If You Never Want To Hear About Columbus In the Forums Again, Reply Here

[Jonathan Greene]

Do you feel continuously assaulted by the Columbus Mafia on BiggerPockets?

If any newbie utters the word Columbus, Midwest, or Ohio, the entire brokerage descends upon the forums with post after post. It's absolute madness. I believe this behavior also goes over the DMs.

In the beginning, it was funny. Now, it is spammy. If you read the majority of the replies by the Columbus Mafia, it's only about Columbus or the general area. Some of the responders know more than others, but some are just complete spammers. It's a strategy.

I've been answering questions on BiggerPockets for 10 years and never once asked for business or DM'd for business. People find me because I answer questions, sometimes about the area, most of the time about investing. If we built a spreadsheet of the overall responses from the Mafia and how many were veiled attempts at business, I would bet it is close to 80 percent.

I know I am not the only one annoyed every day, so please post your thoughts here so BiggerPockets can review them.

I do know someone who bought multiple properties with a former Mafia member and the properties are still performing so this isn't a referenda on how good the agents are. I have not personally worked with them. What this is about is the constant and unabashed spam sham on every post that mentions anything even close to Ohio. Like maybe just round robin it, bros. Watching you all post after each other is embarrassing.

[Jonathan Greene]

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Insane the amount of people upset about someone just advertising themselves/market. Oh yeah it gets annoying for sure, but hey, this post was made just to talk about Columbus? Hey doesn't sound like bad press to me!

Spectating is the best side to be on here, lol. I wish y'all the best in your head to head!

This is a terrible attitude about it. What happens is that new investors come in looking for someone who knows something, investors who know something, investors who invest themselves...but sometimes what they get is alleged investor-friendly agents who don't invest and don't work with investors much, but know other agents who do. So they use broad strokes to entice new people to talk to them, but they don't have the knowledge or expertise to do the job. The forums are not for advertising yourself or marketing, that is against the terms. They are for adding value and helping other people.

This is everything that this original post is about, but Cincinnati. Look at what the poster is asking for (invest anywhere in the US) and look at the response which is definitely considered self-promotion in the forum. It was a fair response until the last sentence about shooting him a message. This explains what is wrong. Stop asking for business and earn it.

 This is earning it. It isn't asking for business, it is reaching out to someone to earn their business. 

My question for you is why are you so upset about someone asking about connecting and trying to see if my market fits their needs?

If you are asking for business, you aren't earning it. It's online begging. Your sales record isn't terrible over the past two years, 13 sales. That's pretty good. You don't need to ask someone to connect and see if it's a fit. You need to provide an answer to their question without a connection request. I'm sure you DMd and you should not. But, you also have no online reviews from those 13 transactions - so what does that tell you? Either you are bad at follow-up with your clients and forget about them after closing or you don't think it's important. But the first place people will look is your Zillow profile.

 I normally don't request my clients leave me a review on BiggerPockets, I do it via my team. Close or no close, I call every one of my leads, closed or not, every 2 months to see how they are doing. And those 13 are this year so far, it doesn't seem like I have updated that recently enough. So to answer if I am bad at follow up or don't care about my clients, the answer is neither, thank you

I was talking about Zillow, not BiggerPockets. You have 13 closed sales and no reviews on Zillow. So, those 13 clients weren't impressed enough (or reminded) to write a review on the most public buyer site out there.

And no, they are not all this year. Zillow updates automatically now because it is tied to the MLS. You can't update them.

Look, you clearly are clueless about this, but not about real estate since you have sales. But you are like the new generation of real estate investors who only like pats on the back and can't take any criticism. You look worse every time you answer me so it would be best for your business to stop.

Two things come to mind when I read your response:

1. The Key and Peele Substitute Teacher skit where Mr. Garvey says "Oh, I see. You want to play?" If you keep responding, you will keep digging yourself a bigger hole. If you are up for that, let's go.

2. When an NBA player makes the too little sign after dunking on someone. This will keep happening. Stop yourself. Your post in the other forum was flagged and was grabby. Do better.

[Michael P.]

[Jonathan Greene]

Here is the recording of me and @Remington Lyman discussing the issue like two fully grown adults.

https://fathom.video/share/MNscSw4vQsx65fmzexEsuTDk7CJB5QLU?...

[Michael P.]

Those notes are AI generated??

[Remington Lyman]

Quote from @Michael P.:

Those notes are AI generated??

Yeah, it's amazing software. I purchased the subscription after my free trial ended. I think it's under $150 per year. Definitely worth it, especially when working with not-for-profits.

[Michael P.]

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Those notes are AI generated??

Yeah, it's amazing software. I purchased the subscription after my free trial ended. I think it's under $150 per year. Definitely worth it, especially when working with not-for-profits.

🤯

[V.G Jason]

Let's not drag some agent's name through the mud on here. This cat is just trying, he's not spamming. There's a fine line, and you need to respect that.

He isn't begging for business, he's putting himself out there. You're calling him out for something small, yet yelling at true spam behavior. You're going to get it twisted and try to control too much behavior. Think the puck stops with you trying to be some form of leader on here.

Self proclaimed "Zen" of Real Estate, give me a fat ****ing break. 

You're not, and need to learn to keep it trim. You're not the only one here that is on here for the enjoyment of it; I got no service to sell or product to push or to ask for. I'm on here cause I've gotten deep in the game and enjoy this. Don't push your narrative and chip at away at some young dude trying to make it, go ahead and push back on the one's that suffocate.

Is his post cringy? Sure. Is your post bullying? Absolutely. Be careful, you're going to learn that bullies get bullied too. "Zen" wannabe, you ain't pushing out no calmness your air is turning filthy. Too much of a control freak. 

[Michael P.]

I’m picking up some animosity toward  @James Wise

[V.G Jason]

Quote from @Michael P.:

I’m picking up some animosity toward  @James Wise

 No, my message was for the Zen and Art of Real Estate Investing not James. James keeps it real, almost as real as me.

[Sam McCormack]

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Insane the amount of people upset about someone just advertising themselves/market. Oh yeah it gets annoying for sure, but hey, this post was made just to talk about Columbus? Hey doesn't sound like bad press to me!

Spectating is the best side to be on here, lol. I wish y'all the best in your head to head!

This is a terrible attitude about it. What happens is that new investors come in looking for someone who knows something, investors who know something, investors who invest themselves...but sometimes what they get is alleged investor-friendly agents who don't invest and don't work with investors much, but know other agents who do. So they use broad strokes to entice new people to talk to them, but they don't have the knowledge or expertise to do the job. The forums are not for advertising yourself or marketing, that is against the terms. They are for adding value and helping other people.

This is everything that this original post is about, but Cincinnati. Look at what the poster is asking for (invest anywhere in the US) and look at the response which is definitely considered self-promotion in the forum. It was a fair response until the last sentence about shooting him a message. This explains what is wrong. Stop asking for business and earn it.

 This is earning it. It isn't asking for business, it is reaching out to someone to earn their business. 

My question for you is why are you so upset about someone asking about connecting and trying to see if my market fits their needs?

If you are asking for business, you aren't earning it. It's online begging. Your sales record isn't terrible over the past two years, 13 sales. That's pretty good. You don't need to ask someone to connect and see if it's a fit. You need to provide an answer to their question without a connection request. I'm sure you DMd and you should not. But, you also have no online reviews from those 13 transactions - so what does that tell you? Either you are bad at follow-up with your clients and forget about them after closing or you don't think it's important. But the first place people will look is your Zillow profile.

 I normally don't request my clients leave me a review on BiggerPockets, I do it via my team. Close or no close, I call every one of my leads, closed or not, every 2 months to see how they are doing. And those 13 are this year so far, it doesn't seem like I have updated that recently enough. So to answer if I am bad at follow up or don't care about my clients, the answer is neither, thank you

I was talking about Zillow, not BiggerPockets. You have 13 closed sales and no reviews on Zillow. So, those 13 clients weren't impressed enough (or reminded) to write a review on the most public buyer site out there.

And no, they are not all this year. Zillow updates automatically now because it is tied to the MLS. You can't update them.

Look, you clearly are clueless about this, but not about real estate since you have sales. But you are like the new generation of real estate investors who only like pats on the back and can't take any criticism. You look worse every time you answer me so it would be best for your business to stop.

Two things come to mind when I read your response:

1. The Key and Peele Substitute Teacher skit where Mr. Garvey says "Oh, I see. You want to play?" If you keep responding, you will keep digging yourself a bigger hole. If you are up for that, let's go.

2. When an NBA player makes the too little sign after dunking on someone. This will keep happening. Stop yourself. Your post in the other forum was flagged and was grabby. Do better.

 Can you answer the message I sent you please? 

[V.G Jason]

Quote from @Sam McCormack:

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Quote from @Sam McCormack:

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Quote from @James Wise:

Quote from @Jonathan Greene:

Quote from @Sam McCormack:

Insane the amount of people upset about someone just advertising themselves/market. Oh yeah it gets annoying for sure, but hey, this post was made just to talk about Columbus? Hey doesn't sound like bad press to me!

Spectating is the best side to be on here, lol. I wish y'all the best in your head to head!

This is a terrible attitude about it. What happens is that new investors come in looking for someone who knows something, investors who know something, investors who invest themselves...but sometimes what they get is alleged investor-friendly agents who don't invest and don't work with investors much, but know other agents who do. So they use broad strokes to entice new people to talk to them, but they don't have the knowledge or expertise to do the job. The forums are not for advertising yourself or marketing, that is against the terms. They are for adding value and helping other people.

This is everything that this original post is about, but Cincinnati. Look at what the poster is asking for (invest anywhere in the US) and look at the response which is definitely considered self-promotion in the forum. It was a fair response until the last sentence about shooting him a message. This explains what is wrong. Stop asking for business and earn it.

 This is earning it. It isn't asking for business, it is reaching out to someone to earn their business. 

My question for you is why are you so upset about someone asking about connecting and trying to see if my market fits their needs?

If you are asking for business, you aren't earning it. It's online begging. Your sales record isn't terrible over the past two years, 13 sales. That's pretty good. You don't need to ask someone to connect and see if it's a fit. You need to provide an answer to their question without a connection request. I'm sure you DMd and you should not. But, you also have no online reviews from those 13 transactions - so what does that tell you? Either you are bad at follow-up with your clients and forget about them after closing or you don't think it's important. But the first place people will look is your Zillow profile.

 I normally don't request my clients leave me a review on BiggerPockets, I do it via my team. Close or no close, I call every one of my leads, closed or not, every 2 months to see how they are doing. And those 13 are this year so far, it doesn't seem like I have updated that recently enough. So to answer if I am bad at follow up or don't care about my clients, the answer is neither, thank you

I was talking about Zillow, not BiggerPockets. You have 13 closed sales and no reviews on Zillow. So, those 13 clients weren't impressed enough (or reminded) to write a review on the most public buyer site out there.

And no, they are not all this year. Zillow updates automatically now because it is tied to the MLS. You can't update them.

Look, you clearly are clueless about this, but not about real estate since you have sales. But you are like the new generation of real estate investors who only like pats on the back and can't take any criticism. You look worse every time you answer me so it would be best for your business to stop.

Two things come to mind when I read your response:

1. The Key and Peele Substitute Teacher skit where Mr. Garvey says "Oh, I see. You want to play?" If you keep responding, you will keep digging yourself a bigger hole. If you are up for that, let's go.

2. When an NBA player makes the too little sign after dunking on someone. This will keep happening. Stop yourself. Your post in the other forum was flagged and was grabby. Do better.

 Can you answer the message I sent you please? 

You're a kid. So take a lesson, from an elder.

Don't engage back, sometimes the most powerful instrument is silence. The world will go round and shape one's that push back. It always happens, maybe not today or tomorrow but it'll come. Trust me you don't go through no highs, without dealing with some lows. This dude is on a trip-- a power one thinking he's making a movement too. **** out of here with that thinking. 

Let him bark at you, just keep strolling by. Don't send him a message or engage in his ********. He thinks he's on top of something and degrading you, you don't give your time to folks that disrespect you. Give your time to the game. What you did is fine, it wasn't like the Columbus Cartel nonsense we see. Is it cringy, sure, but so is a lot of small elevator pitches. It is what it is. I ain't going to hate on it. 

[Sam McCormack]

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Quote from @Sam McCormack:

Quote from @Jonathan Greene:

Quote from @Sam McCormack:

Quote from @Jonathan Greene:

Quote from @Sam McCormack:

Quote from @Jonathan Greene:

Quote from @James Wise:

Quote from @Jonathan Greene:

Quote from @Sam McCormack:

Insane the amount of people upset about someone just advertising themselves/market. Oh yeah it gets annoying for sure, but hey, this post was made just to talk about Columbus? Hey doesn't sound like bad press to me!

Spectating is the best side to be on here, lol. I wish y'all the best in your head to head!

This is a terrible attitude about it. What happens is that new investors come in looking for someone who knows something, investors who know something, investors who invest themselves...but sometimes what they get is alleged investor-friendly agents who don't invest and don't work with investors much, but know other agents who do. So they use broad strokes to entice new people to talk to them, but they don't have the knowledge or expertise to do the job. The forums are not for advertising yourself or marketing, that is against the terms. They are for adding value and helping other people.

This is everything that this original post is about, but Cincinnati. Look at what the poster is asking for (invest anywhere in the US) and look at the response which is definitely considered self-promotion in the forum. It was a fair response until the last sentence about shooting him a message. This explains what is wrong. Stop asking for business and earn it.

 This is earning it. It isn't asking for business, it is reaching out to someone to earn their business. 

My question for you is why are you so upset about someone asking about connecting and trying to see if my market fits their needs?

If you are asking for business, you aren't earning it. It's online begging. Your sales record isn't terrible over the past two years, 13 sales. That's pretty good. You don't need to ask someone to connect and see if it's a fit. You need to provide an answer to their question without a connection request. I'm sure you DMd and you should not. But, you also have no online reviews from those 13 transactions - so what does that tell you? Either you are bad at follow-up with your clients and forget about them after closing or you don't think it's important. But the first place people will look is your Zillow profile.

 I normally don't request my clients leave me a review on BiggerPockets, I do it via my team. Close or no close, I call every one of my leads, closed or not, every 2 months to see how they are doing. And those 13 are this year so far, it doesn't seem like I have updated that recently enough. So to answer if I am bad at follow up or don't care about my clients, the answer is neither, thank you

I was talking about Zillow, not BiggerPockets. You have 13 closed sales and no reviews on Zillow. So, those 13 clients weren't impressed enough (or reminded) to write a review on the most public buyer site out there.

And no, they are not all this year. Zillow updates automatically now because it is tied to the MLS. You can't update them.

Look, you clearly are clueless about this, but not about real estate since you have sales. But you are like the new generation of real estate investors who only like pats on the back and can't take any criticism. You look worse every time you answer me so it would be best for your business to stop.

Two things come to mind when I read your response:

1. The Key and Peele Substitute Teacher skit where Mr. Garvey says "Oh, I see. You want to play?" If you keep responding, you will keep digging yourself a bigger hole. If you are up for that, let's go.

2. When an NBA player makes the too little sign after dunking on someone. This will keep happening. Stop yourself. Your post in the other forum was flagged and was grabby. Do better.

 Can you answer the message I sent you please? 

You're a kid. So take a lesson, from an elder.

Don't engage back, sometimes the most powerful instrument is silence. The world will go round and shape one's that push back. It always happens, maybe not today or tomorrow but it'll come.

Let him bark at you, just keep strolling by. Don't send him a message or engage in his ********. He thinks he's on top of something and degrading you, you don't give your time to folks that disrespect you. Give your time to the game. What you did is fine, it wasn't like the Columbus Cartel nonsense we see. Is it cringy, sure, but so is a lot of small elevator pitches. It is what it is. I ain't going to hate on it. 

 You're right, thank you

[Michael P.]

Quote from @V.G Jason:

Quote from @Michael P.:

I’m picking up some animosity toward  @James Wise

 No, my message was for the Zen and Art of Real Estate Investing not James. James keeps it real, almost as real as me.

 Sorry I meant from that meeting recording that was posted. 

[V.G Jason]

Quote from @Michael P.:

Quote from @V.G Jason:

Quote from @Michael P.:

I’m picking up some animosity toward  @James Wise

 No, my message was for the Zen and Art of Real Estate Investing not James. James keeps it real, almost as real as me.

 Sorry I meant from that meeting recording that was posted. 

 Says "like" more than a teenage girl. No ums and likes. 

[Michael P.]

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Insane the amount of people upset about someone just advertising themselves/market. Oh yeah it gets annoying for sure, but hey, this post was made just to talk about Columbus? Hey doesn't sound like bad press to me!

Spectating is the best side to be on here, lol. I wish y'all the best in your head to head!

This is a terrible attitude about it. What happens is that new investors come in looking for someone who knows something, investors who know something, investors who invest themselves...but sometimes what they get is alleged investor-friendly agents who don't invest and don't work with investors much, but know other agents who do. So they use broad strokes to entice new people to talk to them, but they don't have the knowledge or expertise to do the job. The forums are not for advertising yourself or marketing, that is against the terms. They are for adding value and helping other people.

This is everything that this original post is about, but Cincinnati. Look at what the poster is asking for (invest anywhere in the US) and look at the response which is definitely considered self-promotion in the forum. It was a fair response until the last sentence about shooting him a message. This explains what is wrong. Stop asking for business and earn it.

 This is earning it. It isn't asking for business, it is reaching out to someone to earn their business. 

My question for you is why are you so upset about someone asking about connecting and trying to see if my market fits their needs?

If you are asking for business, you aren't earning it. It's online begging. Your sales record isn't terrible over the past two years, 13 sales. That's pretty good. You don't need to ask someone to connect and see if it's a fit. You need to provide an answer to their question without a connection request. I'm sure you DMd and you should not. But, you also have no online reviews from those 13 transactions - so what does that tell you? Either you are bad at follow-up with your clients and forget about them after closing or you don't think it's important. But the first place people will look is your Zillow profile.

 I normally don't request my clients leave me a review on BiggerPockets, I do it via my team. Close or no close, I call every one of my leads, closed or not, every 2 months to see how they are doing. And those 13 are this year so far, it doesn't seem like I have updated that recently enough. So to answer if I am bad at follow up or don't care about my clients, the answer is neither, thank you

I was talking about Zillow, not BiggerPockets. You have 13 closed sales and no reviews on Zillow. So, those 13 clients weren't impressed enough (or reminded) to write a review on the most public buyer site out there.

And no, they are not all this year. Zillow updates automatically now because it is tied to the MLS. You can't update them.

Look, you clearly are clueless about this, but not about real estate since you have sales. But you are like the new generation of real estate investors who only like pats on the back and can't take any criticism. You look worse every time you answer me so it would be best for your business to stop.

Two things come to mind when I read your response:

1. The Key and Peele Substitute Teacher skit where Mr. Garvey says "Oh, I see. You want to play?" If you keep responding, you will keep digging yourself a bigger hole. If you are up for that, let's go.

2. When an NBA player makes the too little sign after dunking on someone. This will keep happening. Stop yourself. Your post in the other forum was flagged and was grabby. Do better.

 Can you answer the message I sent you please? 

You're a kid. So take a lesson, from an elder.

Don't engage back, sometimes the most powerful instrument is silence. The world will go round and shape one's that push back. It always happens, maybe not today or tomorrow but it'll come.

Let him bark at you, just keep strolling by. Don't send him a message or engage in his ********. He thinks he's on top of something and degrading you, you don't give your time to folks that disrespect you. Give your time to the game. What you did is fine, it wasn't like the Columbus Cartel nonsense we see. Is it cringy, sure, but so is a lot of small elevator pitches. It is what it is. I ain't going to hate on it. 

 You're right, thank you

 Agent McCormack has more Zen 😅

[James Wise]

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Quote from @Jonathan Greene:

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Quote from @James Wise:

Quote from @Jonathan Greene:

Quote from @Sam McCormack:

Insane the amount of people upset about someone just advertising themselves/market. Oh yeah it gets annoying for sure, but hey, this post was made just to talk about Columbus? Hey doesn't sound like bad press to me!

Spectating is the best side to be on here, lol. I wish y'all the best in your head to head!

This is a terrible attitude about it. What happens is that new investors come in looking for someone who knows something, investors who know something, investors who invest themselves...but sometimes what they get is alleged investor-friendly agents who don't invest and don't work with investors much, but know other agents who do. So they use broad strokes to entice new people to talk to them, but they don't have the knowledge or expertise to do the job. The forums are not for advertising yourself or marketing, that is against the terms. They are for adding value and helping other people.

This is everything that this original post is about, but Cincinnati. Look at what the poster is asking for (invest anywhere in the US) and look at the response which is definitely considered self-promotion in the forum. It was a fair response until the last sentence about shooting him a message. This explains what is wrong. Stop asking for business and earn it.

 This is earning it. It isn't asking for business, it is reaching out to someone to earn their business. 

My question for you is why are you so upset about someone asking about connecting and trying to see if my market fits their needs?

If you are asking for business, you aren't earning it. It's online begging. Your sales record isn't terrible over the past two years, 13 sales. That's pretty good. You don't need to ask someone to connect and see if it's a fit. You need to provide an answer to their question without a connection request. I'm sure you DMd and you should not. But, you also have no online reviews from those 13 transactions - so what does that tell you? Either you are bad at follow-up with your clients and forget about them after closing or you don't think it's important. But the first place people will look is your Zillow profile.

 I normally don't request my clients leave me a review on BiggerPockets, I do it via my team. Close or no close, I call every one of my leads, closed or not, every 2 months to see how they are doing. And those 13 are this year so far, it doesn't seem like I have updated that recently enough. So to answer if I am bad at follow up or don't care about my clients, the answer is neither, thank you

I was talking about Zillow, not BiggerPockets. You have 13 closed sales and no reviews on Zillow. So, those 13 clients weren't impressed enough (or reminded) to write a review on the most public buyer site out there.

And no, they are not all this year. Zillow updates automatically now because it is tied to the MLS. You can't update them.

Look, you clearly are clueless about this, but not about real estate since you have sales. But you are like the new generation of real estate investors who only like pats on the back and can't take any criticism. You look worse every time you answer me so it would be best for your business to stop.

Two things come to mind when I read your response:

1. The Key and Peele Substitute Teacher skit where Mr. Garvey says "Oh, I see. You want to play?" If you keep responding, you will keep digging yourself a bigger hole. If you are up for that, let's go.

2. When an NBA player makes the too little sign after dunking on someone. This will keep happening. Stop yourself. Your post in the other forum was flagged and was grabby. Do better.

 Can you answer the message I sent you please? 

You're a kid. So take a lesson, from an elder.

Don't engage back, sometimes the most powerful instrument is silence. The world will go round and shape one's that push back. It always happens, maybe not today or tomorrow but it'll come.

Let him bark at you, just keep strolling by. Don't send him a message or engage in his ********. He thinks he's on top of something and degrading you, you don't give your time to folks that disrespect you. Give your time to the game. What you did is fine, it wasn't like the Columbus Cartel nonsense we see. Is it cringy, sure, but so is a lot of small elevator pitches. It is what it is. I ain't going to hate on it. 

 You're right, thank you

 Agent McCormack has more Zen 😅

 I haven't watched the recording yet, I'll post again after I do. But the solution to this whole Spam argument is actually really simple.

@Scott Trench or whomever it is calling the shots on the forum laws are just chasing their tails with a moving goalpost of arbitrary rules that will always motivate people to try to skirt them.

Why? No other social platform does it. BP should simply remove the no advertising rule and setup an upvote / downvote system.

It's like any other platform, If your post provides value and positive feedback from the audience, it gets pushed to the top of the thread. If your post sucks and provides no value it gets shoved to the bottom and barley gets any views. Simple.

Those that have value to provide will be incentivised by the BP readers to have value in their posts so they can gain exposure. A self promotional pitch in a high value post does not reduce the value of the post. Likewise, a low value post, that doesn't technically break any of these ever changing rules, is still a low value post with out without whatever crosses the most recent line of self promotion.

The incentive to provide value will take care of itself. Simple.

[Michael P.]

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Insane the amount of people upset about someone just advertising themselves/market. Oh yeah it gets annoying for sure, but hey, this post was made just to talk about Columbus? Hey doesn't sound like bad press to me!

Spectating is the best side to be on here, lol. I wish y'all the best in your head to head!

This is a terrible attitude about it. What happens is that new investors come in looking for someone who knows something, investors who know something, investors who invest themselves...but sometimes what they get is alleged investor-friendly agents who don't invest and don't work with investors much, but know other agents who do. So they use broad strokes to entice new people to talk to them, but they don't have the knowledge or expertise to do the job. The forums are not for advertising yourself or marketing, that is against the terms. They are for adding value and helping other people.

This is everything that this original post is about, but Cincinnati. Look at what the poster is asking for (invest anywhere in the US) and look at the response which is definitely considered self-promotion in the forum. It was a fair response until the last sentence about shooting him a message. This explains what is wrong. Stop asking for business and earn it.

 This is earning it. It isn't asking for business, it is reaching out to someone to earn their business. 

My question for you is why are you so upset about someone asking about connecting and trying to see if my market fits their needs?

If you are asking for business, you aren't earning it. It's online begging. Your sales record isn't terrible over the past two years, 13 sales. That's pretty good. You don't need to ask someone to connect and see if it's a fit. You need to provide an answer to their question without a connection request. I'm sure you DMd and you should not. But, you also have no online reviews from those 13 transactions - so what does that tell you? Either you are bad at follow-up with your clients and forget about them after closing or you don't think it's important. But the first place people will look is your Zillow profile.

 I normally don't request my clients leave me a review on BiggerPockets, I do it via my team. Close or no close, I call every one of my leads, closed or not, every 2 months to see how they are doing. And those 13 are this year so far, it doesn't seem like I have updated that recently enough. So to answer if I am bad at follow up or don't care about my clients, the answer is neither, thank you

I was talking about Zillow, not BiggerPockets. You have 13 closed sales and no reviews on Zillow. So, those 13 clients weren't impressed enough (or reminded) to write a review on the most public buyer site out there.

And no, they are not all this year. Zillow updates automatically now because it is tied to the MLS. You can't update them.

Look, you clearly are clueless about this, but not about real estate since you have sales. But you are like the new generation of real estate investors who only like pats on the back and can't take any criticism. You look worse every time you answer me so it would be best for your business to stop.

Two things come to mind when I read your response:

1. The Key and Peele Substitute Teacher skit where Mr. Garvey says "Oh, I see. You want to play?" If you keep responding, you will keep digging yourself a bigger hole. If you are up for that, let's go.

2. When an NBA player makes the too little sign after dunking on someone. This will keep happening. Stop yourself. Your post in the other forum was flagged and was grabby. Do better.

 Can you answer the message I sent you please? 

You're a kid. So take a lesson, from an elder.

Don't engage back, sometimes the most powerful instrument is silence. The world will go round and shape one's that push back. It always happens, maybe not today or tomorrow but it'll come.

Let him bark at you, just keep strolling by. Don't send him a message or engage in his ********. He thinks he's on top of something and degrading you, you don't give your time to folks that disrespect you. Give your time to the game. What you did is fine, it wasn't like the Columbus Cartel nonsense we see. Is it cringy, sure, but so is a lot of small elevator pitches. It is what it is. I ain't going to hate on it. 

 You're right, thank you

 Agent McCormack has more Zen 😅

 I haven't watched the recording yet, I'll post again after I do. But the solution to this whole Spam argument is actually really simple.

@Scott Trench or whomever it is calling the shots on the forum laws are just chasing their tails with a moving goalpost of arbitrary rules that will always motivate people to try to skirt them.

Why? No other social platform does it. BP should simply remove the no advertising rule and setup an upvote / downvote system.

It's like any other platform, If your post provides value and positive feedback from the audience, it gets pushed to the top of the thread. If your post sucks and provides no value it gets shoved to the bottom and barley gets any views. Simple.

Those that have value to provide will be incentivised by the BP readers to have value in their posts so they can gain exposure. A self promotional pitch in a high value post does not reduce the value of the post. Likewise, a low value post, that doesn't technically break any of these ever changing rules, is still a low value post with out without whatever crosses the most recent line of self promotion.

The incentive to provide value will take care of itself. Simple.

 Wow you are Wise

[James Wise]

Quote from @Jonathan Greene:

Here is the recording of me and @Remington Lyman discussing the issue like two fully grown adults.

https://fathom.video/share/MNscSw4vQsx65fmzexEsuTDk7CJB5QLU?...

 After watching this Remi is a lot less unlikeable than I thought. Actually seem like a pretty intelligent guy. Which leads me to my point and some unsolicited feedback for you Remi. No agenda, I don't like helping out the competition either, so this is probably the one and only time I will do anything other than try to cut you off at the knees.

My honest assessment on you after your interview is that you should fire all 38 of your agents. You remind me of me running HoltonWise like 7 years ago. Dunno the number, but had 70-80 Agents working for me at one point or another. I was miserable, just like you sound. Agents can't be controlled. They run around doing stupid stuff and hurt your good name. Hell, I realized I don't even think I've personally had a bad experience with you, but I don't like you. Why? Cuz of all these 20 years old's running around hurting your brand. 

You sound like you are caught up in the Agent count trap that I was caught up in. As a Broker we get caught up in all the commission we can earn from them but in today's game, what are these dorks getting from us? 90%+? It ain't worth it brother. What can these 20 year old's really do for you other than give you an ulcer? I imagine most leads that come into Reafco are generated from the brand and passed out to the Agents. Or if they are not, the only reason your Agents are getting BP leads themselves is because you are limiting your own posting so you can let them have the ball so to speak. But you, me, and everyone else is aware you are better at it than they are anyway. 

So in summary you should do what I did and get rid of all of them and take control of your brand. You can hire hourly staff with bonus incentives to help you do your volume. This way you can control your brand. The day I went from having a ton of Agents to not having Agents was the greatest day in my career. Income took a small dip for like a year then went higher than it ever did with all the Agents who are really nothing more than a drag on a talented young Broker.

Anyways brother, that's my $.02, take it or leave it, but that's enough helping out the competition for me. I'll be going back to busting your balls and attempting to take away any shred of market share you have worked yourself into up in my neck of the woods.

[Michael P.]

Quote from @James Wise:

Quote from @Jonathan Greene:

Here is the recording of me and @Remington Lyman discussing the issue like two fully grown adults.

https://fathom.video/share/MNscSw4vQsx65fmzexEsuTDk7CJB5QLU?...

 After watching this Remi is a lot less unlikeable than I thought. Actually seem like a pretty intelligent guy. Which leads me to my point and some unsolicited feedback for you Remi. No agenda, I don't like helping out the competition either, so this is probably the one and only time I will do anything other than try to cut you off at the knees.

My honest assessment on you after your interview is that you should fire all 38 of your agents. You remind me of me running HoltonWise like 7 years ago. Dunno the number, but had 70-80 Agents working for me at one point or another. I was miserable, just like you sound. Agents can't be controlled. They run around doing stupid stuff and hurt your good name. Hell, I realized I don't even think I've personally had a bad experience with you, but I don't like you. Why? Cuz of all these 20 years old's running around hurting your brand. 

You sound like you are caught up in the Agent count trap that I was caught up in. As a Broker we get caught up in all the commission we can earn from them but in today's game, what are these dorks getting from us? 90%+? It ain't worth it brother. What can these 20 year old's really do for you other than give you an ulcer? I imagine most leads that come into Reafco are generated from the brand and passed out to the Agents. Or if they are not, the only reason your Agents are getting BP leads themselves is because you are limiting your own posting so you can let them have the ball so to speak. But you, me, and everyone else is aware you are better at it than they are anyway. 

So in summary you should do what I did and get rid of all of them and take control of your brand. You can hire hourly staff with bonus incentives to help you do your volume. This way you can control your brand. The day I went from having a ton of Agents to not having Agents was the greatest day in my career. Income took a small dip for like a year then went higher than it ever did with all the Agents who are really nothing more than a drag on a talented young Broker.

Anyways brother, that's my $.02, take it or leave it, but that's enough helping out the competition for me. I'll be going back to busting your balls and attempting to take away any shred of market share you have worked yourself into up in my neck of the woods.

 Not gonna lie, sounds like Wise advice.

[Sam McCormack]

Quote from @Michael P.:

Quote from @James Wise:

Quote from @Jonathan Greene:

Here is the recording of me and @Remington Lyman discussing the issue like two fully grown adults.

https://fathom.video/share/MNscSw4vQsx65fmzexEsuTDk7CJB5QLU?...

 After watching this Remi is a lot less unlikeable than I thought. Actually seem like a pretty intelligent guy. Which leads me to my point and some unsolicited feedback for you Remi. No agenda, I don't like helping out the competition either, so this is probably the one and only time I will do anything other than try to cut you off at the knees.

My honest assessment on you after your interview is that you should fire all 38 of your agents. You remind me of me running HoltonWise like 7 years ago. Dunno the number, but had 70-80 Agents working for me at one point or another. I was miserable, just like you sound. Agents can't be controlled. They run around doing stupid stuff and hurt your good name. Hell, I realized I don't even think I've personally had a bad experience with you, but I don't like you. Why? Cuz of all these 20 years old's running around hurting your brand. 

You sound like you are caught up in the Agent count trap that I was caught up in. As a Broker we get caught up in all the commission we can earn from them but in today's game, what are these dorks getting from us? 90%+? It ain't worth it brother. What can these 20 year old's really do for you other than give you an ulcer? I imagine most leads that come into Reafco are generated from the brand and passed out to the Agents. Or if they are not, the only reason your Agents are getting BP leads themselves is because you are limiting your own posting so you can let them have the ball so to speak. But you, me, and everyone else is aware you are better at it than they are anyway. 

So in summary you should do what I did and get rid of all of them and take control of your brand. You can hire hourly staff with bonus incentives to help you do your volume. This way you can control your brand. The day I went from having a ton of Agents to not having Agents was the greatest day in my career. Income took a small dip for like a year then went higher than it ever did with all the Agents who are really nothing more than a drag on a talented young Broker.

Anyways brother, that's my $.02, take it or leave it, but that's enough helping out the competition for me. I'll be going back to busting your balls and attempting to take away any shred of market share you have worked yourself into up in my neck of the woods.

 Not gonna lie, sounds like Wise advice.

 Everyone is now living in Zen 

[James Wise]

Quote from @Michael P.:

Quote from @James Wise:

Quote from @Jonathan Greene:

Here is the recording of me and @Remington Lyman discussing the issue like two fully grown adults.

https://fathom.video/share/MNscSw4vQsx65fmzexEsuTDk7CJB5QLU?...

 After watching this Remi is a lot less unlikeable than I thought. Actually seem like a pretty intelligent guy. Which leads me to my point and some unsolicited feedback for you Remi. No agenda, I don't like helping out the competition either, so this is probably the one and only time I will do anything other than try to cut you off at the knees.

My honest assessment on you after your interview is that you should fire all 38 of your agents. You remind me of me running HoltonWise like 7 years ago. Dunno the number, but had 70-80 Agents working for me at one point or another. I was miserable, just like you sound. Agents can't be controlled. They run around doing stupid stuff and hurt your good name. Hell, I realized I don't even think I've personally had a bad experience with you, but I don't like you. Why? Cuz of all these 20 years old's running around hurting your brand. 

You sound like you are caught up in the Agent count trap that I was caught up in. As a Broker we get caught up in all the commission we can earn from them but in today's game, what are these dorks getting from us? 90%+? It ain't worth it brother. What can these 20 year old's really do for you other than give you an ulcer? I imagine most leads that come into Reafco are generated from the brand and passed out to the Agents. Or if they are not, the only reason your Agents are getting BP leads themselves is because you are limiting your own posting so you can let them have the ball so to speak. But you, me, and everyone else is aware you are better at it than they are anyway. 

So in summary you should do what I did and get rid of all of them and take control of your brand. You can hire hourly staff with bonus incentives to help you do your volume. This way you can control your brand. The day I went from having a ton of Agents to not having Agents was the greatest day in my career. Income took a small dip for like a year then went higher than it ever did with all the Agents who are really nothing more than a drag on a talented young Broker.

Anyways brother, that's my $.02, take it or leave it, but that's enough helping out the competition for me. I'll be going back to busting your balls and attempting to take away any shred of market share you have worked yourself into up in my neck of the woods.

 Not gonna lie, sounds like Wise advice.

 That's the only advice I give playa.

[James Wise]

Quote from @Sam McCormack:

Quote from @Michael P.:

Quote from @James Wise:

Quote from @Jonathan Greene:

Here is the recording of me and @Remington Lyman discussing the issue like two fully grown adults.

https://fathom.video/share/MNscSw4vQsx65fmzexEsuTDk7CJB5QLU?...

 After watching this Remi is a lot less unlikeable than I thought. Actually seem like a pretty intelligent guy. Which leads me to my point and some unsolicited feedback for you Remi. No agenda, I don't like helping out the competition either, so this is probably the one and only time I will do anything other than try to cut you off at the knees.

My honest assessment on you after your interview is that you should fire all 38 of your agents. You remind me of me running HoltonWise like 7 years ago. Dunno the number, but had 70-80 Agents working for me at one point or another. I was miserable, just like you sound. Agents can't be controlled. They run around doing stupid stuff and hurt your good name. Hell, I realized I don't even think I've personally had a bad experience with you, but I don't like you. Why? Cuz of all these 20 years old's running around hurting your brand. 

You sound like you are caught up in the Agent count trap that I was caught up in. As a Broker we get caught up in all the commission we can earn from them but in today's game, what are these dorks getting from us? 90%+? It ain't worth it brother. What can these 20 year old's really do for you other than give you an ulcer? I imagine most leads that come into Reafco are generated from the brand and passed out to the Agents. Or if they are not, the only reason your Agents are getting BP leads themselves is because you are limiting your own posting so you can let them have the ball so to speak. But you, me, and everyone else is aware you are better at it than they are anyway. 

So in summary you should do what I did and get rid of all of them and take control of your brand. You can hire hourly staff with bonus incentives to help you do your volume. This way you can control your brand. The day I went from having a ton of Agents to not having Agents was the greatest day in my career. Income took a small dip for like a year then went higher than it ever did with all the Agents who are really nothing more than a drag on a talented young Broker.

Anyways brother, that's my $.02, take it or leave it, but that's enough helping out the competition for me. I'll be going back to busting your balls and attempting to take away any shred of market share you have worked yourself into up in my neck of the woods.

 Not gonna lie, sounds like Wise advice.

 Everyone is now living in Zen 

[Jonathan Greene]

Quote from @V.G Jason:

Quote from @Sam McCormack:

Quote from @Jonathan Greene:

Quote from @Sam McCormack:

Quote from @Jonathan Greene:

Quote from @Sam McCormack:

Quote from @Jonathan Greene:

Quote from @James Wise:

Quote from @Jonathan Greene:

Quote from @Sam McCormack:

Insane the amount of people upset about someone just advertising themselves/market. Oh yeah it gets annoying for sure, but hey, this post was made just to talk about Columbus? Hey doesn't sound like bad press to me!

Spectating is the best side to be on here, lol. I wish y'all the best in your head to head!

This is a terrible attitude about it. What happens is that new investors come in looking for someone who knows something, investors who know something, investors who invest themselves...but sometimes what they get is alleged investor-friendly agents who don't invest and don't work with investors much, but know other agents who do. So they use broad strokes to entice new people to talk to them, but they don't have the knowledge or expertise to do the job. The forums are not for advertising yourself or marketing, that is against the terms. They are for adding value and helping other people.

This is everything that this original post is about, but Cincinnati. Look at what the poster is asking for (invest anywhere in the US) and look at the response which is definitely considered self-promotion in the forum. It was a fair response until the last sentence about shooting him a message. This explains what is wrong. Stop asking for business and earn it.

 This is earning it. It isn't asking for business, it is reaching out to someone to earn their business. 

My question for you is why are you so upset about someone asking about connecting and trying to see if my market fits their needs?

If you are asking for business, you aren't earning it. It's online begging. Your sales record isn't terrible over the past two years, 13 sales. That's pretty good. You don't need to ask someone to connect and see if it's a fit. You need to provide an answer to their question without a connection request. I'm sure you DMd and you should not. But, you also have no online reviews from those 13 transactions - so what does that tell you? Either you are bad at follow-up with your clients and forget about them after closing or you don't think it's important. But the first place people will look is your Zillow profile.

 I normally don't request my clients leave me a review on BiggerPockets, I do it via my team. Close or no close, I call every one of my leads, closed or not, every 2 months to see how they are doing. And those 13 are this year so far, it doesn't seem like I have updated that recently enough. So to answer if I am bad at follow up or don't care about my clients, the answer is neither, thank you

I was talking about Zillow, not BiggerPockets. You have 13 closed sales and no reviews on Zillow. So, those 13 clients weren't impressed enough (or reminded) to write a review on the most public buyer site out there.

And no, they are not all this year. Zillow updates automatically now because it is tied to the MLS. You can't update them.

Look, you clearly are clueless about this, but not about real estate since you have sales. But you are like the new generation of real estate investors who only like pats on the back and can't take any criticism. You look worse every time you answer me so it would be best for your business to stop.

Two things come to mind when I read your response:

1. The Key and Peele Substitute Teacher skit where Mr. Garvey says "Oh, I see. You want to play?" If you keep responding, you will keep digging yourself a bigger hole. If you are up for that, let's go.

2. When an NBA player makes the too little sign after dunking on someone. This will keep happening. Stop yourself. Your post in the other forum was flagged and was grabby. Do better.

 Can you answer the message I sent you please? 

You're a kid. So take a lesson, from an elder.

Don't engage back, sometimes the most powerful instrument is silence. The world will go round and shape one's that push back. It always happens, maybe not today or tomorrow but it'll come. Trust me you don't go through no highs, without dealing with some lows. This dude is on a trip-- a power one thinking he's making a movement too. **** out of here with that thinking. 

Let him bark at you, just keep strolling by. Don't send him a message or engage in his ********. He thinks he's on top of something and degrading you, you don't give your time to folks that disrespect you. Give your time to the game. What you did is fine, it wasn't like the Columbus Cartel nonsense we see. Is it cringy, sure, but so is a lot of small elevator pitches. It is what it is. I ain't going to hate on it. 

Power trip in a forum? Good lord, you people take things too seriously and come to people's defense as if they have been offended in some way. I am giving all of the agents who do this a blueprint for success on BiggerPockets and a highlight to what could get them banned.

You must be someone who just likes to hop into the middle of things. You are only promoting participation trophies and rationalizing poor marketing. If they all just follow an easier path and stop spamming on posts or asking for business and focus on adding value only, they will get 5x the business.

[Jonathan Greene]

Quote from @James Wise:

Quote from @Jonathan Greene:

Here is the recording of me and @Remington Lyman discussing the issue like two fully grown adults.

https://fathom.video/share/MNscSw4vQsx65fmzexEsuTDk7CJB5QLU?...

 After watching this Remi is a lot less unlikeable than I thought. Actually seem like a pretty intelligent guy. Which leads me to my point and some unsolicited feedback for you Remi. No agenda, I don't like helping out the competition either, so this is probably the one and only time I will do anything other than try to cut you off at the knees.

My honest assessment on you after your interview is that you should fire all 38 of your agents. You remind me of me running HoltonWise like 7 years ago. Dunno the number, but had 70-80 Agents working for me at one point or another. I was miserable, just like you sound. Agents can't be controlled. They run around doing stupid stuff and hurt your good name. Hell, I realized I don't even think I've personally had a bad experience with you, but I don't like you. Why? Cuz of all these 20 years old's running around hurting your brand. 

You sound like you are caught up in the Agent count trap that I was caught up in. As a Broker we get caught up in all the commission we can earn from them but in today's game, what are these dorks getting from us? 90%+? It ain't worth it brother. What can these 20 year old's really do for you other than give you an ulcer? I imagine most leads that come into Reafco are generated from the brand and passed out to the Agents. Or if they are not, the only reason your Agents are getting BP leads themselves is because you are limiting your own posting so you can let them have the ball so to speak. But you, me, and everyone else is aware you are better at it than they are anyway. 

So in summary you should do what I did and get rid of all of them and take control of your brand. You can hire hourly staff with bonus incentives to help you do your volume. This way you can control your brand. The day I went from having a ton of Agents to not having Agents was the greatest day in my career. Income took a small dip for like a year then went higher than it ever did with all the Agents who are really nothing more than a drag on a talented young Broker.

Anyways brother, that's my $.02, take it or leave it, but that's enough helping out the competition for me. I'll be going back to busting your balls and attempting to take away any shred of market share you have worked yourself into up in my neck of the woods.

Yeah, I've been in touch with @Remington Lyman before and that's why I wanted to record it. I know he isn't a representation of what the current thought about his agents is. This is very good advice. Take my take too:

I ran a team, not a brokerage, of 50 agents. Early this year I fired all of them on the same day because I was doing the majority of the work, the didn't take training and coaching well, and the main thing was that their CAPACITY was tiny. They could only handle 1 or 2 clients at a time so the rest would go to crap. I didn't want them to tarnish my name or for me to have to clean up their messes anymore or just have to keep on them to do their job with my leads.

When you have people like @V.G Jason pop in and tell @Sam McCormack what he is doing is ok, that isn't helping. People like VG don't read anything and just look for more people to like them in the forums. If you read the original post and watch the video recording, I was never out to get ReafCo, I was providing sound coaching advice in a humourous fashion and it was backed by many, many people messaging me about them. I am trying to help. If you can't take criticism, you should quit all business and hide in the sand.

What to take from this post, which always goes bonkers when people try to play, is that there is a better way to do things on here and in turn, that will help these agents get better business and build a better reputation and not tarnish a whole company's profile because they spam.

[James Wise]

Quote from @Jonathan Greene:

Quote from @James Wise:

Quote from @Jonathan Greene:

Here is the recording of me and @Remington Lyman discussing the issue like two fully grown adults.

https://fathom.video/share/MNscSw4vQsx65fmzexEsuTDk7CJB5QLU?...

 After watching this Remi is a lot less unlikeable than I thought. Actually seem like a pretty intelligent guy. Which leads me to my point and some unsolicited feedback for you Remi. No agenda, I don't like helping out the competition either, so this is probably the one and only time I will do anything other than try to cut you off at the knees.

My honest assessment on you after your interview is that you should fire all 38 of your agents. You remind me of me running HoltonWise like 7 years ago. Dunno the number, but had 70-80 Agents working for me at one point or another. I was miserable, just like you sound. Agents can't be controlled. They run around doing stupid stuff and hurt your good name. Hell, I realized I don't even think I've personally had a bad experience with you, but I don't like you. Why? Cuz of all these 20 years old's running around hurting your brand. 

You sound like you are caught up in the Agent count trap that I was caught up in. As a Broker we get caught up in all the commission we can earn from them but in today's game, what are these dorks getting from us? 90%+? It ain't worth it brother. What can these 20 year old's really do for you other than give you an ulcer? I imagine most leads that come into Reafco are generated from the brand and passed out to the Agents. Or if they are not, the only reason your Agents are getting BP leads themselves is because you are limiting your own posting so you can let them have the ball so to speak. But you, me, and everyone else is aware you are better at it than they are anyway. 

So in summary you should do what I did and get rid of all of them and take control of your brand. You can hire hourly staff with bonus incentives to help you do your volume. This way you can control your brand. The day I went from having a ton of Agents to not having Agents was the greatest day in my career. Income took a small dip for like a year then went higher than it ever did with all the Agents who are really nothing more than a drag on a talented young Broker.

Anyways brother, that's my $.02, take it or leave it, but that's enough helping out the competition for me. I'll be going back to busting your balls and attempting to take away any shred of market share you have worked yourself into up in my neck of the woods.

Yeah, I've been in touch with @Remington Lyman before and that's why I wanted to record it. I know he isn't a representation of what the current thought about his agents is. This is very good advice. Take my take too:

I ran a team, not a brokerage, of 50 agents. Early this year I fired all of them on the same day because I was doing the majority of the work, the didn't take training and coaching well, and the main thing was that their CAPACITY was tiny. They could only handle 1 or 2 clients at a time so the rest would go to crap. I didn't want them to tarnish my name or for me to have to clean up their messes anymore or just have to keep on them to do their job with my leads.

When you have people like @V.G Jason pop in and tell @Sam McCormack what he is doing is ok, that isn't helping. People like VG don't read anything and just look for more people to like them in the forums. If you read the original post and watch the video recording, I was never out to get ReafCo, I was providing sound coaching advice in a humourous fashion and it was backed by many, many people messaging me about them. I am trying to help. If you can't take criticism, you should quit all business and hide in the sand.

What to take from this post, which always goes bonkers when people try to play, is that there is a better way to do things on here and in turn, that will help these agents get better business and build a better reputation and not tarnish a whole company's profile because they spam.

 Isn't firing all your Agents the greatest thing in the world? It's so freeing when you open your eyes to how much better your business can be without them lol. The only time I think about hiring back my Agents is so I can get the joy of firing them all again. Agents are not like other employees. Agents want you to support them like an employee, but they will never respect you as their boss. They quickly forget about the support you've given them and only look to edge you out of as much commission split as possible.

It's really a lose lose for small independent Brokers these days. The majority of your Agents will be trash, so you'll spend more time money and effort trying to get them to become productive Agents. Most will fail, and the few that succeed will quickly want a split like they can get at EXP or some other 100% brokerage...........Nooooo thanks bro. Especially in the investor game when physical property tours aren't really necessary to sell properties.