is Negative Cash on Cash ROI considered a good investment ?

Ahmed Elias
  • Edison, NJ
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Hi BP Community 

I am a newbie investor and trying to invest in the Mid West with the hope to generate positive cash flow. Since this is my first investment I am trying to play it a little safe. My concern is that I am getting a negative Cash on Cash ROI when estimating 20% down. I also think that I maybe a little too conservative with my numbers - Below is what I have so far and I was hoping if I someone could guide me in the right direction - This is a house in the Greater Indianapolis Area. Also please do let me know if there is anything I am missing. Thanks in advance :) 

Asking Price: 170,000

  
Unity Type Square feet Rent Monthly Yearly
1 3bed/1bath $ 1,300.00 $ 1,300.00 $ 15,600.00
Monthly  Yearly
Gross Rental Income $ 1,300.00 $ 15,600.00
Other Income
Vaccancy loss $ 109.20 $ 1,310.40
Total Operating Income $ 1,190.80 $ 14,289.60
Expenses


Insurance (Hazard) Normal $ 70.83 $ 850.00
Landscape Maintenance $ 33.80 $ 405.60
Maintenance Handyman $ 65.00 $ 780.00
Manager Salary/Management fee $ 130.00 $ 1,560.00
Miscellaneous Expenses $ 26.00 $ 312.00
Reserves $ 80.50 $ 966.00
Supplies (maintenance) $ 26.00 $ 312.00
Taxes (Property) $ 198.33 $ 2,380.00



Total Operating Expenses $ 630.47 $ 7,565.60
% of Operating Expenses to Income 53%
Net Operating Income $ 560.33 $ 6,724.00
Financing
Purchase Price $ 170,000.00
Down Payment 20% $ 34,000.00
Loan Amount $ 136,000.00
Interest Rate 5.0%
Term of Loan 30
Settlement Fees
Origination fee (Title, Title Insurance and Deed Processing Fee) $ 1,632.00
Discount fee
Closing Costs and Misc Fees
$ 680.00
Total Cash Outlay $ 36,312.00
The Loan
Monthly Loan Payment (Principlal + Interest) $ 730.00
Monthly Payment (PITI) $ 999.24
Investment Analysis - Settlement fees paid by buyer which is me
Cash Outlay (Down Payment + Settlement Fees) $ 36,312.00


Total Operating Income $ 1,190.80 $ 14,289.60
Less: Total Operating Expenses $ 630.47 $ 7,565.60
Net Operating Income $ 560.33 $ 6,724.00
Less: Monthly Loan Payment (Principal & Interest) $ 730.00 $ 8,760.00
Cash Flow (Monthly Loan Payment - Net operating income                                                                                                                    $ (169.67) $(2,036.00)  
Cash on Cash ROI (Cash flow/Total Cash Outlay) -5.6070%
Investment Analysis - Settlement Fees added into loan amount
Cash Outlay (Down Payment + Settlement/Closing Fees)  $ 36,312.00
Monthly Yearly
Total Operating Income $ 1,190.80 $ 14,289.60
Less: Total Operating Expenses $ 630.47 $ 7,565.60
Net Operating Income $ 560.33 $ 6,724.00
Less: Loan Payment (Principal & Interest) $ 742.41 $ 8,908.92
Cash Flow $ (182.08) $ (2,184.92)
Cash on Cash ROI (Cash flow/Total Cash Outlay) -6.0171%
Cap Rate (NOI/Purchase Price) 3.9553%
   

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Joe Villeneuve
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Joe Villeneuve
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Multiple choice Question:  Why would you buy a rental property, with negative cash flow?

Answers:  

A - To help the tenant pay for their rental expenses
B - To have to find a different source of income (investment) to cover the negative income on this property...but you have no money now, or in the foreseeable future, to invest with.
C - To rationalize that the property will be gaining in appreciation faster than you are losing cash per year.
D - To put yourself in a "cash poor" situation, and making that situation worse by the month.
E - To put yourself in a position where if you are in need of cash, you can always borrow the money, and as a result of the negative cash flow, need an added source of income to pay off that new debt.
F - All of the above.

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